Quoting Benny Amorsen [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
SB == Stephen Bosch [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
SB Hi, folks: I remain intrigued by the gap in BRI implementation
SB between North America and Europe, and I wanted to get feedback
SB from the list members on the matter. I'm seriously considering
SB
The other thing that I was thinking is that I prefer PRI to analog so much
that I even if it cost a hundred bucks more a month, it's still attractive
to me.
All that tends to support our contention that there should be a market for
NA BRI support. You'd think many installations would
Has anyone got a PBX with spare BRI ports in it? Maybe that's a cheap way
to get started. We could just hook a box up to that and work out some of
the early stage stuff. I know that people with Polycom (and other)
video/teleconferencing equipment often have BRI cards in their Nortel PBX or
Maybe, but it will probably mean writing another driver just to provide
telco-side signalling -- or is it the same on each end?
No, I'm reasonably positive that there's a well defined user and network
side.
What's the deal with PRI cards? Can you run those back-to-back?
Yes, usually.
... JG
Quoting Joe Greco [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I've been in contact with a guy on ebay selling 4 port bri cards who
supplies a patched version of the driver that works with north
american signalling.
my suggestion would be for someone to just take the plunge and see if
it actually works properly and
Jon Pounder wrote:
http://www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/ENG/Orders/2007/o2007-56.pdf
some discouraging directions being taken by the idiots at the crtc.
Essentially laying the groundwork to phase out bri completely in
Canada, probably fcc has similar idiots making similar decisions as we
Hi
On Thu, Jul 05, 2007 at 03:34:38PM +0200, Frank Ochmann wrote:
List,
just my two cents here on BRI cards for Asterisk - sorry if the
following info was posted before/is redundant.
You will find the following BRI cards for Asterisk. Depending on the
chipset/Asterisk module they
Jeff Davis wrote:
If there was a driver available, I'm still not sure how many installs I
could sell. Verizon wants to pretend the service doesn't exist, and the
largest CLEC in my area doesn't even sell it. (I even offered to buy my
CLEC rep dinner and she wouldn't sell it to me.)
List,
just my two cents here on BRI cards for Asterisk - sorry if the
following info was posted before/is redundant.
You will find the following BRI cards for Asterisk. Depending on the
chipset/Asterisk module they will/will not support NT mode, have
different numbers of ports, scale well when
Quoting Frank Ochmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
List,
just my two cents here on BRI cards for Asterisk - sorry if the
following info was posted before/is redundant.
You will find the following BRI cards for Asterisk. Depending on the
chipset/Asterisk module they will/will not support NT mode,
Verizon wants to pretend the service doesn't exist
I don't know, they're advertising it:
http://www.verizonbusiness.com/us/voice/local/compare.xml#isdnbri
- Noah
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Jeff Davis wrote:
Stephen Bosch wrote:
Your rep at Sangoma? Or your reseller?
That wasn't very clear. Sorry. It was Sangoma.
(I would be more verbose, but I don't want to spam the list)
I just wanted to make sure it wasn't stale information.
This is a real chicken-and-egg problem. More
Noah Miller wrote:
Verizon wants to pretend the service doesn't exist
I don't know, they're advertising it:
http://www.verizonbusiness.com/us/voice/local/compare.xml#isdnbri
Sure, but when you call someone up to buy it it's a different story. Or
perhaps it was just Verizon's usual good
On 7/4/07, Jon Pounder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Quoting Darren Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I wonder if this is issue is largely limited to to Canada. (thus
limiting the market) In the states I think you can get PRI for around
$250. Am I right? In Canada, you have to have about 9 or 10
Quoting Stephen Bosch [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Jeff Davis wrote:
Stephen Bosch wrote:
Your rep at Sangoma? Or your reseller?
That wasn't very clear. Sorry. It was Sangoma.
(I would be more verbose, but I don't want to spam the list)
I just wanted to make sure it wasn't stale information.
This
Maybe I am looking at things too naively, but if all thats different
is the signalling standard is this really a monumental effort to make
a driver work with more than one standard ?
I assume you would have various line encodings to deal with just like
t1, so you have a driver layer that
Jon Pounder wrote:
most of the first level reps I have ever talked to in the last 10
years don't even know it exists, higher level people claim they don't
offer it, still higher level people know what you are talking about
when you say its tariffed and finally cave in to what you want.
On 7/5/07, Stephen Bosch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would be willing to help out with a driver, but without a line and
card I am not sure how productive that would be.
As I've already said, I can get one, and it's not a big deal, so I'll be
the test case.
-Stephen-
Ok, how about this for
Quoting Dave Donovan [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On 7/5/07, Stephen Bosch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would be willing to help out with a driver, but without a line and
card I am not sure how productive that would be.
