Re: [asterisk-users] Users list email totals by year .

2012-12-30 Thread Norbert Zawodsky

Am 30.12.2012 04:24, schrieb Jeff LaCoursiere:

On 12/29/2012 05:20 PM, Mr. James W. Laferriere wrote:


2003, 24471
2004, 48608
2005, 59116
2006, 41215
2007, 26414
2008, 20746
2009, 18304
2010, 14948
2011, 11588
2012, 7542



If you remove the top-posting thread, it may cut it in half again.

j


Yes. At least in half !! ;-)

N.

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[asterisk-users] Problem with Speex codec

2012-12-30 Thread Richard Kenner
I'm trying to convert from MeetMe to Confbridge and one part of that is
handling the ending of a conference.  So I'm taking the suggestion of
originating a call to the conference and doing:

 same = n,Playback(conf-will-end-indigits/${WTIME}minutes)

That crashes Asterisk (with no core dump!) in the default configuration.

When I run it manually, I see the error message:

Fatal (internal) error in kiss_fft.c, line 294: KissFFT: max radix supported is 
17

If I unload module codec_speex.so, everything works.  If I playback files
other than conf-will-end, it also works.

Two questions:

(1) Why is that codec being used in the first place?
(2) Why it is generating that error when it is?

This the Asterisk 10.7.1 release.

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[asterisk-users] hanguptimeout option in asterisk 1.8

2012-12-30 Thread NassimAbedi
Hi ,
I have a problem with h and t option in asterisk 1.8 .
They don't work.

Option h and t don't work in following macro and in this macro
DeadAGI never run ?!

What is problem?!
any idea?



[macro-vt-record]
include = macro-vt-record-custom
exten = s,1,ExecIf(${ARG4} != ]?SET(TIMEOUT(absolute)=2))
exten =
s,n,Set(VTRECORDNAME=/tmp/voiceticket_${CALLERID(num)}-${CUT(UNIQUEID,\.,1)}-${CUT(UNIQUEID,\.,2)})
exten = s,n,Set(RECORDTICKET=)
exten = s,n,Set(ACTION=${ARG1})
exten = s,n,Set(QUEUENUM=${ARG2})
exten = s,n,Set(BEFORERECORDEDTIME=${STRFTIME(${EPOCH}||%Y-%m-%d
%H:%M:%S)})
exten = s,n,Record(${VTRECORDNAME}:wav)
exten =
s,n(saveticket),DeadAGI(pp-voiceticket.php,${ACTION},${VTRECORDNAME}.wav,${QUEUENUM},${BEFORERECORDEDTIME})
exten = T,1,Goto(macro-vt-record,s,saveticket)
exten = t,1,Goto(macro-vt-record,s,saveticket)
exten = t,n,Noop(hangup situation is not work yet)
exten = h,1,Goto(macro-vt-record,s,saveticket)


I saw these log when run this macro and hangup or timeout :


- Executing [s@voiceticket_customer-1:3] Macro(SIP/102-009f,
vt-record,add,0,vt-13-say-q,300,) in new stack
-- Executing [s@macro-vt-record:1] ExecIf(SIP/102-009f, 300 !=
]?SET(TIMEOUT(absolute)=2)) in new stack
Channel will hangup at 2012-12-30 16:54:13.195 IRST.
-- Executing [s@macro-vt-record:2] Set(SIP/102-009f,
VTRECORDNAME=/tmp/voiceticket_102-1356873840-195) in new stack
-- Executing [s@macro-vt-record:3] Set(SIP/102-009f,
RECORDTICKET=) in new stack
-- Executing [s@macro-vt-record:4] Set(SIP/102-009f,
ACTION=add) in new stack
-- Executing [s@macro-vt-record:5] Set(SIP/102-009f,
QUEUENUM=0) in new stack
-- Executing [s@macro-vt-record:6] Set(SIP/102-009f,
BEFORERECORDEDTIME=Sun Dec 30 16:54:11 2012) in new stack
-- Executing [s@macro-vt-record:7] Record(SIP/102-009f,
/tmp/voiceticket_102-1356873840-195:wav) in new stack
-- SIP/102-009f Playing 'beep.slin' (language 'en')
  == Spawn extension (macro-vt-record, s, 7) exited non-zero on
'SIP/102-009f' in macro 'vt-record'
  == Spawn extension (voiceticket_customer-1, s, 3) exited non-zero on
'SIP/102-009f'



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Re: [asterisk-users] hanguptimeout option in asterisk 1.8

2012-12-30 Thread Eric Wieling
In a condition (i.e. not using Set) when you put quotes on one side of the = 
sign, then you need to put it on the other side of the = sign as well.

