2011 02:14:54
To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com
Reply-To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
asterisk-users@lists.digium.com
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Top Posting
Shaun Ruffell sruffell at digium.com writes:
Whatever your preferred style, the following post
...@yahoo.com
Sender: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 02:14:54
To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com
Reply-To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
asterisk-users@lists.digium.com
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Top Posting
Shaun Ruffell
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Top Posting
On Mon, 2011-01-17 at 02:31 +, James Miller wrote:
I hate to disagree but I find it much, much easier to follow conversations
when the newest reply is on top. I find it too time consuming to scroll
through a long message just to find out someone
On Sunday 16 January 2011 20:47:56 James Miller wrote:
When you get over 500 emails a day on your blackberry you have make a
decision on what is or is not worth reading at that moment.
Clearly, then, the problem is your blackberry. Ditch it. Or stop
subscribing to list email on a device which
On Sun, 2011-01-16 at 21:43 -0500, Fred Posner wrote:
On Mon, 2011-01-17 at 02:31 +, James Miller wrote:
I cannot imagine considering scrolling to the end of an email time
consuming. Very sad. If you find it too difficult on your blackberry to
press the B key (to jump to the bottom of the
We obviously have all our own opinions about being on top or bottom.
And it boils down to personal preference obviously.
I think in all cases, top posting is by far superior. But I think the
battle will continue ad infinitum.
One, because of speedups in finding the most recent content which
On 01/16/2011 10:28 PM, Mark Murawski wrote:
We obviously have all our own opinions about being on top or bottom. And
it boils down to personal preference obviously.
And it looks like I top posted, heh. I just usually hit reply and start
typing, the default is top.
I guess I go both ways.
Surely there is some mail client smart enough to be able to flip around
the levels of indenting so most recent is top or bottom.
If not quit bitching and make one - I will continue top posting since I
don't seem to be alone in preferring it.
On 01/16/2011 10:28 PM, Mark Murawski wrote:
We
On 01/17/2011 10:31 AM, Mark Murawski wrote:
On 01/16/2011 10:28 PM, Mark Murawski wrote:
We obviously have all our own opinions about being on top or bottom. And
it boils down to personal preference obviously.
And it looks like I top posted, heh. I just usually hit reply and
start typing,
List - Non-Commercial Discussion
asterisk-users@lists.digium.com
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Top Posting
On Mon, 2011-01-17 at 02:31 +, James Miller wrote:
I hate to disagree but I find it much, much easier to follow conversations
when the newest reply is on top. I find it too
-Original Message-
From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com
[mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Tilghman
Lesher
Sent: Sunday, 16 January, 2011 22:18
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Top Posting
Hi,
I thought this kind of discussion didn't exists in asterisk list.
I guess most tech list members will argue on top-vs.-bottom subject at
some point :)
anton
It only exists when someone starts the discussion. The top posters never
start it.
Bottom posting wouldn't be bad if the
-users] Top Posting
On Sunday 16 January 2011 20:47:56 James Miller wrote:
When you get over 500 emails a day on your blackberry you have make a
decision on what is or is not worth reading at that moment.
Clearly, then, the problem is your blackberry. Ditch it. Or stop
subscribing
It is not a matter of preference, it is actually a rule [1]. Top-posting
is also an annoying practice [2] and NOT the general accepted way to reply.
And that's been the case for at least TWO DECADES. I find it amazing that
this is still being argued now.
--
Paul Belanger wrote:
It is not a matter of preference, it is actually a rule [1]. Top-posting
is also an annoying practice [2] and NOT the general accepted way to
reply.
[1] http://www.asterisk.org/community/rules
[2] http://linux.sgms-centre.com/misc/netiquette.php#toppost
Thanks for
On Jan 15, 2011, at 9:29 AM, Don Kelly wrote:
That said, of course I want to follow this list's etiquette. I've posted a
couple times asking how I can interleave responses in Outlook or what other
approach can I take to make it practical to stop top-posting. Any
suggestions?