As I've already said, I can get one, and it's not a big deal, so I'll be
the test
On 7/5/07, Dave Donovan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I wonder if we need piece of reference hardware. Imagine this scenario,
we order the circuit and Bell wants to turn it up. What do we turn up
with? It would be great if we had something that we could plug into it and
get that working just to
Jon Pounder wrote:
I have a bunch of old cisco stuff with BRI ports on it but it was
never meant for voice, just purely data, so I don't think its very
useful for this purpose, but some of the basic signalling could
probably be tested with it.
is exploring some sort of back to back
Quoting Jeff Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Jon Pounder wrote:
I have a bunch of old cisco stuff with BRI ports on it but it was
never meant for voice, just purely data, so I don't think its very
useful for this purpose, but some of the basic signalling could
probably be tested with it.
is
On Thu, 2007-07-05 at 15:08 -0400, Jon Pounder wrote:
Quoting Jeff Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Jon Pounder wrote:
I have a bunch of old cisco stuff with BRI ports on it but it was
never meant for voice, just purely data, so I don't think its very
useful for this purpose, but some of the
Dave Donovan wrote:
On 7/5/07, *Stephen Bosch* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would be willing to help out with a driver, but without a line and
card I am not sure how productive that would be.
As I've already said, I can get one, and it's not a big
Jon Pounder wrote:
I have a bunch of old cisco stuff with BRI ports on it but it was
never meant for voice, just purely data, so I don't think its very
useful for this purpose, but some of the basic signalling could
probably be tested with it.
is exploring some sort of back to back
Jeff Davis wrote:
I'm seeing ISDN phones on ebay for US $15-$40. Does anyone know if the
line simulator and a phone would work. Then get a BRI line when there's
a driver that looks like it works.
You'd think it would -- otherwise the line simulator is somewhat
pointless, isn't it?
I saw
David Boyd wrote:
I seem to remember that the wan Pipeline units supported BRI, and also
provided a couple of analog phone jacks. I will dig around in the
basement and try to find the one that I had, if I find it, who wants it
for play?
Well, whoever ends up with the simulator should get
Quoting Stephen Bosch [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Jon Pounder wrote:
I have a bunch of old cisco stuff with BRI ports on it but it was
never meant for voice, just purely data, so I don't think its very
useful for this purpose, but some of the basic signalling could
probably be tested with it.
is
On Thu, 2007-07-05 at 16:42 -0600, Stephen Bosch wrote:
David Boyd wrote:
I seem to remember that the wan Pipeline units supported BRI, and also
provided a couple of analog phone jacks. I will dig around in the
basement and try to find the one that I had, if I find it, who wants it
David Wrote:
On Thu, 2007-07-05 at 16:42 -0600, Stephen Bosch wrote:
David Boyd wrote:
I seem to remember that the wan Pipeline units supported BRI, and
also
provided a couple of analog phone jacks. I will dig around in the
basement and try to find the one that I had, if I find it, who
Quoting Dan Austin [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
anyone interested take a read of this listing
http://cgi.ebay.com/4x-BRI-ISDN-2B-D-Asterisk-like-Digium-B410P-VOIP_W0QQitemZ180135963254QQihZ008QQcategoryZ61841QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
I already did ask for details and mentioned that this thread was underway.
http://www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/ENG/Orders/2007/o2007-56.pdf
some discouraging directions being taken by the idiots at the crtc.
Essentially laying the groundwork to phase out bri completely in
Canada, probably fcc has similar idiots making similar decisions as we
discuss this.
Read the
Sorry I'm a little late to the thread but this question has puzzled me as
well. My key thing for me is hardware.
On 6/27/07, Joe Greco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thoughts? Who here has used BRI in North America? And when you did, what
interface hardware did you use?
Well, at the time, there
On Wed, 4 Jul 2007, Dave Donovan wrote:
Sorry I'm a little late to the thread but this question has puzzled me as
well. My key thing for me is hardware.
In the UK but ... Cheap BRI card...
http://www.tekheads.co.uk/s/product?product=604415gclid=CN6Qp6abjo0CFRDXEAodGHjJjQ
Whether it will
Has anyone else seen a working hardware solution that didn't cost an arm and
a leg? It seems to me that a BRI card should cost less than $100. I think
I remember a German friend telling me that they go for around $40 dollars.
I believe that there's no electrical difference.
I know that I
Sorry I'm a little late to the thread but this question has puzzled me as
well. My key thing for me is hardware.
In the UK but ... Cheap BRI card...
To use it in the US, you need it to support US signalling.
... JG
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Quoting Dave Donovan [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Sorry I'm a little late to the thread but this question has puzzled me as
well. My key thing for me is hardware.
