Re: [asterisk-users] FXO Cards - T38

2008-02-27 Thread Thomas Kenyon
Fernando Berretta wrote: Tzafir, I'm sorry, my question wasn't clear. Apparently Asterisk 1.6.0b2 and b4 has support for t38 because of some modifications on app_fax so the questions are: 1 - If I use Asterisk 1.6.0b2 o b4 and a fax is received from a FXO Card and this FXO port is

Re: [asterisk-users] FXO Cards - T38

2008-02-27 Thread Fernando Berretta
I haven't tried all of them but.. at least Linksys ATA AdminGuide doesn't specify such limitation FAX Enable T38 To enable the use of the ITU-T T.38 standard for faxing, select yes. Otherwise, select no. The default is yes Thomas Kenyon wrote: Fernando Berretta wrote: Tzafir, I'm

Re: [asterisk-users] FXO Cards - T38

2008-02-26 Thread zoa
T.38 will not work with the fxo card. Zoa Fernando Berretta wrote: Dear All, Are you telling me Asterisk 1.6.0b2/4 has support for t38 and rxfax etc. and will be able to receive faxes and negotiate with voip CPE's like ATA's to transmit faxes which comes from FXO cards to VoIP Devices

Re: [asterisk-users] FXO Cards - T38

2008-02-26 Thread Steve Underwood
Benny Amorsen wrote: Steve Underwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Try reading the GPL and the FSF's interpretation of it. If things are running in the same address space as my code, they need to be GPL compatible, or I am likely to take action. The GPL is not an EULA. You don't

Re: [asterisk-users] FXO Cards - T38

2008-02-26 Thread Fernando Berretta
Tzafir, I'm sorry, my question wasn't clear. Apparently Asterisk 1.6.0b2 and b4 has support for t38 because of some modifications on app_fax so the questions are: 1 - If I use Asterisk 1.6.0b2 o b4 and a fax is received from a FXO Card and this FXO port is forwarded to other ATA/Gateway is

Re: [asterisk-users] FXO Cards - T38

2008-02-26 Thread Steve Underwood
zoa wrote: T.38 will not work with the fxo card. Zoa That statement is a bit vague. What has been put in add-ons so far is only support for T.38 termination. Not T.38 gateway operation. Steve Fernando Berretta wrote: Dear All, Are you telling me Asterisk 1.6.0b2/4 has support for

Re: [asterisk-users] FXO Cards - T38

2008-02-26 Thread Fernando Berretta
Thanks for clarify.. so Asterisk will be able to receive faxes which comes from a Gateway using t38 but will not be able to relay faxes which comes from PSTN through a FXO card to other Gateway using t38 can this version of app_fax be used with Asterisk 1.4x ? Steve Underwood wrote: zoa

Re: [asterisk-users] FXO Cards - T38

2008-02-26 Thread zoa
Fernando Berretta wrote: Tzafir, I'm sorry, my question wasn't clear. Apparently Asterisk 1.6.0b2 and b4 has support for t38 because of some modifications on app_fax so the questions are: 1 - If I use Asterisk 1.6.0b2 o b4 and a fax is received from a FXO Card and this FXO port is

Re: [asterisk-users] FXO Cards - T38

2008-02-25 Thread Fernando Berretta
Dear All, Are you telling me Asterisk 1.6.0b2/4 has support for t38 and rxfax etc. and will be able to receive faxes and negotiate with voip CPE's like ATA's to transmit faxes which comes from FXO cards to VoIP Devices using T38 ? it is possible to compile this version of app_fax to work with

Re: [asterisk-users] FXO Cards - T38

2008-02-25 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 05:32:24PM -0300, Fernando Berretta wrote: Dear All, Are you telling me Asterisk 1.6.0b2/4 has support for t38 and rxfax etc. and will be able to receive faxes and negotiate with voip CPE's like ATA's to transmit faxes which comes from FXO cards to VoIP Devices

Re: [asterisk-users] FXO Cards - T38

2008-02-24 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 04:35:35PM +1100, Rob Hillis wrote: Your original comment was that you cannot use T.38 and G.729 in Asterisk at the same time. On a technical level, this is /not/ true, especially if the T.38 implementation does not rely on SpanDSP. (whether or not such an

Re: [asterisk-users] FXO Cards - T38

2008-02-24 Thread Steve Underwood
Rob Hillis wrote: T.38 is for all intents and purposes a codec. It's purpose is to re-encode a fax transmission as a data stream to be re-assembled at the other end as if it were a fax call. Seems to me to be pretty close to the definition of a codec to me. T.38 is not a simple

Re: [asterisk-users] FXO Cards - T38

2008-02-24 Thread Rob Hillis
Tzafrir Cohen wrote: I'm also curious as to why you assert that using G.729 in Asterisk (/not/ ABE) at the same time as a T.38 implementation that relies on SpanDSP since these are two completely separate plugins that are installed and acquired separately. They are not installed

Re: [asterisk-users] FXO Cards - T38

2008-02-24 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 08:25:15PM +1100, Rob Hillis wrote: Tzafrir Cohen wrote: I'm also curious as to why you assert that using G.729 in Asterisk (/not/ ABE) at the same time as a T.38 implementation that relies on SpanDSP since these are two completely separate plugins that are

