[asterisk-users] Softphones with SIP transfer
Hello how are you? Can you give me advice on which are the best free or not (free prefered) that use SIP Transfer. Thanks a lot!!! -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[asterisk-users] Softphones
We are currently using an older version of Eyebeam on our deployment and keep having an issue with the disappearance of SIP accounts, and after research found it is a bug on the version we currently have. I am looking for a new softphone solution and I was wondering what everyone was using out there with your Asterisk deployments. Any information would be helpful and most appreciated. Our current user base is on Windows XP, but we would like the chosen solution to be compatible with Windows 7 and MAC as well. I have looked into using Bria by Counterpath, but would like to keep my options open. Rebecca Robinson Telecom Administrator Confidentiality Statement Notice: This email is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521 and intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. Any review, retransmission, dissemination to unauthorized persons or other use of the original message and any attachments is strictly prohibited. If you received this electronic transmission in error, please reply to the above-referenced sender about the error and permanently delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[asterisk-users] Softphones on thin clients...
Does anyone know if you can use softphones on thin clients? I have a new customer that wants to use Eyebeam (about 10 users) on a thin client platform. Each user has a little box on their desk that has a USB port, mic and headphone jacks and monitor. I am worried about conflicts when running 10 softphones on the same server since they will all try to use por 5060. -- Telecomunicaciones Abiertas de México S.A. de C.V. Carlos Chávez Prats Director de Tecnología +52-55-91169161 ext 2001 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Softphones on thin clients...
On 20 May 2010, at 18:35, Carlos Chavez wrote: I am worried about conflicts when running 10 softphones on the same server since they will all try to use por 5060. And the fact most terminal services servers/clients still don't support audio input.. only output.. S -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Softphones on thin clients...
1. GPXE + HTTP 2. Tiny Core Linux 3. Profit... ~ Andrew lathama Latham lath...@gmail.com * Learn more about OSS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-source_software * Learn more about Linux http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux * Learn more about Tux http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tux On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Carlos Chavez cur...@telecomabmex.com wrote: Does anyone know if you can use softphones on thin clients? I have a new customer that wants to use Eyebeam (about 10 users) on a thin client platform. Each user has a little box on their desk that has a USB port, mic and headphone jacks and monitor. I am worried about conflicts when running 10 softphones on the same server since they will all try to use por 5060. -- Telecomunicaciones Abiertas de México S.A. de C.V. Carlos Chávez Prats Director de Tecnología +52-55-91169161 ext 2001 -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Softphones on thin clients...
Don't some thin clients run on WindowsCE or Linux/rdesktop? -Original Message- From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Steve Howes Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 1:51 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Softphones on thin clients... On 20 May 2010, at 18:35, Carlos Chavez wrote: I am worried about conflicts when running 10 softphones on the same server since they will all try to use por 5060. And the fact most terminal services servers/clients still don't support audio input.. only output.. S -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Softphones on thin clients...
-Original Message- From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Steve Howes Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 1:51 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Softphones on thin clients... On 20 May 2010, at 18:35, Carlos Chavez wrote: I am worried about conflicts when running 10 softphones on the same server since they will all try to use por 5060. And the fact most terminal services servers/clients still don't support audio input.. only output.. Since the little box has a MIC jack I suppose that it should support audio input. These boxes will be running Windows and using Eyebeam. -- Telecomunicaciones Abiertas de México S.A. de C.V. Carlos Chávez Prats Director de Tecnología +52-55-91169161 ext 2001 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Softphones on thin clients...
I've used HP Thin Clients as embedded hosts for Asterisk. The T5700 models that I have are 1 GHz CPUs, more recent models should be able to run a soft phone without too much trouble. They all have local USB ports, making USB headsets as good solution. Another alternative might be to used a soft phone implemented as a web plug-in or activex object. Tim Panton of PhoneFromHere.com has a great Java soft phone object that we use to make G.722 calls to the ZipDX conference bridge for the VoIP Users Conference every week. Michael Graves mgraves mstvp.com o(713) 861-4005 c(713) 201-1262 sip:mjgra...@mstvp.onsip.com skype mjgraves Original Message Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Softphones on thin clients... From: Carlos Chavez cur...@telecomabmex.com Date: Thu, May 20, 2010 1:36 pm To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com -Original Message- From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Steve Howes Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 1:51 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Softphones on thin clients... On 20 May 2010, at 18:35, Carlos Chavez wrote: I am worried about conflicts when running 10 softphones on the same server since they will all try to use por 5060. And the fact most terminal services servers/clients still don't support audio input.. only output.. Since the little box has a MIC jack I suppose that it should support audio input. These boxes will be running Windows and using Eyebeam. -- Telecomunicaciones Abiertas de México S.A. de C.V. Carlos Chávez Prats Director de Tecnología +52-55-91169161 ext 2001hr-- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Softphones on thin clients...
Is the Java soft phone an open source or obtainable? I am just checking their site and it seems they only provide service??!! Their java web based client is built neatly. Would like to test that on my servers. On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 3:21 PM, mgra...@mstvp.com wrote: I've used HP Thin Clients as embedded hosts for Asterisk. The T5700 models that I have are 1 GHz CPUs, more recent models should be able to run a soft phone without too much trouble. They all have local USB ports, making USB headsets as good solution. Another alternative might be to used a soft phone implemented as a web plug-in or activex object. Tim Panton of PhoneFromHere.com has a great Java soft phone object that we use to make G.722 calls to the ZipDX conference bridge for the VoIP Users Conference every week. Michael Graves mgraves mstvp.com o(713) 861-4005 c(713) 201-1262 sip:mjgra...@mstvp.onsip.com sip%3amjgra...@mstvp.onsip.com skype mjgraves Original Message Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Softphones on thin clients... From: Carlos Chavez cur...@telecomabmex.com Date: Thu, May 20, 2010 1:36 pm To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com -Original Message- From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Steve Howes Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 1:51 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Softphones on thin clients... On 20 May 2010, at 18:35, Carlos Chavez wrote: I am worried about conflicts when running 10 softphones on the same server since they will all try to use por 5060. And the fact most terminal services servers/clients still don't support audio input.. only output.. Since the little box has a MIC jack I suppose that it should support audio input. These boxes will be running Windows and using Eyebeam. -- Telecomunicaciones Abiertas de México S.A. de C.V. Carlos Chávez Prats Director de Tecnología +52-55-91169161 ext 2001hr-- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Softphones on thin clients...
Not open source, nor free...but certainly available. --Original Message Text--- From: bruce bruce Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 15:33:41 -0400 Is the Java soft phone an open source or obtainable? I am just checking their site and it seems they only provide service??!! Their java web based client is built neatly. Would like to test that on my servers. On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 3:21 PM, mgra...@mstvp.com wrote: I've used HP Thin Clients as embedded hosts for Asterisk. The T5700 models that I have are 1 GHz CPUs, more recent models should be able to run a soft phone without too much trouble. They all have local USB ports, making USB headsets as good solution. Another alternative might be to used a soft phone implemented as a web plug-in or activex object. Tim Panton of PhoneFromHere.com has a great Java soft phone object that we use to make G.722 calls to the ZipDX conference bridge for the VoIP Users Conference every week. Michael Graves mgraves mstvp.com o(713) 861-4005 c(713) 201-1262 sip:mjgra...@mstvp.onsip.com skype mjgraves Original Message Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Softphones on thin clients... From: Carlos Chavez cur...@telecomabmex.com Date: Thu, May 20, 2010 1:36 pm To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com -Original Message- From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Steve Howes Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 1:51 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Softphones on thin clients... On 20 May 2010, at 18:35, Carlos Chavez wrote: I am worried about conflicts when running 10 softphones on the same server since they will all try to use por 5060. And the fact most terminal services servers/clients still don't support audio input.. only output.. Since the little box has a MIC jack I suppose that it should support audio input. These boxes will be running Windows and using Eyebeam. -- Telecomunicaciones Abiertas de México S.A. de C.V. Carlos Chávez Prats Director de Tecnología +52-55-91169161 ext 2001hr-- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- Michael Graves mgravesatmstvp.com http://www.mgraves.org o713-861-4005 c713-201-1262 sip:mgra...@mstvp.onsip.com skype mjgraves Twitter mjgraves -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[asterisk-users] softphones (x_lite) not able to register with asterisk server
hi all, i had installed asterisk on Centos 5.3, sip.conf and extentions.conf are vi /etc/asterisk/sip.conf [general] port = 5060 bindaddr = 192.168.1.2 (asterisk server ip addr) context = others [2000] type=friend context=my-phones secret=1234 host=dynamic [2001] type=friend context=my-phones secret=1234 host=dynamic vi /etc/asteris/extentions.conf [others] [my-phones] exten = 2000,1,Dial(SIP/2000) exten = 2001,1,Dial(SIP/2001) now when i am registering softphones i am getting error message AN ACCOUNT WITHOUT DOMAIN NAME OR USERNAME IS INVALID,AND CAN NOT BE ENABLED.ARE YOU SURE U WANT TO CONTINUE thx ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] softphones (x_lite) not able to register with asterisk server
Hello. I see this post many times. I have written this for you to get a start. This is sip.conf [general] context=default ; Default context for incoming calls allowoverlap=no ; Disable overlap dialing support. (Default is yes) bindport=5060; UDP Port to bind to (SIP standard port is 5060) ; bindport is the local UDP port that Asterisk will ; listen on bindaddr=0.0.0.0 ; IP address to bind to (0.0.0.0 binds to all) srvlookup=yes; Enable DNS SRV lookups on outbound calls ; Note: Asterisk only uses the first host ; in SRV records ; Disabling DNS SRV lookups disables the ; ability to place SIP calls based on domain ; names to some other SIP users on the Internet dtmfmode = rfc2833;inband [610] username=610 secret=610610 type=friend context=start_here host=dynamic nat=yes canreinvite=no callerid=test610 This is extensions.conf [general] [global] [start_here] exten =123,1, Answer(); exten = 123,2,playback(tt-monkeys); exten = 123,3,hangup(); I hope this time you will get success Cheers On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:10 AM, aster...@opensourcesolution.in wrote: hi all, i had installed asterisk on Centos 5.3, sip.conf and extentions.conf are vi /etc/asterisk/sip.conf [general] port = 5060 bindaddr = 192.168.1.2 (asterisk server ip addr) context = others [2000] type=friend context=my-phones secret=1234 host=dynamic [2001] type=friend context=my-phones secret=1234 host=dynamic vi /etc/asteris/extentions.conf [others] [my-phones] exten = 2000,1,Dial(SIP/2000) exten = 2001,1,Dial(SIP/2001) now when i am registering softphones i am getting error message *an account without domain name or username is invalid,and can not be enabled.are you sure u want to continue* thx ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- Best Regards Shakeel Abbas ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] softphones (x_lite) not able to register with asterisk server
You may be doing some thing wrong with Configuration of Softphone. Please take a tutorial .. Google is a good friend. I suggest you to use X-lite softphone. On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:25 AM, ABBAS SHAKEEL shakeel.abbas@gmail.com wrote: Hello. I see this post many times. I have written this for you to get a start. This is sip.conf [general] context=default ; Default context for incoming calls allowoverlap=no ; Disable overlap dialing support. (Default is yes) bindport=5060; UDP Port to bind to (SIP standard port is 5060) ; bindport is the local UDP port that Asterisk will ; listen on bindaddr=0.0.0.0 ; IP address to bind to (0.0.0.0 binds to all) srvlookup=yes; Enable DNS SRV lookups on outbound calls ; Note: Asterisk only uses the first host ; in SRV records ; Disabling DNS SRV lookups disables the ; ability to place SIP calls based on domain ; names to some other SIP users on the Internet dtmfmode = rfc2833;inband [610] username=610 secret=610610 type=friend context=start_here host=dynamic nat=yes canreinvite=no callerid=test610 This is extensions.conf [general] [global] [start_here] exten =123,1, Answer(); exten = 123,2,playback(tt-monkeys); exten = 123,3,hangup(); I hope this time you will get success Cheers On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:10 AM, aster...@opensourcesolution.in wrote: hi all, i had installed asterisk on Centos 5.3, sip.conf and extentions.conf are vi /etc/asterisk/sip.conf [general] port = 5060 bindaddr = 192.168.1.2 (asterisk server ip addr) context = others [2000] type=friend context=my-phones secret=1234 host=dynamic [2001] type=friend context=my-phones secret=1234 host=dynamic vi /etc/asteris/extentions.conf [others] [my-phones] exten = 2000,1,Dial(SIP/2000) exten = 2001,1,Dial(SIP/2001) now when i am registering softphones i am getting error message *an account without domain name or username is invalid,and can not be enabled.are you sure u want to continue* thx ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- Best Regards Shakeel Abbas -- Best Regards Shakeel Abbas ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[asterisk-users] Softphones with RPID and BLF
Hello, I am looking for a softphone which supports RPID (displaying the called party name) and BLF features. I couldn't find one so far... Any idea whether such a softphone exists? Thanks! __Yehavi: ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] [Softphones] ZoIPer vs. XLite?