Don:
Tom Rymes wrote:
On Jan 15, 2011, at 9:29 AM, Don Kelly wrote:
That said, of course I want to follow this list's etiquette. I've
posted a couple times asking how I can interleave responses in
Outlook or what other approach can I take to make it practical to
stop top-posting. Any
Seconded. Although I've succumbed to bottom posting on occasion
when following the convention of the ongoing thread.
On 01/14/2011 07:42 PM, Don Kelly wrote:
Bruce et al
Im posting a
new thread with
Seconded. Although I've succumbed to bottom posting on occasion when
following the convention of the ongoing thread.
On 01/14/2011 07:42 PM, Don Kelly wrote:
Bruce et al…
I’m posting a new thread with the “Top Posting” subject so I won’t draw
complaints about “hijacking” the 4-port
...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Latham
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 7:31 PM
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Top Posting
Seconded. Although I've succumbed to bottom posting on occasion when
following the convention of the ongoing thread
It was only the people who ONLY asked in a response to go to Google to find
answers that annoyed me but slowly posting preference adds up as well.
As long as the subject header is not changed all e-mail clients (no matter
how stupid they are), now-a-days, create a nice tree. Even so does
Since I don't want anyone bitch at my spelling again:
news up = nose up :-)
-Bruce
On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 8:55 PM, Bruce B bruceb...@gmail.com wrote:
It was only the people who ONLY asked in a response to go to Google to find
answers that annoyed me but slowly posting preference adds up as
On Jan 14, 2011, at 8:52 PM, Don Kelly wrote:
I have nothing to add to the nascent flame war that I thought we had so
narrowly avoided when I sent my last message. However:
What did you mean, Andrew, about Don's multiple
signatures which I think he will review?
--Don
[snip]
Andrew meant
, 2011 9:25 PM
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Top Posting
On Jan 14, 2011, at 8:52 PM, Don Kelly wrote:
I have nothing to add to the nascent flame war that I thought we had so
narrowly avoided when I sent my last message. However:
What did
-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Tom Rymes
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 9:25 PM
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Top Posting
On Jan 14, 2011, at 8:52 PM, Don Kelly wrote:
I have nothing to add to the nascent flame war that I
On 11-01-14 07:42 PM, Don Kelly wrote:
Top Posting refers to the practice of sending a message with a reply at the
top and including the entire thread below the reply. I prefer this. If I'm
actively following a thread, the most-recent information appears at the top
of the message I receive. If
David fire wrote:
you are soamming my mail box whit this useless discution
the solution is doble posting (top and bottom)
2008/12/17 Andrew Kohlsmith (lists) akli...@mixdown.ca
mailto:akli...@mixdown.ca
On December 17, 2008 05:03:00 pm Eric ManxPower Wieling wrote:
To me top
-
From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com
[mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Gergo Csibra
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 8:41 AM
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] top posting again [was: Re: CDR Design
Bill Andersen wrote:
In the order in which people normally read text they don't
repeat the entire conversation from the beginning each time
a question is asked either... Bottom posting is just as bad!
./bill
Not when you take the time to properly trim your reply it's not.
BK
2008/12/17 Barry L. Kline blkl...@attglobal.net
Bill Andersen wrote:
In the order in which people normally read text they don't
repeat the entire conversation from the beginning each time
a question is asked either... Bottom posting is just as bad!
./bill
Not when you take the time
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 07:03:15PM -0200, David fire wrote:
2008/12/17 Barry L. Kline blkl...@attglobal.net
Bill Andersen wrote:
In the order in which people normally read text they don't
repeat the entire conversation from the beginning each time
a question is asked either...
Barry L. Kline wrote:
Bill Andersen wrote:
In the order in which people normally read text they don't
repeat the entire conversation from the beginning each time
a question is asked either... Bottom posting is just as bad!
./bill
Not when you take the time to properly trim your reply
On 12/17/2008 Eric ManxPower Wieling wrote:
You're not going to be able to make people stop top posting and I'm
not
going to be able to make people stop using wrong or misleading terms
like SIP Trunk. If you try all you are going to do is piss people
off
and stress yourself out.