ExecIf(${ARG4} != ]?

I don't know if this is your specific problem, but if you don't fix it, it will 
come back and bite you later.

I suspect jumping to h is handled by app_dial, so it may not work in IVRs.  

-Original Message-
From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com 
[mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of NassimAbedi
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 9:59 AM
To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com
Subject: [asterisk-users] hanguptimeout option in asterisk 1.8

Hi ,
I have a problem with h and t option in asterisk 1.8 .
They don't work.

Option h and t don't work in following macro and in this macro DeadAGI 
never run ?!

What is problem?!
any idea?



[macro-vt-record]
include = macro-vt-record-custom
exten = s,1,ExecIf(${ARG4} != ]?SET(TIMEOUT(absolute)=2)) exten = 
s,n,Set(VTRECORDNAME=/tmp/voiceticket_${CALLERID(num)}-${CUT(UNIQUEID,\.,1)}-${CUT(UNIQUEID,\.,2)})
exten = s,n,Set(RECORDTICKET=)
exten = s,n,Set(ACTION=${ARG1})
exten = s,n,Set(QUEUENUM=${ARG2})
exten = s,n,Set(BEFORERECORDEDTIME=${STRFTIME(${EPOCH}||%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S)}) 
exten = s,n,Record(${VTRECORDNAME}:wav) exten = 
s,n(saveticket),DeadAGI(pp-voiceticket.php,${ACTION},${VTRECORDNAME}.wav,${QUEUENUM},${BEFORERECORDEDTIME})
exten = T,1,Goto(macro-vt-record,s,saveticket)
exten = t,1,Goto(macro-vt-record,s,saveticket)
exten = t,n,Noop(hangup situation is not work yet) exten = 
h,1,Goto(macro-vt-record,s,saveticket)


I saw these log when run this macro and hangup or timeout : 


- Executing [s@voiceticket_customer-1:3] Macro(SIP/102-009f, 
vt-record,add,0,vt-13-say-q,300,) in new stack
-- Executing [s@macro-vt-record:1] ExecIf(SIP/102-009f, 300 != 
]?SET(TIMEOUT(absolute)=2)) in new stack Channel will hangup at 2012-12-30 
16:54:13.195 IRST.
-- Executing [s@macro-vt-record:2] Set(SIP/102-009f, 
VTRECORDNAME=/tmp/voiceticket_102-1356873840-195) in new stack
-- Executing [s@macro-vt-record:3] Set(SIP/102-009f, RECORDTICKET=) 
in new stack
-- Executing [s@macro-vt-record:4] Set(SIP/102-009f, ACTION=add) in 
new stack
-- Executing [s@macro-vt-record:5] Set(SIP/102-009f, QUEUENUM=0) in 
new stack
-- Executing [s@macro-vt-record:6] Set(SIP/102-009f, 
BEFORERECORDEDTIME=Sun Dec 30 16:54:11 2012) in new stack
-- Executing [s@macro-vt-record:7] Record(SIP/102-009f, 
/tmp/voiceticket_102-1356873840-195:wav) in new stack
-- SIP/102-009f Playing 'beep.slin' (language 'en')
  == Spawn extension (macro-vt-record, s, 7) exited non-zero on 
'SIP/102-009f' in macro 'vt-record'
  == Spawn extension (voiceticket_customer-1, s, 3) exited non-zero on 
'SIP/102-009f'



Thanks,




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Re: [asterisk-users] Top Posting

2012-12-30 Thread Ron Wheeler
I participate in a lot of lists and top posting is now the norm since 
people want to see quickly if the message is worth reading.
If the poster wants to intersperse comments in the following text, they 
announce that at the top so readers know to look further down.
Modern e-mail programs make it easy to figure out the history if you 
were not following the discussion closely.


Ron
On 29/12/2012 10:02 PM, Logan Bibby wrote:


I suppose I'm one of the few people that remember the content of 
threads by subject and easily catch up...


I'm also on my phone 99% of the time time and the way Gmail lays out 
emails makes top-posting beneficial to me.