On Wed, 6 Feb 2008 20:12:21 +0100, randulo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the phone referred to that Jared mentioned is the Allnet 7960. I have an ongoing review of it here (meaning I never finished it properly). Thanks for the tip. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] [Softphones] ZoIPer vs. XLite?
On Wed, 6 Feb 2008 20:12:21 +0100, randulo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://food4wine.ning.com/ BTW, we also want to receive call notifications on our cell phones. In addition to using SMS, we found a cheaper alternative which is to use iMode cellphones and subscribe to Bouygues Telecom's 2MB/month plan for 2. We get a notification when an e-mail was left in the mailbox. At about 200 bytes per message sent by Asterisk, 20 calls/day, 20 days/month, that's about 80KB of data. http://imode.fr/ My .15E ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] [Softphones] ZoIPer vs. XLite?
On 7 Feb 2008, at 10:29, Vincent wrote: On Wed, 6 Feb 2008 20:12:21 +0100, randulo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://food4wine.ning.com/ BTW, we also want to receive call notifications on our cell phones. In addition to using SMS, we found a cheaper alternative which is to use iMode cellphones and subscribe to Bouygues Telecom's 2MB/month plan for €2. We get a notification when an e-mail was left in the mailbox. At about 200 bytes per message sent by Asterisk, 20 calls/day, 20 days/month, that's about 80KB of data. Is that some form of push notification? Otherwise you'll have the data costs of pop/imap polling every few minutes, which are going to be bigger. Still less than 2MB/month - unless you get spammed or subscribed to this list :-) T ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] [Softphones] ZoIPer vs. XLite?
On Thu, 7 Feb 2008 11:03:22 +, Tim Panton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is that some form of push notification? Yup, it comes with the same push mail feature found in BlackBerry. Much cheaper than either sending SMS's or taking a 3G subscription. Can't wait for Wimax or cellphones over TV airwaves,though. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] [Softphones] ZoIPer vs. XLite?
On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 13:56:37 + (GMT), Tim H. Panton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jared was talking about a decent IAX hardphone on this list a week or so back, I don't recall the make. Google didn't return anything with Jared IAX in the gmane.comp.telephony.pbx.asterisk.user archives. You should not need to make _any_ changes to the firewall at the remote end (unless they block all outgoing UDP). Thanks. BTW, will Asterisk 1.6 support STUN so that the server can punch out UDP port for RTP like SIP clients do? ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] [Softphones] ZoIPer vs. XLite?
Vincent, the phone referred to that Jared mentioned is the Allnet 7960. I have an ongoing review of it here (meaning I never finished it properly). http://food4wine.ning.com/ On Feb 6, 2008 12:44 PM, Vincent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 13:56:37 + (GMT), Tim H. Panton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jared was talking about a decent IAX hardphone on this list a week or so back, I don't recall the make. Google didn't return anything with Jared IAX in the gmane.comp.telephony.pbx.asterisk.user archives. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[asterisk-users] [Softphones] ZoIPer vs. XLite?
Hello I need to hook up someone's remote PC onto our Asterisk server over the Net. There are firewalls on each side, so I figured it's time to give IAX a try, and see if it's less of a pain to use than SIP. And since IAX hardphones are pretty are, I guess I'll go softphone. Apparently, the two most well-known IAX and SIP clients for Windows are ZoIPer and X-Lite, respectively. For those of you have tried both, especially in a context with NAT firewalls on both sides, what's the outcome? Did you stick to ZoIPer, or is it not good on par with X-Lite? Are other clients I should know about? http://www.zoiper.com/ http://www.counterpath.com/ Thanks. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] [Softphones] ZoIPer vs. XLite?
On Tue, 5 Feb 2008, Vincent wrote: Hello I need to hook up someone's remote PC onto our Asterisk server over the Net. There are firewalls on each side, so I figured it's time to give IAX a try, and see if it's less of a pain to use than SIP. And since IAX hardphones are pretty are, I guess I'll go softphone. Apparently, the two most well-known IAX and SIP clients for Windows are ZoIPer and X-Lite, respectively. For those of you have tried both, especially in a context with NAT firewalls on both sides, what's the outcome? Did you stick to ZoIPer, or is it not good on par with X-Lite? Are other clients I should know about? http://www.zoiper.com/ http://www.counterpath.com/ Zoiper just works in IAX mode. The GUI is simple and easy to use too. (Although I've only first-hand experience of the Linux one) Gordon ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] [Softphones] ZoIPer vs. XLite?
Jared was talking about a decent IAX hardphone on this list a week or so back, I don't recall the make. If you use IAX, all you need to do is : 1) set your local firewall to forward udp 4569 to asterisk. (optionally filtering by from IP address if your user has a fixed IP address or known range) 2) have your ZOIPer or other IAX phone register with asterisk every 60 seconds. 3) configure an IAX 'friend' account for your user. You should not need to make _any_ changes to the firewall at the remote end (unless they block all outgoing UDP). Tim. - Original Message - From: Vincent [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: 05 February 2008 08:07:01 o'clock (GMT) Europe/London Subject: [asterisk-users] [Softphones] ZoIPer vs. XLite? Hello I need to hook up someone's remote PC onto our Asterisk server over the Net. There are firewalls on each side, so I figured it's time to give IAX a try, and see if it's less of a pain to use than SIP. And since IAX hardphones are pretty are, I guess I'll go softphone. Apparently, the two most well-known IAX and SIP clients for Windows are ZoIPer and X-Lite, respectively. For those of you have tried both, especially in a context with NAT firewalls on both sides, what's the outcome? Did you stick to ZoIPer, or is it not good on par with X-Lite? Are other clients I should know about? http://www.zoiper.com/ http://www.counterpath.com/ Thanks. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] [Softphones] ZoIPer vs. XLite?
Marc Charbonneau wrote: - shameless plugMy MediaX softphone : http://www.marccharbonneau.com/asterisk/mediaxphone.php/shameless plug Marc, does your client play nicely with Vista? We've been having some problems with softphones that work fine in XP, but choke in Vista. -- Alan Williamson Professional Self Publishing Packages http://www.Blog-City.com/ myBlog = 'http://alan.blog-city.com/'; ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] [Softphones] ZoIPer vs. XLite?
Are other clients I should know about? http://www.zoiper.com/ http://www.counterpath.com/ Add to that list - Mozphone (http://mozphone.mozdev.org/) that can be installed in Firefox -Kiax : http://sourceforge.net/projects/kiax - shameless plugMy MediaX softphone : http://www.marccharbonneau.com/asterisk/mediaxphone.php/shameless plug - iaxcomm : http://iaxclient.sourceforge.net/iaxcomm/ - The one from Sokol associates : http://www.sokol-associates.com/?q=node/29 hth ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] [Softphones] ZoIPer vs. XLite?
Marc, does your client play nicely with Vista? We've been having some problems with softphones that work fine in XP, but choke in Vista. I don't know, never tried it since I couldn't find a machine with enough power to run Vista decently ;) Try it and let me know how it goes. If it doesn't work, I will try to fix it. Thanks ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Softphones IAX vs. SIP, remote connectivity.
I have to say, I had quite a chuckle imagining zip /dev/phone_sitting_on_desk being run on someone's command prompt =)-brandonOn 9/7/06, Ferguson, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bruce, How do you go about accomplishing configuring the phone, zipping it up and sending it over to your family? Thanks From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Bruce ReevesSent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 8:37 AMTo: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial DiscussionSubject: Re: [asterisk-users] Softphones IAX vs. SIP, remote connectivity. Nick,I have done what you are talking about as far as being a provider for family members. I used an IAX softphone mainly to eliminate the need for so many holes in the firewall. And secondly because the idefisk IAX softphone allowed me to extract the zip version, configure the phone, and zip the folder up and email it to my family members. So for my mom it was simply unzip the folder and On 9/7/06, Nick Ellson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob,I will up the logs today, have my phone at work with me. (though the Wifeand Kids are not up yet ;)Anything specific I should target?Nick--Nick EllsonCCDA, CCNP, CCSP, CCAI, MCSE 2000, Security+, Network+Network Hobbyist, VFR Private Pilot.On Thu, 7 Sep 2006, Bob Chiodini wrote: Nick, Anything helpful in the asterisk or system logs. Try bumping up the debug and verbose levels see what shows up on the console. Weird that it would work inbound and not outbound. Bob... On Thu, 2006-09-07 at 04:48 -0700, Nick Ellson wrote: Hey all, A previous annoyance with not being able to call out to my brother on FWD from my Asterisk system had me thinking that since I have my own PBX, and that system has it's own 1-to-1 static NAT to the internet, I should be able to act as the provider for him or any of my family, and have them as local extensions of my PBX, right? So I took my laptop to work (using the X-Lite SIP softphone) and watch my ACL logs on my router for any denies to my Asterisk box. As expected udp/5060, then once that was open, a series of randomish udp/1+ requests. My phone registered, and I tried to call one of the phones behind a PAP2. Worked first shot, and just as clear and responsive as it was when I was home. But, the phones at home could not call me, they when to voice mail. I had heard that SIP doesn't survive NAT all that well, and that IAX native phones do a better job. My question is, given my description of how I am set up and what I am trying to accomplish, should I be looking at SIP or is IAX a more robust choice? (I was hoping to get video working as well, h.263 I believe it is). Nick ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___--Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com --asterisk-users mailing listTo UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- BruceNortex Networks ___--Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing listTo UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users-- Brandon GalbraithEmail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: brandong00Voice: 630.400.6992A true pirate starts drinking before the sun hits the yard-arm. Ya. --thelost ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [asterisk-users] Softphones IAX vs. SIP, remote connectivity.