Why
...@lists.digium.com
[mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Eberhard
Roloff
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 4:18 PM
To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] top posting again [was: Re: CDR Design]
On 12/17/2008 Eric ManxPower Wieling wrote:
You're not going
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 8:39 PM, Bill Andersen ander...@mwdental.comwrote:
In the order in which people normally read text they don't
repeat the entire conversation from the beginning each time
a question is asked either... Bottom posting is just as bad!
./bill
Posting either way can be
In the order in which people normally read text they don't
repeat the entire conversation from the beginning each time
a question is asked either... Bottom posting is just as bad!
I am strongly against anyone posting anything with their bottom.
later,
PaulH
Paul Hales wrote:
In the order in which people normally read text they don't
repeat the entire conversation from the beginning each time
a question is asked either... Bottom posting is just as bad!
I am strongly against anyone posting anything with their bottom.
How about
On Wed, 17 Dec 2008, Danny Nicholas wrote:
OSUR GONNA BE ABLE TO MAKE PEOPLE STOP POSTING. IF DIGIUM GETS ENOUGH OF
THESE STUPID HITS, THEY WILL CUT THIS OFF. I KNOW I'M SHOUTING, I'M
@#$###$# TIRED OF INTERRUPTING IMPORTANT WORK TO READ NOTHING. THAT'S WHAT
MSN IS FOR.
Spoken like a true
RE Kushner List Account wrote:
Paul Hales wrote:
In the order in which people normally read text they don't
repeat the entire conversation from the beginning each time
a question is asked either... Bottom posting is just as bad!
I am strongly against anyone posting
Steve Edwards wrote:
On Wed, 17 Dec 2008, Danny Nicholas wrote:
OSUR GONNA BE ABLE TO MAKE PEOPLE STOP POSTING. IF DIGIUM GETS ENOUGH OF
THESE STUPID HITS, THEY WILL CUT THIS OFF. I KNOW I'M SHOUTING, I'M
@#$###$# TIRED OF INTERRUPTING IMPORTANT WORK TO READ NOTHING. THAT'S WHAT
MSN
On December 17, 2008 05:03:00 pm Eric ManxPower Wieling wrote:
To me top posting is like people talking about SIP Trunks. There is
no such thing as a SIP Trunk. There are SIP connections, peers,
friends, etc. The term is simply a marketing buzzword to make people
that don't know much about
you are soamming my mail box whit this useless discution
the solution is doble posting (top and bottom)
2008/12/17 Andrew Kohlsmith (lists) akli...@mixdown.ca
On December 17, 2008 05:03:00 pm Eric ManxPower Wieling wrote:
To me top posting is like people talking about SIP Trunks. There is
, that is on topic.
-Original Message-
From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com
[mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of SIP
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 15:44
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] top posting again
On December 17, 2008 06:59:19 pm David fire wrote:
you are soamming my mail box whit this useless discution
the solution is doble posting (top and bottom)
It's a public mailing list. If you're having trouble managing it, you may
want to try a digest version, or perhaps a moderated list.
-A.
On Wed, 17 Dec 2008, Darryl Dunkin wrote:
Steve Edwards wrote:
Top posting. Bottom posting. Honestly, if you can't use an effing
scrollbar, please tell me so I can take you out back and beat you to
death with something heavy. The .5 seconds it takes to scroll from one
end of a message to
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David fire
Sent: 06 December 2008 03:12
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] top posting again [was: Re: CDR Design]
is enougth of this pointless topic... you are spammers now...
2008/12/6 Bob Gustafson [EMAIL PROTECTED
]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Thomas
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 2:59 AM
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] top posting again [was: Re: CDR Design]
Well, it seems this opened one large can of worms.
Anyway, just to repeat my
On Sat, Dec 06, 2008 at 05:25:59AM +0200, Atis Lezdins wrote:
GMail webinterface does automatically hides quotations. I expect that
other mail clients are following.