Re: [asterisk-users] FXO Cards - T38

2008-02-24 Thread Thomas Kenyon
Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 08:25:15PM +1100, Rob Hillis wrote: To my mind, this is a ridiculous situation and needlessly limiting. It goes from the ridiculous IP extremes of companies such as Microsoft to the other end of the scale. IP is the Internet Protocol. We're

Re: [asterisk-users] FXO Cards - T38

2008-02-24 Thread Benny Amorsen
Steve Underwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Try reading the GPL and the FSF's interpretation of it. If things are running in the same address space as my code, they need to be GPL compatible, or I am likely to take action. The GPL is not an EULA. You don't have to agree to it to use the

Re: [asterisk-users] FXO Cards - T38

2008-02-23 Thread Rob Hillis
T.38 is a codec in exactly the same way that GSM or G.729 is a codec, so yes it /can/ be used at the same time as any other codec - just that only /one/ codec will be used at a time. What often happens is that the call will initially be established with a codec such as G.729 or G.711a, but once

Re: [asterisk-users] FXO Cards - T38

2008-02-23 Thread Michelle Dupuis
Will the built-in T.38 support eliminate the need for spandsp? I'm curious how this will affect iaxmodem. MD _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob Hillis Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 7:12 AM To: Asterisk Users List Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] FXO

Re: [asterisk-users] FXO Cards - T38

2008-02-23 Thread Steve Underwood
T.38 is not a codec. A codec has one input and one output. T.38 is an interactive protocol. This, however, has nothing to do with what I said. If you use G.729 in the same asterisk as my spandsp library, you are breaking my licence conditions. Steve Rob Hillis wrote: T.38 is a codec in

Re: [asterisk-users] FXO Cards - T38

2008-02-23 Thread Thomas Kenyon
Steve Underwood wrote: I thought * was still not capable for T.38 gateway operation. Doesn't beta 4 just added T.38 termination? And, I believe it misses out some key elements of doing that properly. Note that T.38 termination is an addon, so it can't be used with, say, G.729. The only

Re: [asterisk-users] FXO Cards - T38

2008-02-23 Thread Thomas Kenyon
Michelle Dupuis wrote: Will the built-in T.38 support eliminate the need for spandsp? I'm curious how this will affect iaxmodem. Why on earth would you want to eliminiate spandsp? (which app_fax from asterisk addons appears to use). ___ --

Re: [asterisk-users] FXO Cards - T38

2008-02-23 Thread Thomas Kenyon
Steve Underwood wrote: T.38 is not a codec. A codec has one input and one output. T.38 is an interactive protocol. This, however, has nothing to do with what I said. If you use G.729 in the same asterisk as my spandsp library, you are breaking my licence conditions. Steve I should hope

Re: [asterisk-users] FXO Cards - T38

2008-02-23 Thread Zoa
I think you are missing something. Steve means that since its in add-ons its probably a GPL addition and not compatible with the g729 licensing. A t.38 gateway involves more than origination and termination, those 2 are pretty easy and do not involve any modems, the gatewaying is the harder

Re: [asterisk-users] FXO Cards - T38

2008-02-23 Thread Michelle Dupuis
Users List Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] FXO Cards - T38 Michelle Dupuis wrote: Will the built-in T.38 support eliminate the need for spandsp? I'm curious how this will affect iaxmodem. Why on earth would you want to eliminiate spandsp? (which app_fax from asterisk addons appears

Re: [asterisk-users] FXO Cards - T38

2008-02-23 Thread Thomas Kenyon
Michelle Dupuis wrote: Wow, an answer phrased in the form of a flame... A more supportive tone might actually encourage the Asterisk userbase to grow! Okay, if you really want a more constructive answer. The addition to asterisk was an API change to allow app_fax from asterisk-addons to

Re: [asterisk-users] FXO Cards - T38

2008-02-23 Thread Rob Hillis
About the only reason for eliminating SpanDSP is compatibility with the GPL license. Remember that /any/ feature added to the free version of Asterisk is going to be added to ABE as well - ergo, the licensing of any libraries required need to be compatible with a /non/-open source license.

Re: [asterisk-users] FXO Cards - T38

2008-02-23 Thread Rob Hillis
T.38 is for all intents and purposes a codec. It's purpose is to re-encode a fax transmission as a data stream to be re-assembled at the other end as if it were a fax call. Seems to me to be pretty close to the definition of a codec to me. Your original comment was that you cannot use T.38 and

Re: [asterisk-users] FXO Cards - T38

2008-02-22 Thread Rob Hillis
Not unless you're running CallWeaver or Asterisk 1.6.0-beta4. Asterisk has had passthrough support for T.38 for a while (somewhere in 1.4 it became available IIRC) but is currently completely incapable of terminating or encoding a fax call to T.38. The only real option available at the moment

Re: [asterisk-users] FXO Cards - T38

2008-02-22 Thread Steve Underwood
Rob Hillis wrote: Not unless you're running CallWeaver or Asterisk 1.6.0-beta4. Asterisk has had passthrough support for T.38 for a while (somewhere in 1.4 it became available IIRC) but is currently completely incapable of terminating or encoding a fax call to T.38. I thought * was