Bruce, How do you go about accomplishing configuring the phone, zipping it up and sending it over to your family? Thanks From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce ReevesSent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 8:37 AMTo: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial DiscussionSubject: Re: [asterisk-users] Softphones IAX vs. SIP, remote connectivity. Nick,I have done what you are talking about as far as being a provider for family members. I used an IAX softphone mainly to eliminate the need for so many holes in the firewall. And secondly because the idefisk IAX softphone allowed me to extract the zip version, configure the phone, and zip the folder up and email it to my family members. So for my mom it was simply unzip the folder and On 9/7/06, Nick Ellson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob,I will up the logs today, have my phone at work with me. (though the Wifeand Kids are not up yet ;)Anything specific I should target?Nick--Nick EllsonCCDA, CCNP, CCSP, CCAI, MCSE 2000, Security+, Network+Network Hobbyist, VFR Private Pilot.On Thu, 7 Sep 2006, Bob Chiodini wrote: Nick, Anything helpful in the asterisk or system logs. Try bumping up the debug and verbose levels see what shows up on the console. Weird that it would work inbound and not outbound. Bob... On Thu, 2006-09-07 at 04:48 -0700, Nick Ellson wrote: Hey all, A previous annoyance with not being able to call out to my brother on FWD from my Asterisk system had me thinking that since I have my own PBX, and that system has it's own 1-to-1 static NAT to the internet, I should be able to act as the provider for him or any of my family, and have them as local extensions of my PBX, right? So I took my laptop to work (using the X-Lite SIP softphone) and watch my ACL logs on my router for any denies to my Asterisk box. As expected udp/5060, then once that was open, a series of randomish udp/1+ requests. My phone registered, and I tried to call one of the phones behind a PAP2. Worked first shot, and just as clear and responsive as it was when I was home. But, the phones at home could not call me, they when to voice mail. I had heard that SIP doesn't survive NAT all that well, and that IAX native phones do a better job. My question is, given my description of how I am set up and what I am trying to accomplish, should I be looking at SIP or is IAX a more robust choice? (I was hoping to get video working as well, h.263 I believe it is). Nick ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___--Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com --asterisk-users mailing listTo UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users-- BruceNortex Networks ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[asterisk-users] Softphones IAX vs. SIP, remote connectivity.
Hey all, A previous annoyance with not being able to call out to my brother on FWD from my Asterisk system had me thinking that since I have my own PBX, and that system has it's own 1-to-1 static NAT to the internet, I should be able to act as the provider for him or any of my family, and have them as local extensions of my PBX, right? So I took my laptop to work (using the X-Lite SIP softphone) and watch my ACL logs on my router for any denies to my Asterisk box. As expected udp/5060, then once that was open, a series of randomish udp/1+ requests. My phone registered, and I tried to call one of the phones behind a PAP2. Worked first shot, and just as clear and responsive as it was when I was home. But, the phones at home could not call me, they when to voice mail. I had heard that SIP doesn't survive NAT all that well, and that IAX native phones do a better job. My question is, given my description of how I am set up and what I am trying to accomplish, should I be looking at SIP or is IAX a more robust choice? (I was hoping to get video working as well, h.263 I believe it is). Nick -- Nick Ellson CCDA, CCNP, CCSP, CCAI, MCSE 2000, Security+, Network+ Network Hobbyist, VFR Private Pilot. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Softphones IAX vs. SIP, remote connectivity.
Nick, Anything helpful in the asterisk or system logs. Try bumping up the debug and verbose levels see what shows up on the console. Weird that it would work inbound and not outbound. Bob... On Thu, 2006-09-07 at 04:48 -0700, Nick Ellson wrote: Hey all, A previous annoyance with not being able to call out to my brother on FWD from my Asterisk system had me thinking that since I have my own PBX, and that system has it's own 1-to-1 static NAT to the internet, I should be able to act as the provider for him or any of my family, and have them as local extensions of my PBX, right? So I took my laptop to work (using the X-Lite SIP softphone) and watch my ACL logs on my router for any denies to my Asterisk box. As expected udp/5060, then once that was open, a series of randomish udp/1+ requests. My phone registered, and I tried to call one of the phones behind a PAP2. Worked first shot, and just as clear and responsive as it was when I was home. But, the phones at home could not call me, they when to voice mail. I had heard that SIP doesn't survive NAT all that well, and that IAX native phones do a better job. My question is, given my description of how I am set up and what I am trying to accomplish, should I be looking at SIP or is IAX a more robust choice? (I was hoping to get video working as well, h.263 I believe it is). Nick ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Softphones IAX vs. SIP, remote connectivity.
Bob, I will up the logs today, have my phone at work with me. (though the Wife and Kids are not up yet ;) Anything specific I should target? Nick -- Nick Ellson CCDA, CCNP, CCSP, CCAI, MCSE 2000, Security+, Network+ Network Hobbyist, VFR Private Pilot. On Thu, 7 Sep 2006, Bob Chiodini wrote: Nick, Anything helpful in the asterisk or system logs. Try bumping up the debug and verbose levels see what shows up on the console. Weird that it would work inbound and not outbound. Bob... On Thu, 2006-09-07 at 04:48 -0700, Nick Ellson wrote: Hey all, A previous annoyance with not being able to call out to my brother on FWD from my Asterisk system had me thinking that since I have my own PBX, and that system has it's own 1-to-1 static NAT to the internet, I should be able to act as the provider for him or any of my family, and have them as local extensions of my PBX, right? So I took my laptop to work (using the X-Lite SIP softphone) and watch my ACL logs on my router for any denies to my Asterisk box. As expected udp/5060, then once that was open, a series of randomish udp/1+ requests. My phone registered, and I tried to call one of the phones behind a PAP2. Worked first shot, and just as clear and responsive as it was when I was home. But, the phones at home could not call me, they when to voice mail. I had heard that SIP doesn't survive NAT all that well, and that IAX native phones do a better job. My question is, given my description of how I am set up and what I am trying to accomplish, should I be looking at SIP or is IAX a more robust choice? (I was hoping to get video working as well, h.263 I believe it is). Nick ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Softphones IAX vs. SIP, remote connectivity.
Nick,I have done what you are talking about as far as being a provider for family members. I used an IAX softphone mainly to eliminate the need for so many holes in the firewall. And secondly because the idefisk IAX softphone allowed me to extract the zip version, configure the phone, and zip the folder up and email it to my family members. So for my mom it was simply unzip the folder and On 9/7/06, Nick Ellson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob,I will up the logs today, have my phone at work with me. (though the Wifeand Kids are not up yet ;)Anything specific I should target?Nick--Nick EllsonCCDA, CCNP, CCSP, CCAI, MCSE 2000, Security+, Network+Network Hobbyist, VFR Private Pilot.On Thu, 7 Sep 2006, Bob Chiodini wrote: Nick, Anything helpful in the asterisk or system logs. Try bumping up the debug and verbose levels see what shows up on the console. Weird that it would work inbound and not outbound. Bob... On Thu, 2006-09-07 at 04:48 -0700, Nick Ellson wrote: Hey all, A previous annoyance with not being able to call out to my brother on FWD from my Asterisk system had me thinking that since I have my own PBX, and that system has it's own 1-to-1 static NAT to the internet, I should be able to act as the provider for him or any of my family, and have them as local extensions of my PBX, right? So I took my laptop to work (using the X-Lite SIP softphone) and watch my ACL logs on my router for any denies to my Asterisk box. As expected udp/5060, then once that was open, a series of randomish udp/1+ requests. My phone registered, and I tried to call one of the phones behind a PAP2. Worked first shot, and just as clear and responsive as it was when I was home. But, the phones at home could not call me, they when to voice mail. I had heard that SIP doesn't survive NAT all that well, and that IAX native phones do a better job. My question is, given my description of how I am set up and what I am trying to accomplish, should I be looking at SIP or is IAX a more robust choice? (I was hoping to get video working as well, h.263 I believe it is). Nick ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___--Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com --asterisk-users mailing listTo UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- BruceNortex Networks ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Softphones IAX vs. SIP, remote connectivity.
Bruce, I *just* tested the XtremePhone, IAX2 softphone. Other than trying to figure out how to get it to send proper CallerID to the other phones, it worked right off, in both directions. Excellent! Perhaps working the IAX2 angle will be less of a hassle, I will go looking for one that does video now. Maybe it's time to buy an IAX2-ATA adaptor and see how well that works over the net. Nick As for the SIP logs, I start Asterisk with -c already, I did a sip debug and tried my call from the house to my remote SIP phone. YIKES!! Gunna take a bit to understand all that, but I think I did see an INVITE, and a CANCEL twice in a row and I did not hit the hang-up switch. So that might explain why no connection is made, and the called gets my voice-mail (according to my wife) -- Nick Ellson CCDA, CCNP, CCSP, CCAI, MCSE 2000, Security+, Network+ Network Hobbyist, VFR Private Pilot. On Thu, 7 Sep 2006, Bruce Reeves wrote: Nick, I have done what you are talking about as far as being a provider for family members. I used an IAX softphone mainly to eliminate the need for so many holes in the firewall. And secondly because the idefisk IAX softphone allowed me to extract the zip version, configure the phone, and zip the folder up and email it to my family members. So for my mom it was simply unzip the folder and On 9/7/06, Nick Ellson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob, I will up the logs today, have my phone at work with me. (though the Wife and Kids are not up yet ;) Anything specific I should target? Nick -- Nick Ellson CCDA, CCNP, CCSP, CCAI, MCSE 2000, Security+, Network+ Network Hobbyist, VFR Private Pilot. On Thu, 7 Sep 2006, Bob Chiodini wrote: Nick, Anything helpful in the asterisk or system logs. Try bumping up the debug and verbose levels see what shows up on the console. Weird that it would work inbound and not outbound. Bob... On Thu, 2006-09-07 at 04:48 -0700, Nick Ellson wrote: Hey all, A previous annoyance with not being able to call out to my brother on FWD from my Asterisk system had me thinking that since I have my own PBX, and that system has it's own 1-to-1 static NAT to the internet, I should be able to act as the provider for him or any of my family, and have them as local extensions of my PBX, right? So I took my laptop to work (using the X-Lite SIP softphone) and watch my ACL logs on my router for any denies to my Asterisk box. As expected udp/5060, then once that was open, a series of randomish udp/1+ requests. My phone registered, and I tried to call one of the phones behind a PAP2. Worked first shot, and just as clear and responsive as it was when I was home. But, the phones at home could not call me, they when to voice mail. I had heard that SIP doesn't survive NAT all that well, and that IAX native phones do a better job. My question is, given my description of how I am set up and what I am trying to accomplish, should I be looking at SIP or is IAX a more robust choice? (I was hoping to get video working as well, h.263 I believe it is). Nick ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- Bruce Nortex Networks ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [asterisk-users] Softphones IAX vs. SIP, remote connectivity.