apt-get install t-prot
The /ignore for top-posters :-)
--
Tzafrir Cohen
icq#16849755
Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
Top posting strikes again:
On Fri, Dec 05, 2008 at 01:39:59PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Quote : Like I said earlier - the CDR's aren't
reliable enough for a billing platform (as you've
rightly pointed out) but are OK for very basic call
logging (something the
Address added to spam filter. Please do NOT e-mail me again.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tzafrir
Cohen
Sent: 05 December 2008 13:27
To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com
Subject: [asterisk-users] top posting again [was: Re: CDR Design]
- Original Message -
From: Andrew Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
asterisk-users@lists.digium.com
Sent: Friday, 5 December, 2008 13:49:59 GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, Ireland,
Portugal
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] top posting again
- Original Message -
From: Mr Gabriel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
asterisk-users@lists.digium.com
Sent: Friday, 5 December, 2008 13:58:09 GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, Ireland,
Portugal
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] top posting again
Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mr Gabriel
Sent: 05 December 2008 14:05
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] top posting again [was: Re: CDR Design] - Or was
it top posting?
- Original Message
Friday, December 5, 2008, 2:49:59 PM, Andrew wrote:
Address added to spam filter. Please do NOT e-mail me again.
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?
--
Best
-- To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
-- Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] top posting again [was: Re: CDR
Design]
--
-- Friday, December 5, 2008, 2:49:59 PM, Andrew wrote:
--
-- Address added to spam filter. Please do NOT e-mail me again.
--
-- A: Because it messes
On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 3:47 PM, Apostolos Pantsiopoulos [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
Top posting strikes again:
On Fri, Dec 05, 2008 at 01:39:59PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Quote : Like I said earlier - the CDR's aren't
reliable enough for a billing platform (as
H, not sure about you but I often pick up a book and flick from
the back to the front, does nobody else do that?
On 05/12/2008, Atis Lezdins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 3:47 PM, Apostolos Pantsiopoulos [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
Top posting
I guess there is a variety of opinions on this, some of which relates to the
tools a person is using. The absolutely most offensive thing to me in a post
is to have to scroll through a bunch of copied original material that I've
already read six times to get to the new part. My own preference
On Friday 05 December 2008 11:11:33 Wilton Helm wrote:
I guess there is a variety of opinions on this, some of which relates to
the tools a person is using. The absolutely most offensive thing to me in
a post is to have to scroll through a bunch of copied original material
that I've already
Tilghman wrote
...will you ask your question in accordance with the rules that were set
out in advance...?
Where can we review these rules?
--Don
___
-- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com --
asterisk-users mailing
i have the solution so every one is happy i will write over and below :- )
2008/12/5 Tilghman Lesher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Friday 05 December 2008 11:11:33 Wilton Helm wrote:
I guess there is a variety of opinions on this, some of which relates to
the tools a person is using. The
On Fri, Dec 05, 2008 at 10:11:33AM -0700, Wilton Helm wrote:
I guess there is a variety of opinions on this, some of which relates
to the tools a person is using. The absolutely most offensive thing
to me in a post is to have to scroll through a bunch of copied
original material that I've
On Friday 05 December 2008 11:57:56 Don Kelly wrote:
Tilghman wrote
...will you ask your question in accordance with the rules that were set
out in advance...?
Where can we review these rules?
This one is as good as any:
http://db.tidbits.com/article/5386
Note the publication date in
makes sense
On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 7:59 PM, David fire [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
i have the solution so every one is happy i will write over and below :- )
2008/12/5 Tilghman Lesher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Friday 05 December 2008 11:11:33 Wilton Helm wrote:
I guess there is a variety of
At 09:11 AM 12/5/2008, you wrote:
I realize that not
everyone sees it that way, but maybe it throws a different perspective in
the mix.
Personally I rarely read bottom posted messages. I've already read the
rest of it and after so many times scrolling to the bottom to see I
agree, I rarely
, telnet, teletype or CRT terminals for email and what not.
I say, end it
Bart
- Original Message -
From: Ira
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] top posting again [was: Re: CDR Design
: Friday, December 05, 2008 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] top posting again [was: Re: CDR Design]
At 09:11 AM 12/5/2008, you wrote:
I realize that not everyone sees it that way, but maybe it throws a
different perspective in the mix.
Personally I rarely read bottom posted messages. I've
I like the discussion, I doubt it will end.
I prefer top posting because I reply to all my customers that way, my
mail client isn't that smart and I think technology should meet the
needs rather than force you to adopt work arounds.