On Dec 29, 2012 8:57 PM, Richard Kenner ken...@gnat.com 
mailto:ken...@gnat.com wrote:


 I realize the benefits of bottom-posting, especially when posting
 inline. But top-posting keeps things in reverse chronological order
 so any reader could catch up quickly on any missed messages in the
 chain. A new reader scrolls to the bottom and reads up.

What's there to catch up with if you don't first read what the
person
is replying to?  Do you think that everybody remembers every thread.
Of what value is it to see something like No, that didn't work.
*before*
a description of what it was that didn't work.

When people reply to an email, it's their responsibility, whether they
top-post or bottom-post to remove unnecessary old message and keep
just
what's necessary to understand the email.

One of the problems with top-posting is that it makes it easier to
forget
to do this.

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[asterisk-users] Timeout(absolute) not working on transfer

2012-12-30 Thread Geoff Lane
Hi All,

Asterisk 1.4.22.1 on CentOS 5

I've configured my dialplan to limit the maximum call length on
outgoing calls. I've done this as I get the first hour of each call
free with my bundle but I pay through the nose if the call goes over
an hour.

Family members who live overseas sometimes ask me to transfer them to
UK landline numbers, which is fine by me as it doesn't cost me
provided they don't exceed the hour limit. However, I noticed a few
days ago that a call from my son (who lives in Australia) that I
transferred didn't time out.

Relevant snippets of extensions.conf follow.

The incoming (via SIP) call fetches up at the following:
exten = [munged],1,Goto(main,1)

exten = main,1,Log(NOTICE, Prefilter: call from ${CALLERID(num)})
exten = main,n,PrivacyManager(2,10)
exten = main,n,GotoIf($[${PRIVACYMGRSTATUS} = FAILED]?withheld,1)
exten = main,n,Log(NOTICE, Incoming call from ${CALLERID(num)})
exten = main,n,GotoIf($[${BLACKLIST()}]?banned,1)
exten = main,n,Set(CALLERID(name)=${DB(cidname/${CALLERID(num)})})
exten = main,n,Dial(${rgMain},${RINGTIME},t)
exten = main,n,Log(NOTICE, Call from ${CALLERID(num)} sent to voicemail)
exten = main,n,VoiceMail(main@default)

To transfer the call, I press # then dial the number, which is in the
form of 01nnn nn, and so should fetch up at the following:
exten = _01.,1,SET(Timeout(absolute)=3540)
exten = _01.,n,Dial(${UKGeographical}/${EXTEN},,g); send anything preceded 
with 01 to UKGeographical

Am I missing something (e.g. Timeout(absolute) doesn't apply to
transferred calls) or can anyone spot something else that's allowing
the call to continue past the 59 minute set limit?

TIA,

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Re: [asterisk-users] Timeout(absolute) not working on transfer

2012-12-30 Thread Logan Bibby
Geoff,

I believe its actually TIMEOUT(absolute)=value. The function name is case
sensitive.

- Logan
On Dec 30, 2012 9:53 AM, Geoff Lane ge...@gjctech.co.uk wrote:

 Hi All,

 Asterisk 1.4.22.1 on CentOS 5

 I've configured my dialplan to limit the maximum call length on
 outgoing calls. I've done this as I get the first hour of each call
 free with my bundle but I pay through the nose if the call goes over
 an hour.

 Family members who live overseas sometimes ask me to transfer them to
 UK landline numbers, which is fine by me as it doesn't cost me
 provided they don't exceed the hour limit. However, I noticed a few
 days ago that a call from my son (who lives in Australia) that I
 transferred didn't time out.

 Relevant snippets of extensions.conf follow.

 The incoming (via SIP) call fetches up at the following:
 exten = [munged],1,Goto(main,1)

 exten = main,1,Log(NOTICE, Prefilter: call from ${CALLERID(num)})
 exten = main,n,PrivacyManager(2,10)
 exten = main,n,GotoIf($[${PRIVACYMGRSTATUS} = FAILED]?withheld,1)
 exten = main,n,Log(NOTICE, Incoming call from ${CALLERID(num)})
 exten = main,n,GotoIf($[${BLACKLIST()}]?banned,1)
 exten = main,n,Set(CALLERID(name)=${DB(cidname/${CALLERID(num)})})
 exten = main,n,Dial(${rgMain},${RINGTIME},t)
 exten = main,n,Log(NOTICE, Call from ${CALLERID(num)} sent to voicemail)
 exten = main,n,VoiceMail(main@default)

 To transfer the call, I press # then dial the number, which is in the
 form of 01nnn nn, and so should fetch up at the following:
 exten = _01.,1,SET(Timeout(absolute)=3540)
 exten = _01.,n,Dial(${UKGeographical}/${EXTEN},,g); send anything
 preceded with 01 to UKGeographical

 Am I missing something (e.g. Timeout(absolute) doesn't apply to
 transferred calls) or can anyone spot something else that's allowing
 the call to continue past the 59 minute set limit?

