Re: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use

2006-02-25 Thread Kristian Kielhofner
Cory Andrews wrote: Has anyone tried the Linksys SRW224P? 24 Port managed switch, 10/100, 2 Gig Uplink Ports, PoE: a.. Delivers reliable power over 10/100 Ethernet ports using IEEE 802.3af standard b.. Secure management via SSH/SSL and secure user control via 802.1x MAC filtering c.. IGMP

RE: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use

2006-02-25 Thread Rich Adamson
Inline... Interesting, So are there any sort of specifications to look for? What your talking about does not sound like a managed vs unmanaged issue. More like cheap crap vs half decent. I would never want any switch to drop packets VoIP or not. Does not sound like QoS could help

Re: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use

2006-02-25 Thread Rich Adamson
Has anyone tried the Linksys SRW224P? 24 Port managed switch, 10/100, 2 Gig Uplink Ports, PoE: a.. Delivers reliable power over 10/100 Ethernet ports using IEEE 802.3af standard b.. Secure management via SSH/SSL and secure user control via 802.1x MAC filtering c.. IGMP snooping,

RE: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use

2006-02-25 Thread mustardman29
25, 2006 3:52 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use Inline... Interesting, So are there any sort of specifications to look for? What your talking about does not sound like a managed vs unmanaged

RE: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use

2006-02-25 Thread Chris Bagnall
How does a large file transfer like your excel spreadsheet example, affect communication between an Asterisk server and SIP phone? The only possible configuration I can think of that would cause a problem is if the client PC is sharing the same eternet cable and therefore the same

Re: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use

2006-02-25 Thread Eric \ManxPower\ Wieling
mustardman29 wrote: I have one question, How does a large file transfer like your excel spreadsheet example, affect communication between an Asterisk server and SIP phone? The only possible configuration I can think of that would cause a problem is if the client PC is sharing the same eternet

RE: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use

2006-02-25 Thread Chris Bagnall
...or if your asterisk server is also a file server (which should never be done) I know I'm attracting flames for disagreeing, but sometimes when you're dealing with small business customers there simply isn't the budget to have separate machines for doing x, y and z, and often one finds the

Re: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use

2006-02-25 Thread Eric \ManxPower\ Wieling
Chris Bagnall wrote: ...or if your asterisk server is also a file server (which should never be done) I know I'm attracting flames for disagreeing, but sometimes when you're dealing with small business customers there simply isn't the budget to have separate machines for doing x, y and z, and

Re: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use

2006-02-25 Thread stoffell
On 2/25/06, Chris Bagnall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's a fascinating thread, this. So, for all the criticism, I'll continue using cheap switches, recycled Chris, I mostly agree.. In Europe a 'small' business often only counts 2 - 5 persons. When the budget doesn't allow it, the only way one

Re: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use

2006-02-25 Thread Rich Adamson
I have one question, How does a large file transfer like your excel spreadsheet example, affect communication between an Asterisk server and SIP phone? The only possible configuration I can think of that would cause a problem is if the client PC is sharing the same eternet cable and

RE: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use

2006-02-25 Thread Rich Adamson
How does a large file transfer like your excel spreadsheet example, affect communication between an Asterisk server and SIP phone? The only possible configuration I can think of that would cause a problem is if the client PC is sharing the same eternet cable and therefore the same

RE: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use

2006-02-25 Thread Pete Barnwell
On Sat, 2006-02-25 at 17:19 +, Chris Bagnall wrote: ...or if your asterisk server is also a file server (which should never be done) I know I'm attracting flames for disagreeing, but sometimes when you're dealing with small business customers there simply isn't the budget to have

RE: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use

2006-02-24 Thread Conrad Wood
On Fri, 2006-02-24 at 10:54 +1100, David Ankers wrote: Are you sure those switch figures are right? 16ms delay in the switch path sounds a bit long. Cisco's mid-range switches like the 2950 have switching times measured in micro seconds. Then again a 2626 procurve is only around $700. I meant

RE: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use

2006-02-24 Thread Watkins, Bradley
Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion' Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use Are you sure those switch figures are right? 16ms delay in the switch path sounds a bit long. Cisco's mid-range switches like the 2950 have switching times measured in micro seconds. Then again