I can fully understand though others preferring it, but I
If I notice that someone has started a bottom post, I will follow. But,
if I am the first, I will top post.
When I look at a new email, I don't like to scroll to the bottom to find
out what is new.
If you know of a mail reader which will automatically scroll to the top
of the latest info, let me
is enougth of this pointless topic... you are spammers now...
2008/12/6 Bob Gustafson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
If I notice that someone has started a bottom post, I will follow. But,
if I am the first, I will top post.
When I look at a new email, I don't like to scroll to the bottom to find
out
On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 4:59 AM, Bob Gustafson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If I notice that someone has started a bottom post, I will follow. But,
if I am the first, I will top post.
When I look at a new email, I don't like to scroll to the bottom to find
out what is new.
If you know of a mail
On 11-Nov-2004, George Gardiner wrote:
So that I can understand the almost religious fervour on this point could
someone please explain to me why top posting is so hated!!
Hopefully this isn't just further fanning the flames, but here's the page
I like to point people to which does a great job
Hello,
I must admit I live in perpetual fear of forgetting to switch of html or rtf
formatting (useful for work) and top posting. I can understand the issue
with the former but can see absolutely no reason why top posting is such a
problem. In fact I'd far prefer it. I get to my e-mail
Joe Greco schrieb:
This turns out to be a basic netiquette issue for all the people who have
joined the 'net.
Oh yeah ... In every usenet group I'm joining this is an issue because
some people don't follow this rule - some other didn't.
I personally really hate top posting or ToFu as we say in
George Gardiner wrote:
I must admit I live in perpetual fear of forgetting to switch of html or rtf formatting (useful for work) and top posting.
A: Because otherwise we don't understand what you're replying to.
Q: Why top posting is so frowned upon?
Cheers,
Gilad
--
Gilad Ben-Yossef [EMAIL
If someone provides me with an answer to a question or provides information
to enhance my asterisk system, I don't care if they top-post or bottom-post.
Marv
___
Asterisk-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
If someone provides me with an answer to a question or provides information
to enhance my asterisk system, I don't care if they top-post or bottom-post.
That could well be fine, but things rapidly get confusing as it moves from
providing a single answer to a simple question to having an
Joe Greco wrote:
*snipped
There's no reason, other than sheer laziness, to top-post. Providing
useful information might lessen the offense somewhat :-), but does not
(IMO) make it somehow okay to do.
... JG
so if by chance there is a thread you are interested in that 3 other
TP'er were
Joe Greco wrote:
There's no reason, other than sheer laziness, to top-post. Providing
useful information might lessen the offense somewhat :-), but does not
(IMO) make it somehow okay to do.
so if by chance there is a thread you are interested in that 3 other
TP'er were engaged in, you
[snip]
It's somewhat amusing, but mostly annoying, to see people fighting this
fight still even after 10+ years on the Internet.
In my experience, there will always be 2 kinds of posters in email
lists/USENET:
1) The somewhat intelligent comprehensive types who understand inline
posting and
Tom Lahti wrote:
2) The lazy type who don't give a damn and top post because its easier.
These are the types who usually have that annoying feature in Windows
turned on that automatically zaps the mouse cursor to whatever default
button appears in modal dialog boxes.
I actually take some
[snip]
I find that keeping the most recent part at the top allows one to get
the new information easily and then if they need more background information
they can follow the trail down to see any context they missed. [snip]
Holy context dropping, Batman.
That approach is fine and totally
neither. There are too many people and too many different threads
involved for top posting to make sense.
When I see the subject of Top Posting in these posts for example I
have absolutely no need of anything more than that to figure out the
context of this message. You could top post all day
On Thu, 2004-11-11 at 13:42 -0800, Tom Lahti wrote:
[snip]
I find that keeping the most recent part at the top allows one to get
the new information easily and then if they need more background information
they can follow the trail down to see any context they missed. [snip]
Holy
On November 11, 2004 08:35 am, Paul Zimm wrote:
If someone provides me with an answer to a question or provides information
to enhance my asterisk system, I don't care if they top-post or
bottom-post.
The reason for that is that the response is something you're counting on;
you'll expend
101 - 185 of 185 matches
Mail list logo