 TIA,

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Re: [asterisk-users] Top Posting

2012-12-30 Thread Patrick Lists

On 12/30/2012 04:26 PM, Ron Wheeler wrote:

I participate in a lot of lists and top posting is now the norm since
people want to see quickly if the message is worth reading.


Isn't it a bit of a stretch to extrapolate your experience with your 
lists to top posting being the norm? I am subscribed to several lists 
and bottom posting, proper trimming and commenting inline is the norm there.


Actually the norm is determined by the list rules. If the list rules say 
one must use bottom posting then one should use bottom posting. If 
someone does not like that then don't subscribe, find another source to 
ask a question (the forum, LUG, hire a consultant) or just bottom post.


Questions come before answers.
Answers come after questions.

-1 against changing rule #5.

Regards,
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Re: [asterisk-users] Top Posting

2012-12-30 Thread Gergo Csibra
Sunday, December 30, 2012, 5:13:30 PM, Patrick wrote:

 On 12/30/2012 04:26 PM, Ron Wheeler wrote:
 I participate in a lot of lists and top posting is now the norm since
 people want to see quickly if the message is worth reading.

 Isn't it a bit of a stretch to extrapolate your experience with your 
 lists to top posting being the norm? I am subscribed to several lists 
 and bottom posting, proper trimming and commenting inline is the norm there.

 Actually the norm is determined by the list rules. If the list rules say 
 one must use bottom posting then one should use bottom posting. If 
 someone does not like that then don't subscribe, find another source to 
 ask a question (the forum, LUG, hire a consultant) or just bottom post.

 Questions come before answers.
 Answers come after questions.

 -1 against changing rule #5.

Complaining about top posting on a list where's no moderation,
no sanction if somebody top posting is pointless.

but...

-1 against changing rule #5.

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Re: [asterisk-users] Timeout(absolute) not working on transfer

2012-12-30 Thread Geoff Lane
On Sunday, December 30, 2012, Logan Bibby wrote:

 I believe its actually TIMEOUT(absolute)=value. The function name is case 
 sensitive.

Many thanks. I've changed my dialplan accordingly.

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Re: [asterisk-users] Top Posting

2012-12-30 Thread Benny Amorsen
Gergo Csibra csi...@gmail.com writes:

 Complaining about top posting on a list where's no moderation,
 no sanction if somebody top posting is pointless.

There is a sanction. People like me will score top posters lower and
soon not see their posts at all.

It is often a quick way to see if it is worth responding to someone. If
they top post, nothing of value is likely to come out of the
conversation.

So by all means, everybody who wants to, keep top posting.


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Re: [asterisk-users] Timeout(absolute) not working on transfer

2012-12-30 Thread Logan Bibby
No problem! Doubt check through a test extension. I don't want to be
entirely wrong. ;)

- Logan
On Dec 30, 2012 12:12 PM, Geoff Lane ge...@gjctech.co.uk wrote:

 On Sunday, December 30, 2012, Logan Bibby wrote:

  I believe its actually TIMEOUT(absolute)=value. The function name is
 case sensitive.

 Many thanks. I've changed my dialplan accordingly.

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Re: [asterisk-users] Top Posting

2012-12-30 Thread jon pounder

On 12/30/2012 03:54 PM, Benny Amorsen wrote:

Boy what an elitist attitude.

I have been on this list far longer than most people - long before 
digium even existed and if you don't value what I have to say - well 
just don't read it.


If you or your mail reader can't slice and dice a mailing list the way 
you want to see it well maybe its your opinions us top posters won't 
miss, since clearly you are lacking the skills to even have your tools 
format documents for you.





Gergo Csibra csi...@gmail.com writes:


Complaining about top posting on a list where's no moderation,
no sanction if somebody top posting is pointless.

There is a sanction. People like me will score top posters lower and
soon not see their posts at all.

It is often a quick way to see if it is worth responding to someone. If
they top post, nothing of value is likely to come out of the
conversation.