RE: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use

2006-02-24 Thread David Ankers
PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Watkins, Bradley Sent: Friday, 24 February 2006 10:08 PM To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion' Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use It must be microseconds that is being quoted, as even the 2626 that you

Re: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use

2006-02-24 Thread Paul
-Commercial Discussion' Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use It must be microseconds that is being quoted, as even the 2626 that you mention lists a less than 13.3 microsecond latency. - Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf

RE: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use

2006-02-24 Thread Conrad Wood
On Sat, 2006-02-25 at 00:21 +1100, David Ankers wrote: Aha, micro seconds in networking terms is normally written usecs or us (actually it's the greek letter mu as in ulaw) rather than ms which are milliseconds seconds - what had me puzzled was that it was stated that this could harm the voice

RE: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use

2006-02-24 Thread Michael Graves
On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:02:27 -0800, mustardman29 wrote: Just the person I have been looking for. If you don't mind, would it be possible to get your opinion on feature for feature comparisons between the 501 and 480i CT(not including cordless phone). Things like programmable buttons, display,

RE: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use

2006-02-24 Thread Douglas Garstang
Polycom does support Asterisk, Asterisk Business Edition. -Original Message- From: Michael Graves [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 6:00 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use

RE: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use

2006-02-24 Thread mustardman29
Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use On Fri, 2006-02-24 at 10:54 +1100, David Ankers wrote: Are you sure those switch figures are right? 16ms delay in the switch path sounds a bit long. Cisco's mid-range switches like the 2950

RE: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use

2006-02-24 Thread Rich Adamson
Aha, micro seconds in networking terms is normally written usecs or us (actually it's the greek letter mu as in ulaw) rather than ms which are milliseconds seconds - what had me puzzled was that it was stated that this could harm the voice path! The difference can also cause unnecessary

RE: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use

2006-02-24 Thread mustardman29
you should never have to view what is going on in there anyways. -Original Message- From: Rich Adamson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 9:43 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone

Re: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use

2006-02-24 Thread Cory Andrews
Discussion' asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 8:01 PM Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use Interesting, So are there any sort of specifications to look for? What your talking about does not sound like a managed vs unmanaged issue. More like cheap

RE: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use

2006-02-23 Thread Conrad Wood
Simple formula: 1. Total Revenue 2. % of revenue derived from phone usage 3. =Cost of downtime by using SoHo or consumer gear. It's not a question of if a SoHo or low cost device will screw up, it is a question of when. This is 23 years of experience talking. Where I work, the value

RE: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use

2006-02-23 Thread Colin Anderson
The cost saving of being able to pin-point a cabling/NIC/bandwidth problem down to the port on the switch easily and quickly is wonderful We also use 3com NJ-200's which is a 4 port switch in a wall plate that has SNMP and other goodies. I can troubleshoot down to the wall plate, anywhere in the

RE: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use

2006-02-23 Thread David Ankers
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Conrad Wood Sent: Friday, 24 February 2006 7:50 AM To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use Simple formula: 1. Total Revenue 2. % of revenue derived from phone usage 3. =Cost of downtime by using SoHo or consumer

RE: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use

2006-02-23 Thread Conrad Wood
On Thu, 2006-02-23 at 15:48 -0700, Colin Anderson wrote: The cost saving of being able to pin-point a cabling/NIC/bandwidth problem down to the port on the switch easily and quickly is wonderful We also use 3com NJ-200's which is a 4 port switch in a wall plate that has SNMP and other

Re: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use

2006-02-23 Thread stoffell
On 2/22/06, Clint Sharp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had to drop 1.0.1.12 because it has a serious handset volume issue that seems to cut the handset volume in half. Fix one bug, cause another. True, but the latest (beta, okay, but does that matter?) firmware fixes bot and some other. Please

RE: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use

2006-02-22 Thread Mimmus
Any news about new Snom 300? Mimmus ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users

Re: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use

2006-02-22 Thread Bob Goddard
On Tuesday 21 Feb 2006 23:16, Chris Bagnall wrote: £40! That would be a cheap and nasty switch with no prospect of any management. A managed switch is worth its weight in gold, /especially/ when you have to look after things remotely. How does one justify the extra cost of a managed switch