Hi Guys I too am trying to do exactly the same thing in being a provider for family members. My Asterisk server is on a public ip, my home is behind a Watchguard Firebox, my job is also behind a Firebox. I am using a combination of Cisco 7960, Linksys 941 and XTEN Softphone. Sometimes it works and sometimes it does not. You idea on using a IAX2 softphone appears to be what will solve my problem. Thanks very much Post more ideas. 'preciate it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Ellson Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 9:07 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Softphones IAX vs. SIP, remote connectivity. Bruce, I *just* tested the XtremePhone, IAX2 softphone. Other than trying to figure out how to get it to send proper CallerID to the other phones, it worked right off, in both directions. Excellent! Perhaps working the IAX2 angle will be less of a hassle, I will go looking for one that does video now. Maybe it's time to buy an IAX2-ATA adaptor and see how well that works over the net. Nick As for the SIP logs, I start Asterisk with -c already, I did a sip debug and tried my call from the house to my remote SIP phone. YIKES!! Gunna take a bit to understand all that, but I think I did see an INVITE, and a CANCEL twice in a row and I did not hit the hang-up switch. So that might explain why no connection is made, and the called gets my voice-mail (according to my wife) -- Nick Ellson CCDA, CCNP, CCSP, CCAI, MCSE 2000, Security+, Network+ Network Hobbyist, VFR Private Pilot. On Thu, 7 Sep 2006, Bruce Reeves wrote: Nick, I have done what you are talking about as far as being a provider for family members. I used an IAX softphone mainly to eliminate the need for so many holes in the firewall. And secondly because the idefisk IAX softphone allowed me to extract the zip version, configure the phone, and zip the folder up and email it to my family members. So for my mom it was simply unzip the folder and On 9/7/06, Nick Ellson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob, I will up the logs today, have my phone at work with me. (though the Wife and Kids are not up yet ;) Anything specific I should target? Nick -- Nick Ellson CCDA, CCNP, CCSP, CCAI, MCSE 2000, Security+, Network+ Network Hobbyist, VFR Private Pilot. On Thu, 7 Sep 2006, Bob Chiodini wrote: Nick, Anything helpful in the asterisk or system logs. Try bumping up the debug and verbose levels see what shows up on the console. Weird that it would work inbound and not outbound. Bob... On Thu, 2006-09-07 at 04:48 -0700, Nick Ellson wrote: Hey all, A previous annoyance with not being able to call out to my brother on FWD from my Asterisk system had me thinking that since I have my own PBX, and that system has it's own 1-to-1 static NAT to the internet, I should be able to act as the provider for him or any of my family, and have them as local extensions of my PBX, right? So I took my laptop to work (using the X-Lite SIP softphone) and watch my ACL logs on my router for any denies to my Asterisk box. As expected udp/5060, then once that was open, a series of randomish udp/1+ requests. My phone registered, and I tried to call one of the phones behind a PAP2. Worked first shot, and just as clear and responsive as it was when I was home. But, the phones at home could not call me, they when to voice mail. I had heard that SIP doesn't survive NAT all that well, and that IAX native phones do a better job. My question is, given my description of how I am set up and what I am trying to accomplish, should I be looking at SIP or is IAX a more robust choice? (I was hoping to get video working as well, h.263 I believe it is). Nick ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- Bruce Nortex Networks ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Softphones IAX vs. SIP, remote connectivity.
Micheal,I do this with the zip version of idefisk avaliable here : http://asteriskguru.com/tools/idefisk_windows.phpI download and extract the files the run the phone and configure the settings and the speed dials, all of which is stored in the folder with the application. I then zip it up and email it with instructions to unzip and run the program. Works great on my thumb drive also. On 9/7/06, Ferguson, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bruce, How do you go about accomplishing configuring the phone, zipping it up and sending it over to your family? Thanks From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Bruce ReevesSent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 8:37 AMTo: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial DiscussionSubject: Re: [asterisk-users] Softphones IAX vs. SIP, remote connectivity. Nick,I have done what you are talking about as far as being a provider for family members. I used an IAX softphone mainly to eliminate the need for so many holes in the firewall. And secondly because the idefisk IAX softphone allowed me to extract the zip version, configure the phone, and zip the folder up and email it to my family members. So for my mom it was simply unzip the folder and On 9/7/06, Nick Ellson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob,I will up the logs today, have my phone at work with me. (though the Wifeand Kids are not up yet ;)Anything specific I should target?Nick--Nick EllsonCCDA, CCNP, CCSP, CCAI, MCSE 2000, Security+, Network+Network Hobbyist, VFR Private Pilot.On Thu, 7 Sep 2006, Bob Chiodini wrote: Nick, Anything helpful in the asterisk or system logs. Try bumping up the debug and verbose levels see what shows up on the console. Weird that it would work inbound and not outbound. Bob... On Thu, 2006-09-07 at 04:48 -0700, Nick Ellson wrote: Hey all, A previous annoyance with not being able to call out to my brother on FWD from my Asterisk system had me thinking that since I have my own PBX, and that system has it's own 1-to-1 static NAT to the internet, I should be able to act as the provider for him or any of my family, and have them as local extensions of my PBX, right? So I took my laptop to work (using the X-Lite SIP softphone) and watch my ACL logs on my router for any denies to my Asterisk box. As expected udp/5060, then once that was open, a series of randomish udp/1+ requests. My phone registered, and I tried to call one of the phones behind a PAP2. Worked first shot, and just as clear and responsive as it was when I was home. But, the phones at home could not call me, they when to voice mail. I had heard that SIP doesn't survive NAT all that well, and that IAX native phones do a better job. My question is, given my description of how I am set up and what I am trying to accomplish, should I be looking at SIP or is IAX a more robust choice? (I was hoping to get video working as well, h.263 I believe it is). Nick ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___--Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com --asterisk-users mailing listTo UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- BruceNortex Networks ___--Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing listTo UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users-- BruceNortex Networks ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [asterisk-users] Softphones IAX vs. SIP, remote connectivity.
Thanks but question! In this folder I see: the original Zip file i downloaded - idefisk137.zip addressbook.conf idefisk.conf hostory.txt iaxclient.dll Idefiskmanual.htm idefisk.exe Using Wordpad, I opened addressbook.conf and idefisk.conf but saw no reference to the IP address of my Asterisk server. Where is this info included in the zip file you sent or did you folks have to do the actual config of the softphone? Thanks again From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce ReevesSent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 1:46 PMTo: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial DiscussionSubject: Re: [asterisk-users] Softphones IAX vs. SIP, remote connectivity. Micheal,I do this with the zip version of idefisk avaliable here : http://asteriskguru.com/tools/idefisk_windows.phpI download and extract the files the run the phone and configure the settings and the speed dials, all of which is stored in the folder with the application. I then zip it up and email it with instructions to unzip and run the program. Works great on my thumb drive also. On 9/7/06, Ferguson, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bruce, How do you go about accomplishing configuring the phone, zipping it up and sending it over to your family? Thanks From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Bruce ReevesSent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 8:37 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial DiscussionSubject: Re: [asterisk-users] Softphones IAX vs. SIP, remote connectivity. Nick,I have done what you are talking about as far as being a provider for family members. I used an IAX softphone mainly to eliminate the need for so many holes in the firewall. And secondly because the idefisk IAX softphone allowed me to extract the zip version, configure the phone, and zip the folder up and email it to my family members. So for my mom it was simply unzip the folder and On 9/7/06, Nick Ellson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob,I will up the logs today, have my phone at work with me. (though the Wifeand Kids are not up yet ;)Anything specific I should target?Nick--Nick EllsonCCDA, CCNP, CCSP, CCAI, MCSE 2000, Security+, Network+Network Hobbyist, VFR Private Pilot.On Thu, 7 Sep 2006, Bob Chiodini wrote: Nick, Anything helpful in the asterisk or system logs. Try bumping up the debug and verbose levels see what shows up on the console. Weird that it would work inbound and not outbound. Bob... On Thu, 2006-09-07 at 04:48 -0700, Nick Ellson wrote: Hey all, A previous annoyance with not being able to call out to my brother on FWD from my Asterisk system had me thinking that since I have my own PBX, and that system has it's own 1-to-1 static NAT to the internet, I should be able to act as the provider for him or any of my family, and have them as local extensions of my PBX, right? So I took my laptop to work (using the X-Lite SIP softphone) and watch my ACL logs on my router for any denies to my Asterisk box. As expected udp/5060, then once that was open, a series of randomish udp/1+ requests. My phone registered, and I tried to call one of the phones behind a PAP2. Worked first shot, and just as clear and responsive as it was when I was home. But, the phones at home could not call me, they when to voice mail. I had heard that SIP doesn't survive NAT all that well, and that IAX native phones do a better job. My question is, given my description of how I am set up and what I am trying to accomplish, should I be looking at SIP or is IAX a more robust choice? (I was hoping to get video working as well, h.263 I believe it is). Nick ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___--Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com --asterisk-users mailing listTo UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users-- BruceNortex Networks ___--Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing listTo UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users-- BruceNortex Networks ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [asterisk-users] Softphones IAX vs. SIP, remote connectivity.