I hear you loud and clear - I am in much the same situation.
from what I know about the cards (which isn't much) there are 2 types
just
Quoting Tzafrir Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Wed, Jul 04, 2007 at 11:05:52AM -0500, Joe Greco wrote:
Sorry I'm a little late to the thread but this question has
puzzled me as
well. My key thing for me is hardware.
In the UK but ... Cheap BRI card...
To use it in the US, you need
On Wed, Jul 04, 2007 at 11:05:52AM -0500, Joe Greco wrote:
Sorry I'm a little late to the thread but this question has puzzled me as
well. My key thing for me is hardware.
In the UK but ... Cheap BRI card...
To use it in the US, you need it to support US signalling.
What do they
Dave Donovan wrote:
Sorry I'm a little late to the thread but this question has puzzled me
as well. My key thing for me is hardware.
On 6/27/07, *Joe Greco* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Thoughts? Who here has used BRI in North America? And when you
did,
On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 12:46:35 -0400, Jon Pounder wrote:
Quoting Tzafrir Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Wed, Jul 04, 2007 at 11:05:52AM -0500, Joe Greco wrote:
Sorry I'm a little late to the thread but this question has
puzzled me as
well. My key thing for me is hardware.
In the UK
Jon Pounder wrote:
Quoting Tzafrir Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Wed, Jul 04, 2007 at 11:05:52AM -0500, Joe Greco wrote:
Sorry I'm a little late to the thread but this question has
puzzled me as
well. My key thing for me is hardware.
In the UK but ... Cheap BRI card...
To use it in the
Jon Pounder wrote:
Quoting Dave Donovan [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Sorry I'm a little late to the thread but this question has puzzled me as
well. My key thing for me is hardware.
I hear you loud and clear - I am in much the same situation.
from what I know about the cards (which isn't much)
On Wed, Jul 04, 2007 at 12:46:35PM -0400, Jon Pounder wrote:
Quoting Tzafrir Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Wed, Jul 04, 2007 at 11:05:52AM -0500, Joe Greco wrote:
Sorry I'm a little late to the thread but this question has
puzzled me as
well. My key thing for me is hardware.
Quoting Stephen Bosch [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
http://www.sangoma.com/datasheets/A500BRI
is that the card you mean ?
it says it supports asterisk
Dave Donovan wrote:
Sorry I'm a little late to the thread but this question has puzzled me
as well. My key thing for me is hardware.
On 6/27/07,
Quoting Tzafrir Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Wed, Jul 04, 2007 at 12:46:35PM -0400, Jon Pounder wrote:
Quoting Tzafrir Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Wed, Jul 04, 2007 at 11:05:52AM -0500, Joe Greco wrote:
Sorry I'm a little late to the thread but this question has
puzzled me as
well.
Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
On Wed, Jul 04, 2007 at 12:46:35PM -0400, Jon Pounder wrote:
Quoting Tzafrir Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Wed, Jul 04, 2007 at 11:05:52AM -0500, Joe Greco wrote:
Sorry I'm a little late to the thread but this question has
puzzled me as
well. My key thing for me is
Jon Pounder wrote:
Quoting Stephen Bosch [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
http://www.sangoma.com/datasheets/A500BRI
is that the card you mean ?
it says it supports asterisk
Yes, that's the card I mean and yes, it supports Asterisk.
The problem: I have been told -- again, this is tentative -- that
On 7/4/07, Tzafrir Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, Jul 04, 2007 at 12:46:35PM -0400, Jon Pounder wrote:
Quoting Tzafrir Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Wed, Jul 04, 2007 at 11:05:52AM -0500, Joe Greco wrote:
Sorry I'm a little late to the thread but this question has
puzzled me as
Quoting Stephen Bosch [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Jon Pounder wrote:
Quoting Stephen Bosch [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
http://www.sangoma.com/datasheets/A500BRI
is that the card you mean ?
it says it supports asterisk
Yes, that's the card I mean and yes, it supports Asterisk.
The problem: I have been
Quoting Stephen Bosch [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Jon Pounder wrote:
Quoting Stephen Bosch [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
http://www.sangoma.com/datasheets/A500BRI
is that the card you mean ?
it says it supports asterisk
Yes, that's the card I mean and yes, it supports Asterisk.
The problem: I have been
Jon Pounder wrote:
Quoting Stephen Bosch [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Jon Pounder wrote:
Quoting Stephen Bosch [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
http://www.sangoma.com/datasheets/A500BRI
is that the card you mean ?
it says it supports asterisk
Yes, that's the card I mean and yes, it supports Asterisk.