Re: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use

2006-02-22 Thread asterisk
On Wed, 22 Feb 2006, Cory Andrews wrote: Clint - Looks like your wish has been granted, and your love affair with Snom can continue. They are soon releasing the new Snom 300, which has most of the features your are fond of in the 360 and 320 models, and should be quite near, if not at, your

Re: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use

2006-02-22 Thread asterisk
On Wed, 22 Feb 2006, Clint Sharp wrote: 2) GXP-2000: Not much better than the Budgetones, but at least the firmware [...[ that phone's quality). The speakerphone is useless due to echo issues. speakerphone echo bug was fixed in 1.0.1.12 -Dan ___

RE: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use

2006-02-22 Thread asterisk
On Wed, 22 Feb 2006, The VoIP Connection wrote: The 941/942 are very nice phones. They are well made and so far the firmware seems very solid, but like their Cisco brethren they are a little expensive for what they offer in my opinion. If they were 25-30% cheaper I would be a lot more

Re: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use

2006-02-22 Thread Joe Pukepail
PROTECTED]AIM - B2CORY - Original Message - From: Clint Sharp To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 1:03 AM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use It's funny this thread has been coming up, because I've been

Re: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use

2006-02-22 Thread Michael Graves
Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 1:03 AM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use It's funny this thread has been coming up, because I've been testing out phones at my office, and I just did a fairly intensive quality test

RE: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use

2006-02-22 Thread Christian Stredicke
m... (see my address!). Please excuse my excitement. Christian From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe PukepailSent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 8:31 AMTo: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial DiscussionSubject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] What bus

Re: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use

2006-02-22 Thread Waldo Rubinstein
Do you know when it's coming out? What will the price be?- WaldoOn Feb 22, 2006, at 1:18 AM, Cory Andrews wrote: Clint - Looks like your wish has been granted, and your love affair with Snom can continue.  They are soon releasing the new Snom 300, which has most of the features your are fond of in

RE: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use

2006-02-22 Thread Rich Adamson
From: Christian Stredicke [EMAIL PROTECTED] The PCB has PoE prepared - if you open it you will see that there is a lot of space where you can solder all kinds of resistors and capacitors. Thats for PoE. However we decided that we don't place the necessary components because it would

RE: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use

2006-02-22 Thread The VoIP Connection
ext. 611 sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 5:30 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Cc: 'mustardman29' Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] What business

RE: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use

2006-02-22 Thread Bob McDowell
- Non-Commercial Discussion' Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use How does one justify the extra cost of a managed switch for an office of no more than 5-10 users with limited SMB file sharing and lightweight internet access going over the thing? It's just not doable

Re: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use

2006-02-22 Thread Clint Sharp
I had to drop 1.0.1.12 because it has a serious handset volume issue that seems to cut the handset volume in half. Fix one bug, cause another. Clint On 2/22/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 22 Feb 2006, Clint Sharp wrote: 2) GXP-2000: Not much better than the Budgetones, but

Re: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use

2006-02-22 Thread Conrad Wood
1) Budgetones: Don't bother for a business setting. The speaker phone is basically useless (echo problems) and the handset is horrible. If you follow the suggestion on the Wiki to drill out the handset, it improves things marginally, but not much. Users talking to you will constantly

RE: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use

2006-02-22 Thread mustardman29
Message - From: Clint Sharp To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 1:03 AM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use It's funny this thread has been coming up, because I've been testing out phones at my office

[Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use

2006-02-21 Thread mustardman29
I have been struggling with this issue for about a year now. There were just too many IP phones to choose from at all sorts of price points and not enough information about any of them. Now I am looking at the situation again and if anything it has gotten worse. There are even more phones

RE: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use

2006-02-21 Thread Ross C
think it would get used... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mustardman29 Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 11:58 AM To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use I have been struggling

RE: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use

2006-02-21 Thread Chris Bagnall
I hear some people praising the GXP2000 phones and I gotta wonder what they are smokin (regardless of firmware revison) so I just don't know who to believe anymore. As one of those who's praised the GXP2000, I feel I should just add that it's all relative *to the price point*. The GXP2000