Hello Michael, I just had both Mom and my brother up as extensions on my Asterisk pbx using IAX2, the Cubix phone for now, but I downloaded and tried several. I loke multiple lines, but a clean GUI is better for my family.. Oh yeah, it worked flawlessly :) I open one port to my server udp/4569 and that was it. I shut the rest off. For remote family, IAX2 will be what I use right now. Anybody see a Video capable version for Windows? The MAC has one, darn it. Nick -- Nick Ellson CCDA, CCNP, CCSP, CCAI, MCSE 2000, Security+, Network+ Network Hobbyist, VFR Private Pilot. On Thu, 7 Sep 2006, Ferguson, Michael wrote: Hi Guys I too am trying to do exactly the same thing in being a provider for family members. My Asterisk server is on a public ip, my home is behind a Watchguard Firebox, my job is also behind a Firebox. I am using a combination of Cisco 7960, Linksys 941 and XTEN Softphone. Sometimes it works and sometimes it does not. You idea on using a IAX2 softphone appears to be what will solve my problem. Thanks very much Post more ideas. 'preciate it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Ellson Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 9:07 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Softphones IAX vs. SIP, remote connectivity. Bruce, I *just* tested the XtremePhone, IAX2 softphone. Other than trying to figure out how to get it to send proper CallerID to the other phones, it worked right off, in both directions. Excellent! Perhaps working the IAX2 angle will be less of a hassle, I will go looking for one that does video now. Maybe it's time to buy an IAX2-ATA adaptor and see how well that works over the net. Nick As for the SIP logs, I start Asterisk with -c already, I did a sip debug and tried my call from the house to my remote SIP phone. YIKES!! Gunna take a bit to understand all that, but I think I did see an INVITE, and a CANCEL twice in a row and I did not hit the hang-up switch. So that might explain why no connection is made, and the called gets my voice-mail (according to my wife) -- Nick Ellson CCDA, CCNP, CCSP, CCAI, MCSE 2000, Security+, Network+ Network Hobbyist, VFR Private Pilot. On Thu, 7 Sep 2006, Bruce Reeves wrote: Nick, I have done what you are talking about as far as being a provider for family members. I used an IAX softphone mainly to eliminate the need for so many holes in the firewall. And secondly because the idefisk IAX softphone allowed me to extract the zip version, configure the phone, and zip the folder up and email it to my family members. So for my mom it was simply unzip the folder and On 9/7/06, Nick Ellson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob, I will up the logs today, have my phone at work with me. (though the Wife and Kids are not up yet ;) Anything specific I should target? Nick -- Nick Ellson CCDA, CCNP, CCSP, CCAI, MCSE 2000, Security+, Network+ Network Hobbyist, VFR Private Pilot. On Thu, 7 Sep 2006, Bob Chiodini wrote: Nick, Anything helpful in the asterisk or system logs. Try bumping up the debug and verbose levels see what shows up on the console. Weird that it would work inbound and not outbound. Bob... On Thu, 2006-09-07 at 04:48 -0700, Nick Ellson wrote: Hey all, A previous annoyance with not being able to call out to my brother on FWD from my Asterisk system had me thinking that since I have my own PBX, and that system has it's own 1-to-1 static NAT to the internet, I should be able to act as the provider for him or any of my family, and have them as local extensions of my PBX, right? So I took my laptop to work (using the X-Lite SIP softphone) and watch my ACL logs on my router for any denies to my Asterisk box. As expected udp/5060, then once that was open, a series of randomish udp/1+ requests. My phone registered, and I tried to call one of the phones behind a PAP2. Worked first shot, and just as clear and responsive as it was when I was home. But, the phones at home could not call me, they when to voice mail. I had heard that SIP doesn't survive NAT all that well, and that IAX native phones do a better job. My question is, given my description of how I am set up and what I am trying to accomplish, should I be looking at SIP or is IAX a more robust choice? (I was hoping to get video working as well, h.263 I believe it is). Nick ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- Bruce
RE: [asterisk-users] Softphones IAX vs. SIP, remote connectivity.
You need to MAKE a sample config by configuring your phone first, then ya get a nice little .xml config file you can batch tweak. :) That's what I found out. -- Nick Ellson CCDA, CCNP, CCSP, CCAI, MCSE 2000, Security+, Network+ Network Hobbyist, VFR Private Pilot. On Thu, 7 Sep 2006, Ferguson, Michael wrote: Thanks but question! In this folder I see: the original Zip file i downloaded - idefisk137.zip addressbook.conf idefisk.conf hostory.txt iaxclient.dll Idefiskmanual.htm idefisk.exe Using Wordpad, I opened addressbook.conf and idefisk.conf but saw no reference to the IP address of my Asterisk server. Where is this info included in the zip file you sent or did you folks have to do the actual config of the softphone? Thanks again From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce Reeves Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 1:46 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Softphones IAX vs. SIP, remote connectivity. Micheal, I do this with the zip version of idefisk avaliable here : http://asteriskguru.com/tools/idefisk_windows.php I download and extract the files the run the phone and configure the settings and the speed dials, all of which is stored in the folder with the application. I then zip it up and email it with instructions to unzip and run the program. Works great on my thumb drive also. On 9/7/06, Ferguson, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bruce, How do you go about accomplishing configuring the phone, zipping it up and sending it over to your family? Thanks From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce Reeves Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 8:37 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Softphones IAX vs. SIP, remote connectivity. Nick, I have done what you are talking about as far as being a provider for family members. I used an IAX softphone mainly to eliminate the need for so many holes in the firewall. And secondly because the idefisk IAX softphone allowed me to extract the zip version, configure the phone, and zip the folder up and email it to my family members. So for my mom it was simply unzip the folder and On 9/7/06, Nick Ellson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob, I will up the logs today, have my phone at work with me. (though the Wife and Kids are not up yet ;) Anything specific I should target? Nick -- Nick Ellson CCDA, CCNP, CCSP, CCAI, MCSE 2000, Security+, Network+ Network Hobbyist, VFR Private Pilot. On Thu, 7 Sep 2006, Bob Chiodini wrote: Nick, Anything helpful in the asterisk or system logs. Try bumping up the debug and verbose levels see what shows up on the console. Weird that it would work inbound and not outbound. Bob... On Thu, 2006-09-07 at 04:48 -0700, Nick Ellson wrote: Hey all, A previous annoyance with not being able to call out to my brother on FWD from my Asterisk system had me thinking that since I have my own PBX, and that system has it's own 1-to-1 static NAT to the internet, I should be able to act as the provider for him or any of my family, and have them as local extensions of my PBX, right? So I took my laptop to work (using the X-Lite SIP softphone) and watch my ACL logs on my router for any denies to my Asterisk box. As expected udp/5060, then once that was open, a series of randomish udp/1+ requests. My phone registered, and I tried to call one of the phones behind a PAP2. Worked first shot, and just as clear and responsive as it was when I was home. But, the phones at home could not call me, they when to voice mail. I had heard that SIP doesn't survive NAT all that well, and that IAX native phones do a better job. My question is, given my description of how I am set up and what I am trying to accomplish, should I be looking at SIP or is IAX a more robust choice? (I was hoping to get video working as well, h.263 I believe it is). Nick
RE: [asterisk-users] Softphones IAX vs. SIP, remote connectivity.
Great. Thanks very much -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Ellson Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 2:43 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: RE: [asterisk-users] Softphones IAX vs. SIP, remote connectivity. You need to MAKE a sample config by configuring your phone first, then ya get a nice little .xml config file you can batch tweak. :) That's what I found out. -- Nick Ellson CCDA, CCNP, CCSP, CCAI, MCSE 2000, Security+, Network+ Network Hobbyist, VFR Private Pilot. On Thu, 7 Sep 2006, Ferguson, Michael wrote: Thanks but question! In this folder I see: the original Zip file i downloaded - idefisk137.zip addressbook.conf idefisk.conf hostory.txt iaxclient.dll Idefiskmanual.htm idefisk.exe Using Wordpad, I opened addressbook.conf and idefisk.conf but saw no reference to the IP address of my Asterisk server. Where is this info included in the zip file you sent or did you folks have to do the actual config of the softphone? Thanks again From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce Reeves Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 1:46 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Softphones IAX vs. SIP, remote connectivity. Micheal, I do this with the zip version of idefisk avaliable here : http://asteriskguru.com/tools/idefisk_windows.php I download and extract the files the run the phone and configure the settings and the speed dials, all of which is stored in the folder with the application. I then zip it up and email it with instructions to unzip and run the program. Works great on my thumb drive also. On 9/7/06, Ferguson, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bruce, How do you go about accomplishing configuring the phone, zipping it up and sending it over to your family? Thanks From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce Reeves Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 8:37 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Softphones IAX vs. SIP, remote connectivity. Nick, I have done what you are talking about as far as being a provider for family members. I used an IAX softphone mainly to eliminate the need for so many holes in the firewall. And secondly because the idefisk IAX softphone allowed me to extract the zip version, configure the phone, and zip the folder up and email it to my family members. So for my mom it was simply unzip the folder and On 9/7/06, Nick Ellson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob, I will up the logs today, have my phone at work with me. (though the Wife and Kids are not up yet ;) Anything specific I should target? Nick -- Nick Ellson CCDA, CCNP, CCSP, CCAI, MCSE 2000, Security+, Network+ Network Hobbyist, VFR Private Pilot. On Thu, 7 Sep 2006, Bob Chiodini wrote: Nick, Anything helpful in the asterisk or system logs. Try bumping up the debug and verbose levels see what shows up on the console. Weird that it would work inbound and not outbound. Bob... On Thu, 2006-09-07 at 04:48 -0700, Nick Ellson wrote: Hey all, A previous annoyance with not being able to call out to my brother on FWD from my Asterisk system had me thinking that since I have my own PBX, and that system has it's own 1-to-1 static NAT to the internet, I should be able to act as the provider for him or any of my family, and have them as local extensions of my PBX, right? So I took my laptop to work (using the X-Lite SIP softphone) and watch my ACL logs on my router for any denies to my Asterisk box. As expected udp/5060, then once that was open, a series of randomish udp/1+ requests. My phone registered, and I tried to call one of the phones behind a PAP2. Worked first shot, and just as clear and responsive as it was when I was home. But, the phones at home could not call me, they when to voice mail. I had heard that SIP doesn't survive NAT all that well, and that IAX native phones do a better job. My question is, given my description of how I am set up
Re: [asterisk-users] Softphones IAX vs. SIP, remote connectivity.