So by all means, everybody who wants to, keep top posting.


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[asterisk-users] Compile asterisk11.1 for i586 VIA C3 CPU

2012-12-30 Thread neo haux
Hi,

I've compiled asterisk 11.1 for my MiniITX card with VIA C3 Samuel2
800MHz CPU. A small box to play with PBX at home.

I get this error when I start asterisk:

root@pbx01:/usr/src/asterisk-11.1.0# /etc/init.d/asterisk  start
Illegal instruction
Starting Asterisk PBX: asteriskIllegal instruction

I compiled it on debian 6.0.6 with this options:
 ./configure --build=i386-pc-linux-gnu --host=i386-pc-linux-gnu \
--with-iksemel=/usr/src/iksemel-1.4 --with-pri=/usr/src/libpri-1.4.14 \
--with-dahdi='/usr/src/dahdi-linux-complete-2.6.1+2.6.1' --libdir=/usr/lib


I was able last days to compile asterisk 1.8 and it did work
perfectly except with Gtalk, and this is why I have to compile
v11.1
I have gone through these steps (v1.8):

1) ./configure --with-iksemel=/usr/src/iksemel-1.4
--with-pri=/usr/src/libpri-1.4.14
--with-dahdi='/usr/src/dahdi-linux-complete-2.6.1+2.6.1'
--libdir=/usr/lib
2) in Makefile change : PROC=i586 (instead of i686)

3) in makeopts change:
#BUILD_PLATFORM=i686-pc-linux-gnu
BUILD_PLATFORM=i586-pc-linux-gnu
#BUILD_CPU=i686
BUILD_CPU=i586
#HOST_PLATFORM=i686-pc-linux-gnu
HOST_PLATFORM=i586-pc-linux-gnu
#HOST_CPU=i686
HOST_CPU=i586
PROC=i586

4) # make  make install

But I can't do the same changes for asterisk 11.1 because the
makefiles haven't the same content as for asterisk v1.8

I need asterisk 11.1 to be able to receive and make calls to gtalk accounts


Do you have any idea where is the problem ?



My VIA CPU:

root@pbx01:/usr/src/asterisk-11.1.0# cat /proc/cpuinfo
processor   : 0
vendor_id   : CentaurHauls
cpu family  : 6
model   : 7
model name  : VIA Samuel 2
stepping: 3
cpu MHz : 799.892
cache size  : 64 KB
fdiv_bug: no
hlt_bug : no
f00f_bug: no
coma_bug: no
fpu : yes
fpu_exception   : yes
cpuid level : 1
wp  : yes
flags   : fpu de tsc msr cx8 mtrr pge mmx 3dnow
bogomips: 1599.78
clflush size: 32
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Re: [asterisk-users] Compile asterisk11.1 for i586 VIA C3 CPU

2012-12-30 Thread George Joseph
Try this...  In menuselect, uncheck BUILD_NATIVE under Compiler Flags and
recompile.

On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 4:44 PM, neo haux neo.h...@gmx.com wrote:

 Hi,

 I've compiled asterisk 11.1 for my MiniITX card with VIA C3 Samuel2
 800MHz CPU. A small box to play with PBX at home.

 I get this error when I start asterisk:

 root@pbx01:/usr/src/asterisk-11.1.0# /etc/init.d/asterisk  start
 Illegal instruction
 Starting Asterisk PBX: asteriskIllegal instruction

 I compiled it on debian 6.0.6 with this options:
  ./configure --build=i386-pc-linux-gnu --host=i386-pc-linux-gnu \
 --with-iksemel=/usr/src/iksemel-1.4 --with-pri=/usr/src/libpri-1.4.14 \
 --with-dahdi='/usr/src/dahdi-linux-complete-2.6.1+2.6.1' --libdir=/usr/lib


 I was able last days to compile asterisk 1.8 and it did work
 perfectly except with Gtalk, and this is why I have to compile
 v11.1
 I have gone through these steps (v1.8):

 1) ./configure --with-iksemel=/usr/src/iksemel-1.4
 --with-pri=/usr/src/libpri-1.4.14
 --with-dahdi='/usr/src/dahdi-linux-complete-2.6.1+2.6.1'
 --libdir=/usr/lib
 2) in Makefile change : PROC=i586 (instead of i686)

 3) in makeopts change:
 #BUILD_PLATFORM=i686-pc-linux-gnu
 BUILD_PLATFORM=i586-pc-linux-gnu
 #BUILD_CPU=i686
 BUILD_CPU=i586
 #HOST_PLATFORM=i686-pc-linux-gnu
 HOST_PLATFORM=i586-pc-linux-gnu
 #HOST_CPU=i686
 HOST_CPU=i586
 PROC=i586

 4) # make  make install

 But I can't do the same changes for asterisk 11.1 because the
 makefiles haven't the same content as for asterisk v1.8

 I need asterisk 11.1 to be able to receive and make calls to gtalk accounts


 Do you have any idea where is the problem ?