Re: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use

2006-02-21 Thread Raymond McKay
For every person that says phone x is great there is someone else complaining about it. Its very simple why there are soo many answers to the what phone to use question. The answer really comes down to a matter of personal preferance and end-users needs. Mind you, some phones are better

RE: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use

2006-02-21 Thread Chris Bagnall
I agree with most of Raymond's other points, but I have to take issue with this one: 1) If it doesn't support PoE I won't implement it. Support phones with wall-warts or bricks is just a added hassle and adds TCO as most end up being replaced once or twice during the lifetime of the phone

Re: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use

2006-02-21 Thread asterisk
On Tue, 21 Feb 2006, mustardman29 wrote: I hear some people praising the GXP2000 phones and I gotta wonder what they are smokin (regardless of firmware revison) so I just don't know who to believe anymore. The GXP2000 is probably the best phone you can buy _for under $100_. Got it? Under

RE: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use

2006-02-21 Thread asterisk
On Tue, 21 Feb 2006, Ross C wrote: I wouldn't worry about the polycoms not 'officially' supporting asterisk. LOTS of people use them with Asterisk (including myself). The biggest gripes with polycoms seem to be: cumbersome config, 7 blf limit (making the sidecars useless), and polycom's

Re: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use

2006-02-21 Thread Bob Goddard
On Tuesday 21 Feb 2006 19:55, Chris Bagnall wrote: I agree with most of Raymond's other points, but I have to take issue with this one: 1) If it doesn't support PoE I won't implement it. Support phones with wall-warts or bricks is just a added hassle and adds TCO as most end up being

RE: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use

2006-02-21 Thread The VoIP Connection
www.thevoipconnection.com 321.989.6728 ext. 611 sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: mustardman29 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 12:58 PM To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use I have been

Re: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use

2006-02-21 Thread Saul Diaz
. Michael Crown Managing Partner www.thevoipconnection.com 321.989.6728 ext. 611 sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: mustardman29 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 12:58 PM To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP

Re: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use

2006-02-21 Thread pdhales
It's funny, but I found it more challening to buy a second hand car than to buy phones. PaulH - Original Message - From: mustardman29 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 4:57 AM Subject: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use

Re: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use

2006-02-21 Thread Henry Kwan
) If it doesn't support PoE I won't implement it. Support phones with wall-warts or bricks is just a added hassle and adds TCO as most end up being replaced once or twice during the lifetime of the phone when someone trips over them etc. With PoE switches from linksys starting at $500, there is

RE: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use

2006-02-21 Thread Chris Bagnall
£40! That would be a cheap and nasty switch with no prospect of any management. A managed switch is worth its weight in gold, /especially/ when you have to look after things remotely. How does one justify the extra cost of a managed switch for an office of no more than 5-10 users with

RE: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use

2006-02-21 Thread Colin Anderson
How does one justify the extra cost of a managed switch for an office of no more than 5-10 users with limited SMB file sharing and lightweight internet access going over the thing? It's just not doable. In larger organizations, I agree entirely, a managed switch *is* worth its weight in gold, but

RE: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use

2006-02-21 Thread mustardman29
Discussion' Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use I have used every phone and talk to customers using different devices all day long and I can tell you there is no single IP phone that is perfect for everyone. You will not find the answer on a newsgroup or a wiki, you need

RE: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use

2006-02-21 Thread The VoIP Connection
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion' Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use Thanks Michael, That sounds like good advice. I am surprised that some customers like the GXP2000. Cheap looking, cheap sounding, high

Re: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use

2006-02-21 Thread Clint Sharp
It's funny this thread has been coming up, because I've been testing out phones at my office, and I just did a fairly intensive quality test on them.1) Budgetones: Don't bother for a business setting. The speaker phone is basically useless (echo problems) and the handset is horrible. If you follow

Re: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use

2006-02-21 Thread Cory Andrews
X22email - [EMAIL PROTECTED]AIM - B2CORY - Original Message - From: Clint Sharp To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 1:03 AM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] What business IP phone to use It's funny this thread