The configuration is done in the softphone, like Nick mentions then you can tweak it with a text editor per individual.On 9/7/06, Ferguson, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks but question! In this folder I see: the original Zip file i downloaded - idefisk137.zip addressbook.conf idefisk.conf hostory.txt iaxclient.dll Idefiskmanual.htm idefisk.exe Using Wordpad, I opened addressbook.conf and idefisk.conf but saw no reference to the IP address of my Asterisk server. Where is this info included in the zip file you sent or did you folks have to do the actual config of the softphone? Thanks again From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Bruce ReevesSent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 1:46 PMTo: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial DiscussionSubject: Re: [asterisk-users] Softphones IAX vs. SIP, remote connectivity. Micheal,I do this with the zip version of idefisk avaliable here : http://asteriskguru.com/tools/idefisk_windows.phpI download and extract the files the run the phone and configure the settings and the speed dials, all of which is stored in the folder with the application. I then zip it up and email it with instructions to unzip and run the program. Works great on my thumb drive also. On 9/7/06, Ferguson, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bruce, How do you go about accomplishing configuring the phone, zipping it up and sending it over to your family? Thanks From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Bruce ReevesSent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 8:37 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial DiscussionSubject: Re: [asterisk-users] Softphones IAX vs. SIP, remote connectivity. Nick,I have done what you are talking about as far as being a provider for family members. I used an IAX softphone mainly to eliminate the need for so many holes in the firewall. And secondly because the idefisk IAX softphone allowed me to extract the zip version, configure the phone, and zip the folder up and email it to my family members. So for my mom it was simply unzip the folder and On 9/7/06, Nick Ellson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob,I will up the logs today, have my phone at work with me. (though the Wifeand Kids are not up yet ;)Anything specific I should target?Nick--Nick EllsonCCDA, CCNP, CCSP, CCAI, MCSE 2000, Security+, Network+Network Hobbyist, VFR Private Pilot.On Thu, 7 Sep 2006, Bob Chiodini wrote: Nick, Anything helpful in the asterisk or system logs. Try bumping up the debug and verbose levels see what shows up on the console. Weird that it would work inbound and not outbound. Bob... On Thu, 2006-09-07 at 04:48 -0700, Nick Ellson wrote: Hey all, A previous annoyance with not being able to call out to my brother on FWD from my Asterisk system had me thinking that since I have my own PBX, and that system has it's own 1-to-1 static NAT to the internet, I should be able to act as the provider for him or any of my family, and have them as local extensions of my PBX, right? So I took my laptop to work (using the X-Lite SIP softphone) and watch my ACL logs on my router for any denies to my Asterisk box. As expected udp/5060, then once that was open, a series of randomish udp/1+ requests. My phone registered, and I tried to call one of the phones behind a PAP2. Worked first shot, and just as clear and responsive as it was when I was home. But, the phones at home could not call me, they when to voice mail. I had heard that SIP doesn't survive NAT all that well, and that IAX native phones do a better job. My question is, given my description of how I am set up and what I am trying to accomplish, should I be looking at SIP or is IAX a more robust choice? (I was hoping to get video working as well, h.263 I believe it is). Nick ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___--Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com --asterisk-users mailing listTo UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- BruceNortex Networks ___--Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing listTo UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- BruceNortex Networks ___--Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing listTo UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com
Re: [asterisk-users] Softphones IAX vs. SIP, remote connectivity.
Which one has video for the mac?On 9/7/06, Nick Ellson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Michael,I just had both Mom and my brother up as extensions on my Asterisk pbxusing IAX2, the Cubix phone for now, but I downloaded and tried several. Iloke multiple lines, but a clean GUI is better for my family.. Oh yeah, it worked flawlessly :)I open one port to my server udp/4569 and that was it. I shut the restoff.For remote family, IAX2 will be what I use right now.Anybody see a Video capable version for Windows? The MAC has one, darn it. Nick--Nick EllsonCCDA, CCNP, CCSP, CCAI,MCSE 2000, Security+, Network+Network Hobbyist, VFR Private Pilot.On Thu, 7 Sep 2006, Ferguson, Michael wrote: Hi Guys I too am trying to do exactly the same thing in being a provider for family members. My Asterisk server is on a public ip, my home is behind a Watchguard Firebox, my job is also behind a Firebox. I am using a combination of Cisco 7960, Linksys 941 and XTEN Softphone. Sometimes it works and sometimes it does not. You idea on using a IAX2 softphone appears to be what will solve my problem. Thanks very much Post more ideas. 'preciate it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Nick Ellson Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 9:07 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Softphones IAX vs. SIP, remote connectivity. Bruce, I *just* tested the XtremePhone, IAX2 softphone. Other than trying to figure out how to get it to send proper CallerID to the other phones, it worked right off, in both directions. Excellent! Perhaps working the IAX2 angle will be less of a hassle, I will go looking for one that does video now. Maybe it's time to buy an IAX2-ATA adaptor and see how well that works over the net. Nick As for the SIP logs, I start Asterisk with -c already, I did a sip debug and tried my call from the house to my remote SIP phone. YIKES!! Gunna take a bit to understand all that, but I think I did see an INVITE, and a CANCEL twice in a row and I did not hit the hang-up switch. So that might explain why no connection is made, and the called gets my voice-mail (according to my wife) -- Nick Ellson CCDA, CCNP, CCSP, CCAI, MCSE 2000, Security+, Network+ Network Hobbyist, VFR Private Pilot. On Thu, 7 Sep 2006, Bruce Reeves wrote: Nick, I have done what you are talking about as far as being a provider for family members. I used an IAX softphone mainly to eliminate the need for so many holes in the firewall. And secondly because the idefisk IAX softphone allowed me to extract the zip version, configure the phone, and zip the folder up and email it to my family members. So for my mom it was simply unzip the folder and On 9/7/06, Nick Ellson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Bob,I will up the logs today, have my phone at work with me. (though the Wife and Kids are not up yet ;)Anything specific I should target?Nick-- Nick EllsonCCDA, CCNP, CCSP, CCAI,MCSE 2000, Security+, Network+Network Hobbyist, VFR Private Pilot.On Thu, 7 Sep 2006, Bob Chiodini wrote: Nick,Anything helpful in the asterisk or system logs.Try bumping up the debug and verbose levels see what shows up on the console.Weird that it would work inbound and not outbound.Bob...On Thu, 2006-09-07 at 04:48 -0700, Nick Ellson wrote: Hey all,A previous annoyance with not being able to call out to my brother onFWDfrom my Asterisk system had me thinking that since I have my own PBX, andthat system has it's own 1-to-1 static NAT to the internet, I shouldbeable to act as the provider for him or any of my family, and have them aslocal extensions of my PBX, right?So I took my laptop to work (using the X-Lite SIP softphone) and watchmy ACL logs on my router for any denies to my Asterisk box. As expectedudp/5060, then once that was open, a series of randomish udp/1+requests. My phone registered, and I tried to call one of the phones behind a PAP2. Worked first shot, and just as clear and responsive asitwas when I was home. But, the phones at home could not call me, theywhen to voice mail.I had heard that SIP doesn't survive NAT all that well, and that IAXnative phones do a better job. My question is, given my description of howI am set up and what I am trying to accomplish, should I be looking atSIPor is IAX a more robust choice? (I was hoping to get video working as well, h.263 I believe it is).Nick ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com --asterisk-users mailing listTo UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com --asterisk-users mailing listTo UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- Bruce Nortex Networks ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk
Re: [asterisk-users] Softphones IAX vs. SIP, remote connectivity.
HUSHshout I think it was called... -- Nick Ellson CCDA, CCNP, CCSP, CCAI, MCSE 2000, Security+, Network+ Network Hobbyist, VFR Private Pilot. On Thu, 7 Sep 2006, Blake Krone wrote: Which one has video for the mac? On 9/7/06, Nick Ellson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Michael, I just had both Mom and my brother up as extensions on my Asterisk pbx using IAX2, the Cubix phone for now, but I downloaded and tried several. I loke multiple lines, but a clean GUI is better for my family.. Oh yeah, it worked flawlessly :) I open one port to my server udp/4569 and that was it. I shut the rest off. For remote family, IAX2 will be what I use right now. Anybody see a Video capable version for Windows? The MAC has one, darn it. Nick -- Nick Ellson CCDA, CCNP, CCSP, CCAI, MCSE 2000, Security+, Network+ Network Hobbyist, VFR Private Pilot. On Thu, 7 Sep 2006, Ferguson, Michael wrote: Hi Guys I too am trying to do exactly the same thing in being a provider for family members. My Asterisk server is on a public ip, my home is behind a Watchguard Firebox, my job is also behind a Firebox. I am using a combination of Cisco 7960, Linksys 941 and XTEN Softphone. Sometimes it works and sometimes it does not. You idea on using a IAX2 softphone appears to be what will solve my problem. Thanks very much Post more ideas. 'preciate it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Ellson Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 9:07 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Softphones IAX vs. SIP, remote connectivity. Bruce, I *just* tested the XtremePhone, IAX2 softphone. Other than trying to figure out how to get it to send proper CallerID to the other phones, it worked right off, in both directions. Excellent! Perhaps working the IAX2 angle will be less of a hassle, I will go looking for one that does video now. Maybe it's time to buy an IAX2-ATA adaptor and see how well that works over the net. Nick As for the SIP logs, I start Asterisk with -c already, I did a sip debug and tried my call from the house to my remote SIP phone. YIKES!! Gunna take a bit to understand all that, but I think I did see an INVITE, and a CANCEL twice in a row and I did not hit the hang-up switch. So that might explain why no connection is made, and the called gets my voice-mail (according to my wife) -- Nick Ellson CCDA, CCNP, CCSP, CCAI, MCSE 2000, Security+, Network+ Network Hobbyist, VFR Private Pilot. On Thu, 7 Sep 2006, Bruce Reeves wrote: Nick, I have done what you are talking about as far as being a provider for family members. I used an IAX softphone mainly to eliminate the need for so many holes in the firewall. And secondly because the idefisk IAX softphone allowed me to extract the zip version, configure the phone, and zip the folder up and email it to my family members. So for my mom it was simply unzip the folder and On 9/7/06, Nick Ellson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob, I will up the logs today, have my phone at work with me. (though the Wife and Kids are not up yet ;) Anything specific I should target? Nick -- Nick Ellson CCDA, CCNP, CCSP, CCAI, MCSE 2000, Security+, Network+ Network Hobbyist, VFR Private Pilot. On Thu, 7 Sep 2006, Bob Chiodini wrote: Nick, Anything helpful in the asterisk or system logs. Try bumping up the debug and verbose levels see what shows up on the console. Weird that it would work inbound and not outbound. Bob... On Thu, 2006-09-07 at 04:48 -0700, Nick Ellson wrote: Hey all, A previous annoyance with not being able to call out to my brother on FWD from my Asterisk system had me thinking that since I have my own PBX, and that system has it's own 1-to-1 static NAT to the internet, I should be able to act as the provider for him or any of my family, and have them as local extensions of my PBX, right? So I took my laptop to work (using the X-Lite SIP softphone) and watch my ACL logs on my router for any denies to my Asterisk box. As expected udp/5060, then once that was open, a series of randomish udp/1+ requests. My phone registered, and I tried to call one of the phones behind a PAP2. Worked first shot, and just as clear and responsive as it was when I was home. But, the phones at home could not call me, they when to voice mail. I had heard that SIP doesn't survive NAT all that well, and that IAX native
RE: [asterisk-users] Softphones IAX vs. SIP, remote connectivity.
