Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Re: Digium Website Update: Asterisk Business Edition

2005-06-13 Thread Esben Stien
Andrew Kohlsmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ABE is a VERY SPECIFIC version of HEAD (or is it STABLE?) with features CUT OUT and nothing added that isn't in HEAD already. This is what I mean with a custom set of features. I never claimed anything was added. I totally fail to see the problem

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Re: Digium Website Update: Asterisk Business Edition

2005-06-12 Thread trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com
On Sat, 2005-06-11 at 13:47 -0700, Daryll Strauss wrote: On Sat, 2005-06-11 at 13:10 -0700, trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com wrote: Look at 'big evil corporations' like apple. They did in a year with mach what the FSF/GNU wants to do with HURD and still cant (to quote stallman 'its

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Re: Digium Website Update: Asterisk Business Edition

2005-06-12 Thread trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com
On Sat, 2005-06-11 at 18:02 -0400, Andrew Kohlsmith wrote: On Saturday 11 June 2005 16:10, trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com wrote: I have seen more people on this list freak out if people but non digium hardware to run their asterisk box (usually at a substantial price discount). People

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Re: Digium Website Update: Asterisk Business Edition

2005-06-12 Thread trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com
On Sat, 2005-06-11 at 18:04 -0400, Andrew Kohlsmith wrote: On Saturday 11 June 2005 16:21, trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com wrote: The GPL does not extend to the hardware or software that Asterisk talks to. For example, if you are using a SIP soft phone as a client for Asterisk, it is not

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Re: Digium Website Update: Asterisk Business Edition

2005-06-12 Thread snacktime
No, but there was some talk about exactly what linking refers to. If you develop a 3rd party .so that asterisk loads, it does fall under the GPL; you can't make a wowie-gee CDR or call routing module and license it any way you please. That really depends. Generally the gpl works the

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Re: Digium Website Update: Asterisk Business Edition

2005-06-12 Thread Bob Goddard
On Sunday 12 Jun 2005 08:56, trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com wrote: On Sat, 2005-06-11 at 13:47 -0700, Daryll Strauss wrote: On Sat, 2005-06-11 at 13:10 -0700, trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com wrote: Look at 'big evil corporations' like apple. They did in a year with mach what the

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Re: Digium Website Update: Asterisk Business Edition

2005-06-12 Thread Mark Charlton
On 6/12/05, Bob Goddard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're fairly off base with that paragraph. you're fairly stupid. You are the one who is fairly stupid. This thread is getting so OT and overall generally stupid its time it died a gracious death, please... Granted there are

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Re: Digium Website Update: Asterisk Business Edition

2005-06-12 Thread trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com
On Sun, 2005-06-12 at 15:06 +0100, Bob Goddard wrote: On Sunday 12 Jun 2005 08:56, trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com wrote: On Sat, 2005-06-11 at 13:47 -0700, Daryll Strauss wrote: On Sat, 2005-06-11 at 13:10 -0700, trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com wrote: Look at 'big evil

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Re: Digium Website Update: Asterisk Business Edition

2005-06-12 Thread Bob Goddard
On Sunday 12 Jun 2005 16:10, trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com wrote: On Sun, 2005-06-12 at 15:06 +0100, Bob Goddard wrote: On Sunday 12 Jun 2005 08:56, trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com wrote: On Sat, 2005-06-11 at 13:47 -0700, Daryll Strauss wrote: On Sat, 2005-06-11 at 13:10 -0700,

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Re: Digium Website Update: Asterisk Business Edition

2005-06-12 Thread Sahil Gupta
Take this off list please.. Regards, Sahil Gupta VoiceValley On Sun, 12 Jun 2005, Bob Goddard wrote: On Sunday 12 Jun 2005 16:10, trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com wrote: On Sun, 2005-06-12 at 15:06 +0100, Bob Goddard wrote: On Sunday 12 Jun 2005 08:56, trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Re: Digium Website Update: Asterisk Business Edition

2005-06-12 Thread trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com
On Sun, 2005-06-12 at 17:01 +0100, Bob Goddard wrote: For the last time, Apple took a ready written O/S in FreeBSD, the FSF are doing effectively a full rewrite of FreeBSD. A year my arse. Few people are working on Hurd where as with *BSD and Linux they are a cast of thousands. Glad that its

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Re: Digium Website Update: Asterisk Business Edition

2005-06-12 Thread Brian Capouch
Daryll Strauss wrote: I'm not comfortable with Digiums policy of having to sign over my code to them. Although I've seen no signs of malice on their part, it just doesn't sit right with me. I write code for a living, and if companies are involved I expect to be paid for it. I can chose to