 My VIA CPU:

 root@pbx01:/usr/src/asterisk-11.1.0# cat /proc/cpuinfo
 processor   : 0
 vendor_id   : CentaurHauls
 cpu family  : 6
 model   : 7
 model name  : VIA Samuel 2
 stepping: 3
 cpu MHz : 799.892
 cache size  : 64 KB
 fdiv_bug: no
 hlt_bug : no
 f00f_bug: no
 coma_bug: no
 fpu : yes
 fpu_exception   : yes
 cpuid level : 1
 wp  : yes
 flags   : fpu de tsc msr cx8 mtrr pge mmx 3dnow
 bogomips: 1599.78
 clflush size: 32
 cache_alignment : 32
 address sizes   : 32 bits physical, 32 bits virtual
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Re: [asterisk-users] Top Posting

2012-12-30 Thread Steve Edwards

On Sun, 30 Dec 2012, jon pounder wrote:

If you or your mail reader can't slice and dice a mailing list the way 
you want to see it well maybe its your opinions us top posters won't 
miss, since clearly you are lacking the skills to even have your tools 
format documents for you.


And let the flame wars begin!

If you or your mail reader can't slice and dice a mailing list the way you 
want to see it well maybe its your opinions us BOTTOM posters won't miss, 
since clearly you are lacking the skills to even have your tools format 
documents for you or have the courtesy to follow the rules of the list.


Just trim off all the crap except the point you are responding to and then 
I'm sure it's within your skill set to position your cursor down a couple 
of lines before typing.


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Re: [asterisk-users] Top Posting

2012-12-30 Thread Ron Wheeler



On 30/12/2012 11:13 AM, Patrick Lists wrote:

On 12/30/2012 04:26 PM, Ron Wheeler wrote:

I participate in a lot of lists and top posting is now the norm since
people want to see quickly if the message is worth reading.


Isn't it a bit of a stretch to extrapolate your experience with your 
lists to top posting being the norm? I am subscribed to several lists 
and bottom posting, proper trimming and commenting inline is the norm 
there.


Actually the norm is determined by the list rules. If the list rules 
say one must use bottom posting then one should use bottom posting. If 
someone does not like that then don't subscribe, find another source 
to ask a question (the forum, LUG, hire a consultant) or just bottom 
post.


Questions come before answers.
Answers come after questions.

-1 against changing rule #5.

Regards,
Patrick

Not really enough time in the day to keep track of different rules for 
all the forums.

I am more concerned about content than form.

As long as the questions get answered, I can figure out where it is but 
it is a PITA to scroll down through an e-mail to find out that there is 
nothing there worth reading.
I get over 100 e-mails per day that make it through my filters. I like 
to read the content as soon as it pops up rather than searching for the 
text.


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Re: [asterisk-users] Top Posting

2012-12-30 Thread Ron Wheeler

On 30/12/2012 3:54 PM, Benny Amorsen wrote:

Gergo Csibra csi...@gmail.com writes:


Complaining about top posting on a list where's no moderation,
no sanction if somebody top posting is pointless.

There is a sanction. People like me will score top posters lower and
soon not see their posts at all.

It is often a quick way to see if it is worth responding to someone. If
they top post, nothing of value is likely to come out of the
conversation.

So by all means, everybody who wants to, keep top posting.
Questions by their nature are all top posted and bottom posted so if you 
know any answers, your participation will be encouraged.

It is only long discussions that will miss your input.

Ron


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Re: [asterisk-users] Top Posting

2012-12-30 Thread James Mortensen
I have an idea! Instead of arguing over whether or not top posting or
bottom posting is the way to go, something that obviously no one will
*ever*agree on, why not move to Google Groups instead (or something
similar to
Google Groups).