Does anyone know off hand which IAX softphone has IM capabilities like XTEN? Thanks From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blake KroneSent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 3:34 PMTo: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial DiscussionSubject: Re: [asterisk-users] Softphones IAX vs. SIP, remote connectivity. Which one has video for the mac? On 9/7/06, Nick Ellson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Michael,I just had both Mom and my brother up as extensions on my Asterisk pbxusing IAX2, the Cubix phone for now, but I downloaded and tried several. Iloke multiple lines, but a clean GUI is better for my family.. Oh yeah, it worked flawlessly :)I open one port to my server udp/4569 and that was it. I shut the restoff.For remote family, IAX2 will be what I use right now.Anybody see a Video capable version for Windows? The MAC has one, darn it. Nick--Nick EllsonCCDA, CCNP, CCSP, CCAI,MCSE 2000, Security+, Network+Network Hobbyist, VFR Private Pilot.On Thu, 7 Sep 2006, Ferguson, Michael wrote: Hi "Guys" I too am trying to do exactly the same thing in being a provider for family members. My Asterisk server is on a public ip, my home is behind a Watchguard Firebox, my job is also behind a Firebox. I am using a combination of Cisco 7960, Linksys 941 and XTEN Softphone. Sometimes it works and sometimes it does not. You idea on using a IAX2 softphone appears to be what will solve my problem. Thanks very much Post more ideas. 'preciate it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Nick Ellson Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 9:07 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Softphones IAX vs. SIP, remote connectivity. Bruce, I *just* tested the XtremePhone, IAX2 softphone. Other than trying to figure out how to get it to send proper CallerID to the other phones, it worked right off, in both directions. Excellent! Perhaps working the IAX2 angle will be less of a hassle, I will go looking for one that does video now. Maybe it's time to buy an IAX2-ATA adaptor and see how well that works over the net. Nick As for the SIP logs, I start Asterisk with -c already, I did a sip debug and tried my call from the house to my remote SIP phone. YIKES!! Gunna take a bit to understand all that, but I think I did see an INVITE, and a CANCEL twice in a row and I did not hit the hang-up switch. So that might explain why no connection is made, and the called gets my voice-mail (according to my wife) -- Nick Ellson CCDA, CCNP, CCSP, CCAI, MCSE 2000, Security+, Network+ Network Hobbyist, VFR Private Pilot. On Thu, 7 Sep 2006, Bruce Reeves wrote: Nick, I have done what you are talking about as far as being a provider for family members. I used an IAX softphone mainly to eliminate the need for so many holes in the firewall. And secondly because the idefisk IAX softphone allowed me to extract the zip version, configure the phone, and zip the folder up and email it to my family members. So for my mom it was simply unzip the folder and On 9/7/06, Nick Ellson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Bob,I will up the logs today, have my phone at work with me. (though the Wife and Kids are not up yet ;)Anything specific I should target?Nick--Nick EllsonCCDA, CCNP, CCSP, CCAI,MCSE 2000, Security+, Network+Network Hobbyist, VFR Private Pilot.On Thu, 7 Sep 2006, Bob Chiodini wrote: Nick,Anything helpful in the asterisk or system logs.Try bumping up the debug and verbose levels see what shows up on the console.Weird that it would work inbound and not outbound.Bob...On Thu, 2006-09-07 at 04:48 -0700, Nick Ellson wrote: Hey all,A previous annoyance with not being able to call out to my brother onFWDfrom my Asterisk system had me thinking that since I have my own PBX, andthat system has it's own 1-to-1 static NAT to the internet, I shouldbeable to act as the provider for him or any of my family, and have them aslocal extensions of my PBX, right?So I took my laptop to work (using the X-Lite SIP softphone) and watchmyACL logs on my router for any denies to my Asterisk box. As expectedudp/5060, then once that was open, a series of randomish udp/1+requests. My phone registered, and I tried to call one of the phones behind a PAP2. Worked first shot, and just as clear and responsive asitwas when I was home. But, the phones at home could not call me, theywhen to voice mail.I had heard that SIP doesn't survive NAT all that well, and that IAXnative phones do a better job. My question is, given my description of howI am set up and what I am trying to accomplish, should I be looking atSIPor is IAX a more robust choice? (I was hoping to get vid
Re: [asterisk-users] Softphones IAX vs. SIP, remote connectivity.
Erm.. I mean LOUDHush and I went to look and the features did not list Video, but the phone was listed in the video softphone section of the catalog search I did. So, I see FullDisclosure with vulnerabilities in IAX2 Video, I see questions asking what happens when you go from SIP video to IAX2.. But I have yet to see a IAX2 video softphone, commercial or otherwise. Is the feature still a bit young? Or maybe to narrow a market? Just not looking forward to setting up SIP again to try out video bewteen relatives over the asterisk server. Nick -- Nick Ellson CCDA, CCNP, CCSP, CCAI, MCSE 2000, Security+, Network+ Network Hobbyist, VFR Private Pilot. On Thu, 7 Sep 2006, Nick Ellson wrote: HUSHshout I think it was called... -- Nick Ellson CCDA, CCNP, CCSP, CCAI, MCSE 2000, Security+, Network+ Network Hobbyist, VFR Private Pilot. On Thu, 7 Sep 2006, Blake Krone wrote: Which one has video for the mac? On 9/7/06, Nick Ellson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Michael, I just had both Mom and my brother up as extensions on my Asterisk pbx using IAX2, the Cubix phone for now, but I downloaded and tried several. I loke multiple lines, but a clean GUI is better for my family.. Oh yeah, it worked flawlessly :) I open one port to my server udp/4569 and that was it. I shut the rest off. For remote family, IAX2 will be what I use right now. Anybody see a Video capable version for Windows? The MAC has one, darn it. Nick -- Nick Ellson CCDA, CCNP, CCSP, CCAI, MCSE 2000, Security+, Network+ Network Hobbyist, VFR Private Pilot. On Thu, 7 Sep 2006, Ferguson, Michael wrote: Hi Guys I too am trying to do exactly the same thing in being a provider for family members. My Asterisk server is on a public ip, my home is behind a Watchguard Firebox, my job is also behind a Firebox. I am using a combination of Cisco 7960, Linksys 941 and XTEN Softphone. Sometimes it works and sometimes it does not. You idea on using a IAX2 softphone appears to be what will solve my problem. Thanks very much Post more ideas. 'preciate it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Ellson Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 9:07 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Softphones IAX vs. SIP, remote connectivity. Bruce, I *just* tested the XtremePhone, IAX2 softphone. Other than trying to figure out how to get it to send proper CallerID to the other phones, it worked right off, in both directions. Excellent! Perhaps working the IAX2 angle will be less of a hassle, I will go looking for one that does video now. Maybe it's time to buy an IAX2-ATA adaptor and see how well that works over the net. Nick As for the SIP logs, I start Asterisk with -c already, I did a sip debug and tried my call from the house to my remote SIP phone. YIKES!! Gunna take a bit to understand all that, but I think I did see an INVITE, and a CANCEL twice in a row and I did not hit the hang-up switch. So that might explain why no connection is made, and the called gets my voice-mail (according to my wife) -- Nick Ellson CCDA, CCNP, CCSP, CCAI, MCSE 2000, Security+, Network+ Network Hobbyist, VFR Private Pilot. On Thu, 7 Sep 2006, Bruce Reeves wrote: Nick, I have done what you are talking about as far as being a provider for family members. I used an IAX softphone mainly to eliminate the need for so many holes in the firewall. And secondly because the idefisk IAX softphone allowed me to extract the zip version, configure the phone, and zip the folder up and email it to my family members. So for my mom it was simply unzip the folder and On 9/7/06, Nick Ellson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob, I will up the logs today, have my phone at work with me. (though the Wife and Kids are not up yet ;) Anything specific I should target? Nick -- Nick Ellson CCDA, CCNP, CCSP, CCAI, MCSE 2000, Security+, Network+ Network Hobbyist, VFR Private Pilot. On Thu, 7 Sep 2006, Bob Chiodini wrote: Nick, Anything helpful in the asterisk or system logs. Try bumping up the debug and verbose levels see what shows up on the console. Weird that it would work inbound and not outbound. Bob... On Thu, 2006-09-07 at 04:48 -0700, Nick Ellson wrote: Hey all, A previous annoyance with not being able to call out to my
Re: Re: [asterisk-users] Softphones IAX vs. SIP, remote connectivity.
On 9/8/06, Nick Ellson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Erm.. I mean LOUDHush and I went to look and the features did not list Video, but the phone was listed in the video softphone section of the catalog search I did. So, I see FullDisclosure with vulnerabilities in IAX2 Video, I see questions asking what happens when you go from SIP video to IAX2.. But I have yet to see a IAX2 video softphone, commercial or otherwise. Is the feature still a bit young? Or maybe to narrow a market? LoudHush does not do video. There is some good news - the iaxclient library that powers LoudHush and most of the other IAX softphones out there is being updated for video by Mihai Balea to support video on Windows, Mac and Linux (see the cvs mailarchive on iaxclient.sourceforge.net). As far as I know there is only one iax client library that does video (a patched version of the iaxclient from Tipic Inc) and that doesn't support Macs. I'm guessing that once the iaxclient library will feature video, some of the softphones using the library will add video capabilities. -- Cristian Draghici http://www.loudhush.ro ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[Asterisk-Users] Softphones and other VOIP PBX's
Background: I've been having some minor issues with our Sipura 841's. Mostly it just relates to them being cheap phones. One of the alternatives to buying new phones was using soft phones. I'm curious what other people are using that works well. I found NCH's SoftPhone Express Talk which is a nice implementation with some decent features. They apparently make a NT based PBX, but I haven't had a chance to play with it for comparison purposes. I did accidentally install their MOH solution, and it's simply amazing. In fact, the MOH solution is nice enough that I'd like to find a way to interface it to *. It does rotations, fades, and text to speech way better then the * solution. Has anyone else seen this or played with it? And for the record, yes I know it's a * forum. We have had * live for 15 months now. It's always good to look over the fence for ideas. Brian Greul Texas Shirt Company www.txshirts.com 713-802-0369 / 713-861-6261 (fax) ASI/343253 ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] SoftPhones: Bad, or just bad QoS?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tzafrir Cohen Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 7:50 AM To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] SoftPhones: Bad, or just bad QoS? On Sun, Jul 17, 2005 at 05:19:05AM -0400, Tom Rymes wrote: [snip] as well as the software, while the Polycoms can be centrally managed via TFTP/FTP/HTTP/HTTPS, etc. You mean: getting close to almost barely good enough to be as managable as a local software? No, I mean, if I have 50 extensions, I can create one config file, arrange it however I need on the server, and manage the 50 phones from my desk via ssh, etc. With softphones, I will have to get up and walk to each desk to change settings if I need to. This is software. Use manageble software. If software means separate setup on each desktop, then don't use it. If you spend that much time on setting up phones, imagine how long it takes you to update other software packages. This is, then, a symptom of a general problem. Sorry, I wasn't aware of a softphone that was easily managed centrally, without resorting to thin clients, and all of their associated expense (can't use linux clients). Which ones are? Tom ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] SoftPhones: Bad, or just bad QoS?
This is software. Use manageble software. If software means separate setup on each desktop, then don't use it. If you spend that much time on setting up phones, imagine how long it takes you to update other software packages. This is, then, a symptom of a general problem. I would like to implement central management in my softphone. What would be the best way to accomplish this ? Currently, all the settings are stored in the registry under HKEY_CURRENT_USER. So, if you use a roaming profile, the settings follow you. I would appreciate people's input on what would be desirable, and I'll try to implement it so it would be more easy to manage. Thanks ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] SoftPhones: Bad, or just bad QoS?