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Re: Digium Website Update: Asterisk Business Edition

2005-06-12 Thread Jason Becker
Brian Capouch wrote: As I have been reading this thread one missing angle that perhaps should be addressed by those who are bothered by the current licensing scheme is this: what alternative means exist out there for Digium to try to ensure their corporate existence? We can all see that in

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Re: Digium Website Update: Asterisk Business Edition

2005-06-12 Thread Esben Stien
Brian Capouch [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: what alternative means exist out there for Digium to try to ensure their corporate existence? They already stated that the proprietary version, if I'm not mistaken, is nothing but the free version, but with a custom set of features that fits their

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Re: Digium Website Update: Asterisk Business Edition

2005-06-12 Thread trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com
On Sun, 2005-06-12 at 22:27 +0200, Esben Stien wrote: Brian Capouch [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: what alternative means exist out there for Digium to try to ensure their corporate existence? They already stated that the proprietary version, if I'm not mistaken, is nothing but the free

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Re: Digium Website Update: Asterisk Business Edition

2005-06-12 Thread Andrew Kohlsmith
On Sunday 12 June 2005 04:14, trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com wrote: Really. So if I use a non GPL libc I cant run asterisk? Interesting that its so parasitic that you will either be assimilated or not. I however dont think that is the case. Modules, yes they are considered derritave

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Re: Digium Website Update: Asterisk Business Edition

2005-06-12 Thread Andrew Kohlsmith
On Sunday 12 June 2005 16:27, Esben Stien wrote: They already stated that the proprietary version, if I'm not mistaken, is nothing but the free version, but with a custom set of features that fits their support plan. Not really. ABE is a VERY SPECIFIC version of HEAD (or is it STABLE?) with

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Re: Digium Website Update: Asterisk Business Edition

2005-06-12 Thread Steve Wolfe
Again, I totally fail to see the problem here. See the ubuntu distro site for more on why this can be seen as a problem and conflict of interest. http://www.ubuntu.com/ I cannot find the exact quote now, but the idea that Mark Shuttleworth mentions is that if ubuntu shipped a slick

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Re: Digium Website Update: Asterisk Business Edition

2005-06-11 Thread trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com
On Sat, 2005-06-11 at 15:09 -0400, Aidan Van Dyk wrote: Most people haven't had a problem with that, because, in the past, Digium has been a benevolent keeper-of-the-code, not a direct competitor to the contributors. But that Digium is directly competing with what others are trying to

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Re: Digium Website Update: Asterisk Business Edition

2005-06-11 Thread trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com
Curious as to why there is any problem in general, I went to google and started hunting the license information. I found a couple of resources they all say basically the same thing, all are on digiums site. I cant understand why there is any sort of problem. There are 2 licenses they sell, one

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Re: Digium Website Update: Asterisk Business Edition

2005-06-11 Thread Daryll Strauss
Digium is taking a some more equal than others sort of approach to Asterisk. They figure that since they developed the base code, they deserve a privileged position in the food chain, where they can do things with the code that others can't. That is absolutely their right, but I've never liked

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Re: Digium Website Update: Asterisk Business Edition

2005-06-11 Thread Daryll Strauss
On Sat, 2005-06-11 at 13:10 -0700, trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com wrote: Look at 'big evil corporations' like apple. They did in a year with mach what the FSF/GNU wants to do with HURD and still cant (to quote stallman 'its really hard' while explaining why after 10 years HURD still doesnt

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Re: Digium Website Update: Asterisk Business Edition

2005-06-11 Thread Zoa
just a small sidenote: digium does not sell ss7 licenses, thats someone else doing that. trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com wrote: On Sat, 2005-06-11 at 15:09 -0400, Aidan Van Dyk wrote: Most people haven't had a problem with that, because, in the past, Digium has been a benevolent

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Re: Digium Website Update: Asterisk Business Edition

2005-06-11 Thread Andrew Kohlsmith
On Saturday 11 June 2005 16:10, trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com wrote: I have seen more people on this list freak out if people but non digium hardware to run their asterisk box (usually at a substantial price discount). People on this list have actually freaked out that someone would dare

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Re: Digium Website Update: Asterisk Business Edition

2005-06-11 Thread Andrew Kohlsmith
On Saturday 11 June 2005 16:21, trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com wrote: The GPL does not extend to the hardware or software that Asterisk talks to. For example, if you are using a SIP soft phone as a client for Asterisk, it is not a requirement that that program also be distributed under GPL.