When I post to Doubango's list, it's easy, there's no top or bottom posting
wars, it just works. In fact, in a thread, Google Groups usually drops you
right to the most recent message, so the people who like top posting can
still see the most recent message while the bottom posters will still see
the bottom posting format.

It's either this, or we can sit and watch intelligent people continue to
degrade one another and argue over something with no agreement in site. :)

When I mentioned this before, someone from Digium said this will never
happen, and it's unfortunate.  Maybe they just like to see people bicker
and argue.

If there's a better alternative to Google Groups, or a way to set
preferences in the mailing list so that everyone is happy, maybe that's
something that could be done?

James

On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 6:30 PM, Ron Wheeler rwhee...@artifact-software.com
 wrote:



 On 30/12/2012 11:13 AM, Patrick Lists wrote:

 On 12/30/2012 04:26 PM, Ron Wheeler wrote:

 I participate in a lot of lists and top posting is now the norm since
 people want to see quickly if the message is worth reading.


 Isn't it a bit of a stretch to extrapolate your experience with your
 lists to top posting being the norm? I am subscribed to several lists and
 bottom posting, proper trimming and commenting inline is the norm there.

 Actually the norm is determined by the list rules. If the list rules say
 one must use bottom posting then one should use bottom posting. If someone
 does not like that then don't subscribe, find another source to ask a
 question (the forum, LUG, hire a consultant) or just bottom post.

 Questions come before answers.
 Answers come after questions.

 -1 against changing rule #5.

 Regards,
 Patrick

  Not really enough time in the day to keep track of different rules for
 all the forums.
 I am more concerned about content than form.

 As long as the questions get answered, I can figure out where it is but it
 is a PITA to scroll down through an e-mail to find out that there is
 nothing there worth reading.
 I get over 100 e-mails per day that make it through my filters. I like to
 read the content as soon as it pops up rather than searching for the text.

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Re: [asterisk-users] Top Posting

2012-12-30 Thread James Mortensen
Sorry for double posting, but I realized it was JIRA I spoke with Digium
about, not Google Groups and the mailing list... However, I do think it's
worth investigating or looking into alternatives that are more user
friendly and that can make it easier to communicate with everyone on the
list, whether a seasoned pro, top poster, or bottom poster.

James

On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 6:37 PM, James Mortensen 
james.morten...@voicecurve.com wrote:

 I have an idea! Instead of arguing over whether or not top posting or
 bottom posting is the way to go, something that obviously no one will *
 ever* agree on, why not move to Google Groups instead (or something
 similar to Google Groups).

 When I post to Doubango's list, it's easy, there's no top or bottom
 posting wars, it just works. In fact, in a thread, Google Groups usually
 drops you right to the most recent message, so the people who like top
 posting can still see the most recent message while the bottom posters will
 still see the bottom posting format.

 It's either this, or we can sit and watch intelligent people continue to
 degrade one another and argue over something with no agreement in site. :)

 When I mentioned this before, someone from Digium said this will never
 happen, and it's unfortunate.  Maybe they just like to see people bicker
 and argue.

 If there's a better alternative to Google Groups, or a way to set
 preferences in the mailing list so that everyone is happy, maybe that's
 something that could be done?

 James
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Re: [asterisk-users] Top Posting

2012-12-30 Thread Steve Totaro
Yeah.  I never really got the whole fanatical top vs bottom thing.
Whatever, I have answered way more than my fair share of free
questions (as in beer).  The person asking was always quite happy to
get a meaningful and helpful reply, no matter where it was in the body
of the content.

Why people get worked up over small things is beyond me.  Embrace the Chaos.

Thanks,
Steve T

On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 5:42 PM, jon pounder j...@inline.net wrote:
 On 12/30/2012 03:54 PM, Benny Amorsen wrote:

 Boy what an elitist attitude.

 I have been on this list far longer than most people - long before digium
 even existed and if you don't value what I have to say - well just don't
 read it.

 If you or your mail reader can't slice and dice a mailing list the way you
 want to see it well maybe its your opinions us top posters won't miss, since
 clearly you are lacking the skills to even have your tools format documents
 for you.




 Gergo Csibra csi...@gmail.com writes:

 Complaining about top posting on a list where's no moderation,
 no sanction if somebody top posting is pointless.

 There is a sanction. People like me will score top posters lower and
 soon not see their posts at all.

 It is often a quick way to see if it is worth responding to someone. If
 they top post, nothing of value is likely to come out of the
 conversation.