The
On 7/4/07, Jon Pounder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think if Sangoma heard from enough interested North American users,
they would write the driver.
doesn't it seem strange they went to the trouble to get the fcc
certification (as per their site) if it doesn't understand the north
american
I wonder if this is issue is largely limited to to Canada. (thus
limiting the market) In the states I think you can get PRI for around
$250. Am I right? In Canada, you have to have about 9 or 10 lines to
justify a PRI. At $250, the cost and added features could justify PRI
at around 4 lines.
Quoting Darren Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I wonder if this is issue is largely limited to to Canada. (thus
limiting the market) In the states I think you can get PRI for around
$250. Am I right? In Canada, you have to have about 9 or 10 lines to
justify a PRI. At $250, the cost and added
Jon Pounder wrote:
Quoting Stephen Bosch [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Jon Pounder wrote:
Quoting Stephen Bosch [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
http://www.sangoma.com/datasheets/A500BRI
is that the card you mean ?
it says it supports asterisk
Yes, that's the card I mean and yes, it supports Asterisk.
The
Jeff Davis wrote:
Jon Pounder wrote:
If someone already has a customer relationship with them, ask straight
out does it work in US/Canada with the BRI available here with asterisk.
I just got off the phone with my sales rep. It appears I'm the third
person today to ask about this. (I
Stephen Bosch wrote:
Your rep at Sangoma? Or your reseller?
That wasn't very clear. Sorry. It was Sangoma.
(I would be more verbose, but I don't want to spam the list)
This is a real chicken-and-egg problem. More people would get BRI if
there were affordable hardware for it.
I would like
SB == Stephen Bosch [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
SB Hi, folks: I remain intrigued by the gap in BRI implementation
SB between North America and Europe, and I wanted to get feedback
SB from the list members on the matter. I'm seriously considering
SB making the leap in our office.
BRI is being
you would think the telcos would be more interested in selling this to
small/medium businesses that are not ready for a voice pri but it
Since when to the telcos have the consumer's best interest in mind? They can
sell you a PRI at full loop cost with a smaller number of channels in the
Jeremy Mann wrote:
you would think the telcos would be more interested in selling this
to small/medium businesses that are not ready for a voice pri but
it
Since when to the telcos have the consumer's best interest in mind?
They can sell you a PRI at full loop cost with a smaller number of
Quoting Stephen Bosch [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Jeremy Mann wrote:
you would think the telcos would be more interested in selling this
to small/medium businesses that are not ready for a voice pri but
it
Since when to the telcos have the consumer's best interest in mind?
They can sell you a PRI
At 02:37 PM 6/28/2007, you wrote:
SB == Stephen Bosch [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
SB Hi, folks: I remain intrigued by the gap in BRI implementation
SB between North America and Europe, and I wanted to get feedback
SB from the list members on the matter. I'm seriously considering
SB making the
Hi, folks:
I remain intrigued by the gap in BRI implementation between North
America and Europe, and I wanted to get feedback from the list members
on the matter. I'm seriously considering making the leap in our office.
In Europe, the idea that an office that does not have enough lines to
On Wed, 2007-06-27 at 14:32 -0600, Stephen Bosch wrote:
Hi, folks:
Snip
Thoughts? Who here has used BRI in North America? And when you did, what
interface hardware did you use?
-Stephen-
I grew up on BRI when the internet first started taking off here. All
terminated into Ascend
Greg Oliver wrote:
On Wed, 2007-06-27 at 14:32 -0600, Stephen Bosch wrote:
Hi, folks:
Snip
Thoughts? Who here has used BRI in North America? And when you did, what
interface hardware did you use?
-Stephen-
I grew up on BRI when the internet first started taking off here. All
On Wed, Jun 27, 2007 at 03:49:57PM -0500, Greg Oliver wrote:
With that said, the equipment to provision BRI on a class 5 switch here
is another story. If the building they are delivering to does not have
the right DLC cards, etc - it is usually chaeper for them to send a DS1
and pull 2 analog
Voice BRI is scarcely advertised. In these parts, Telus does indeed
offer it. (I had to know what I was looking for, though.)
BRI is a service the telcos would like to forget about here in the US.
We ordered it at the house because we're sufficiently near a radio
station that we tend to get
with strange needs and other then that the equipment was left alone.
;-)
-James
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Greco
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 4:43 PM
To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] North American voice
Thanks for the response, Joe.
Joe Greco wrote:
Voice BRI is scarcely advertised. In these parts, Telus does indeed
offer it. (I had to know what I was looking for, though.)
BRI is a service the telcos would like to forget about here in the US.
We ordered it at the house because we're
Thanks for the response, Joe.
n/p. I figure I'm probably one of a small number of people with such a
taste for suffering at the hands of the telco.
Yeah -- as I mentioned, it's not like the Canadian telcos are announcing
it from the rooftops, either.
We had some CLEC's offering it for a
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