 So by all means, everybody who wants to, keep top posting.


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Re: [asterisk-users] Top Posting

2012-12-30 Thread Ron Wheeler

I just wish that my biggest problem with Asterisk was top or bottom posting!

Ron

On 30/12/2012 9:45 PM, James Mortensen wrote:
Sorry for double posting, but I realized it was JIRA I spoke with 
Digium about, not Google Groups and the mailing list... However, I do 
think it's worth investigating or looking into alternatives that are 
more user friendly and that can make it easier to communicate with 
everyone on the list, whether a seasoned pro, top poster, or bottom 
poster.


James

On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 6:37 PM, James Mortensen 
james.morten...@voicecurve.com 
mailto:james.morten...@voicecurve.com wrote:


I have an idea! Instead of arguing over whether or not top posting
or bottom posting is the way to go, something that obviously no
one will /ever/ agree on, why not move to Google Groups instead
(or something similar to Google Groups).

When I post to Doubango's list, it's easy, there's no top or
bottom posting wars, it just works. In fact, in a thread, Google
Groups usually drops you right to the most recent message, so the
people who like top posting can still see the most recent message
while the bottom posters will still see the bottom posting format.

It's either this, or we can sit and watch intelligent people
continue to degrade one another and argue over something with no
agreement in site. :)

When I mentioned this before, someone from Digium said this will
never happen, and it's unfortunate.  Maybe they just like to see
people bicker and argue.

If there's a better alternative to Google Groups, or a way to set
preferences in the mailing list so that everyone is happy, maybe
that's something that could be done?

James
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Re: [asterisk-users] Top Posting

2012-12-30 Thread Carlos Alvarez
There's nothing wrong with the list.  The current whining will die off and
things will be back to normal shortly.  Meanwhile I was tempted to bin the
entire thread then realized there's some funny human psychology to be
laughed at.

Top posting to make a few people crazy.  Normally I wouldn't.


On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 7:37 PM, James Mortensen 
james.morten...@voicecurve.com wrote:

 I have an idea! Instead of arguing over whether or not top posting or
 bottom posting is the way to go, something that obviously no one will *
 ever* agree on, why not move to Google Groups instead (or something
 similar to Google Groups).

 When I post to Doubango's list, it's easy, there's no top or bottom
 posting wars, it just works. In fact, in a thread, Google Groups usually
 drops you right to the most recent message, so the people who like top
 posting can still see the most recent message while the bottom posters will
 still see the bottom posting format.

 It's either this, or we can sit and watch intelligent people continue to
 degrade one another and argue over something with no agreement in site. :)

 When I mentioned this before, someone from Digium said this will never
 happen, and it's unfortunate.  Maybe they just like to see people bicker
 and argue.

 If there's a better alternative to Google Groups, or a way to set
 preferences in the mailing list so that everyone is happy, maybe that's
 something that could be done?

 James

 On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 6:30 PM, Ron Wheeler 
 rwhee...@artifact-software.com wrote:



 On 30/12/2012 11:13 AM, Patrick Lists wrote:

 On 12/30/2012 04:26 PM, Ron Wheeler wrote:

 I participate in a lot of lists and top posting is now the norm since
 people want to see quickly if the message is worth reading.


 Isn't it a bit of a stretch to extrapolate your experience with your
 lists to top posting being the norm? I am subscribed to several lists and
 bottom posting, proper trimming and commenting inline is the norm there.

 Actually the norm is determined by the list rules. If the list rules say
 one must use bottom posting then one should use bottom posting. If someone
 does not like that then don't subscribe, find another source to ask a
 question (the forum, LUG, hire a consultant) or just bottom post.

 Questions come before answers.
 Answers come after questions.

 -1 against changing rule #5.

 Regards,
 Patrick

  Not really enough time in the day to keep track of different rules for
 all the forums.
 I am more concerned about content than form.

 As long as the questions get answered, I can figure out where it is but
 it is a PITA to scroll down through an e-mail to find out that there is
 nothing there worth reading.
 I get over 100 e-mails per day that make it through my filters. I like to
 read the content as soon as it pops up rather than searching for the text.

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Re: [asterisk-users] Top Posting

2012-12-30 Thread isrlgb
Just my pitch in to post
From a blackberry you can only top post there is no way of bottom posting 
So if I would have to wait to get to a computer to bottom post I would just 
never answer

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