[snip] as well as the software, while the Polycoms can be centrally managed via TFTP/FTP/HTTP/HTTPS, etc. You mean: getting close to almost barely good enough to be as managable as a local software? No, I mean, if I have 50 extensions, I can create one config file, arrange it however I need on the server, and manage the 50 phones from my desk via ssh, etc. With softphones, I will have to get up and walk to each desk to change settings if I need to. Unless your OS has a really really high TCO to manage, those hardware phones are much more of a pain at that point. Again, I think this is true if you have 1-5 phones, but if you have 50+, I think not! This isn't even considering that you might have phones in remote locations, such as one of our branch ofices that is 3+ hours away. Central phone config means that I can make a change at 8:00PM and all of my users will have received it when the offices open in the AM, but softphones means I would have to remind everyone to leave their PCs on so I could remotely change the software config via VNC, and I don't evenknow if I would have to worry about user profiles having different settings, which would introduce another level of complexity. Of course, I could then set up centrally managed PCs, a la LTSP, but that's more of an undertaking than most want! [snip] I agree, your boss will judge the system based on is experience with it. So don't skim on the quality if you want to keep him happy. This is why I think that it is worth the extra $50 or so for the cheaper hardphones. OTOH, there is the false logic that just because you didn't pay enough for it, means its quality is low. For instance, on typical mainframe installation, people spend much more on basically the same thing. This is because they've already payed the 1,000,000$ for the system, and are used to pay a bit more for accesories. Agreed, the you get what you pay for statement isn't always true, but I think it is, at least for most business situations, especially those with lower-tech workers (ie: not Power-users who will learn the special key shorcuts, etc.) [snip] Summary: I'm not sure soft phones are there yet, but I suspect they will be good enough for more and more people. I have to agree with you here, but I also think we'll have to agree to disagree on other points! Basically, it all depends on your situation, but for me, and I think that for most business users, small, medium, or large, the reasonable minor additional cost of a hardphone will be worth it. Tom ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] SoftPhones: Bad, or just bad QoS?
On Sun, Jul 17, 2005 at 05:19:05AM -0400, Tom Rymes wrote: [snip] as well as the software, while the Polycoms can be centrally managed via TFTP/FTP/HTTP/HTTPS, etc. You mean: getting close to almost barely good enough to be as managable as a local software? No, I mean, if I have 50 extensions, I can create one config file, arrange it however I need on the server, and manage the 50 phones from my desk via ssh, etc. With softphones, I will have to get up and walk to each desk to change settings if I need to. This is software. Use manageble software. If software means separate setup on each desktop, then don't use it. If you spend that much time on setting up phones, imagine how long it takes you to update other software packages. This is, then, a symptom of a general problem. -- Tzafrir Cohen | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il | | a Mutt's [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | best ICQ# 16849755 | | friend ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] SoftPhones: Bad, or just bad QoS?
On Sunday 17 July 2005 05:19, Tom Rymes wrote: [snip] away. Central phone config means that I can make a change at 8:00PM and all of my users will have received it when the offices open in the AM, but softphones means I would have to remind everyone to leave their PCs on so I could remotely change the software config via VNC, and I don't You can (often) get around that by having each client automatically check for updates when the user logs in. I had a batch file for each user that looked for a file and then executed it if found. I got a lot of changes done this way. Of course your milage may vary, but it's amazing what you can do with a bit of ingenuity. -- List Manager Network Voice Comunications, Inc. netwvcom.com ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] SoftPhones: Bad, or just bad QoS?
On Jul 14, 2005, at 11:20 PM, Time Bandit wrote: Is the problem that the technology isn't mature, that the load on the computer is too high, or simply that it doesn't work well in a poorly designed network? YMMV. I like the portability of a softphone, but sound may jitter because of other apps running on the computer. Any idea if this applies to Mac OS X clients? We are a strictly Mac company, and OS X's Unix core allows for preemptive multitasking. If I am unhappy with the performance of the soft phones, I should be able to tweak the priority of the phone so that it gets more compute cycles. (Well, in any event, it sounds like I need to set up [EMAIL PROTECTED] and see for myself. But of course I won't be able to easily simulate 20 users on the phone at the same time, so real-world feedback is always appreciated.) I like not only the portability of the soft phone, but the potential hooks into other information systems. My eventual goal is to have incoming calls trigger a query on our main database on the Caller ID supplied phone number. That way a record for that person will open up on a user's computer the moment they receive a call (assuming the numbers match). I also like the integration of OS X's AddressBook with soft phones, so that people can dial right from their main contact list. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] SoftPhones: Bad, or just bad QoS?
Hi! Hi again, folks. I've been getting feedback from this list and elsewhere that softphones are generally not considered good enough for hardcore business use. Can someone point me to where I can find more detail on this debate? - you comp needs to have its speakers turned on in order to transmit the ringing sound; if instead folks use a headset (which they should) then the ringing will most likely be directed to the headphones, and if the user is not constantly wearing his/her headset the incoming call will go un-noticed -- headsets are only good for very frequent callers that wear their headset 8 hours/day. If that is so you want to purchase GOOD headsets, by the way. - you very much depend on the quality of the soundcard and the mic; misconfiguration of the soundcard mixer or a cheap soundcard with extra latency, static, noise from the IDE controller/HDD in the audio etc will make your users unhappy resulting in the statement voip has bad quality Is the problem that the technology isn't mature, that the load on the computer is too high, or simply that it doesn't work well in a poorly designed network? No, it's not that. However you need to manage the softphone configuration, install new releases bug fixes. Soundcards can sometimes introduce echo due to cheap hardware or a bad sound config. And, probably this is the most important point, everyone knows how to use a phone, at least the basic functionality, no need to teach train people on that. With a softphone, however, that is different. And, as others have pointed out, it only works when your comp is a) on, b) doesn't show a bluescreen, and c) is successfully connected to the network. Any time I mention VOIP and network, people tell me to make sure that I have QoS capabilities. If I do, and can tweak it appropriately, will that eliminate (or at least greatly minimize) problems with soft phones? Within your LAN you don't really need QoS if your maximum LAN usage is at around 50% of its capacity. On your Internet router QoS can be a good thing, though, to make sure that your outgoing VoIP traffic is given priority. I am really loathe to rewire my building, and I really have to move to gigabit for unrelated reasons, so I would like to be able to use the single gigabit port in every office to serve both the computer and the phone. That seems to mean either soft phones or putting a small gig hub in every office, no? Except for the recent announcement of 3com to incorporate a Gigabit switch into their IP phone you'd have to have a 100 Mbit/s switch in every office in order to connect the hardware phones. By the way it appears that the 100 Mbit/s switched that are integrated in the hardware phones aren't exactly high quality, so if you need a _fast_ link for your workstation that don't put it behind a hardware voip phone, even if that means more cables. Your other option is, of course, to keep your old PBX with its phones and instead put Asterisk between your PBX and the Internet Telco. That way you save the money for the hardware phones and you have no trouble to convince management to spend money on new phones - because you won't. Anyway, you should only walk that way if your current PBX can deal with digital lines, i.e. PRI (or BRI, which I understand is very uncommon in the US where you appear to be located) so that it can be hooked up to Asterisk. Cheers, Philipp ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] SoftPhones: Bad, or just bad QoS?
Any idea if this applies to Mac OS X clients? We are a strictly Mac company, and OS X's Unix core allows for preemptive multitasking. If I am unhappy with the performance of the soft phones, I should be able to tweak the priority of the phone so that it gets more compute cycles. I don't know about the Mac since I don't have one. Better test it and see for yourself. (Well, in any event, it sounds like I need to set up [EMAIL PROTECTED] and see for myself. But of course I won't be able to easily simulate 20 users on the phone at the same time, so real-world feedback is always appreciated.) It doesn't make a difference for the server if you are using soft or hard phones, so the 20 users on the phone will be the same with one or the other. The difference will be what codecs and/or protocols you are using. I like not only the portability of the soft phone, but the potential hooks into other information systems. My eventual goal is to have incoming calls trigger a query on our main database on the Caller ID supplied phone number. That way a record for that person will open up on a user's computer the moment they receive a call (assuming the numbers match). You don't need a softphone for this, you just need a computer beside the hardphone. Of course, you'll need a program on the computer that can receive the callerID and query the DB (ex.: YAC http://sunflowerhead.com/software/yac/) I also like the integration of OS X's AddressBook with soft phones, so that people can dial right from their main contact list. Some softphones support this, like X-lite, and my softphone (MediaX : http://www.marccharbonneau.com/asterisk/mediaxphone.php but not the current version, only the developpement version) But you can still do this with a hardphone using call files on asterisk and some programming. See http://www.voip-info.org/tiki-index.php?page=Asterisk+auto-dial+out hth ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] SoftPhones: Bad, or just bad QoS?
Ed, There are two main drawbacks to the softphone, as I see it: 1.) User interface - The interface to the softphones is really less than ideal. This includes the problem mentioned earlier about not hearing ringing unless you have your headset on, dialing with the mouse, not having telephone service if your PC isn't on, etc. The traditional telephone interface of handset, dialpad, etc. is utterly pervasive and very simple and user-friendly. You lose that with a softphone. 2.) Quality/Cost - For good softphone quality, you HAVE to use a headset or external USB handset, etc. This is a pain, because users don't always want to use a headset, they want the choice. The other problem is that one of the main advantages of the softphone is that it is cheap, and paying for a good headset reduces that advantage (and you DON'T want to skimp on headsets). The other factor is that softphone quality depends on soundcard quality, etc. As a Mac shop, this ought to be a smaller problem. The other thing to keep in mind is that your users, especially your boss, are going to be judging the Asterisk system, and you performance, based mostly on their interaction with the system. If their main interface to the system is a Cisco 7940G or Polycom 501, they are likely to be impressed because the new system gives them such major benefits, but doesn't require them to use funny computer phones, start up their PC to receive or make a call, etc. If they have to use X-Lite, then their reaction is likely to be This system works well, but I hate that I have to have my PC on, I have to dial with the mouse or numeric keypad, If software update is installing an update voice quality goes to hell, etc. This is not to mention that if you need Gigabit for the file transfers, etc that your computers are doing, then voice quality is likely to go to hell whenever they initiate a major file transfer. To sum up, the common wisdom here seems to be that softphones are great in limited situations (traveling, maybe call centers), but that once you add a quality headset, they aren't much cheaper, and the quality and user experience really suffer. You would be much better off with a Polycom 301, which can be had for about $125, especially if you are buying 60 at once. Also, in you personal situation, I would seriously look to separate your voice LAN from your apparently heavily trafficked data LAN, because QOS and sound quality *could* become a problem on any network port that is handling a major data transfer. Not to mention that you could likely do this on the cheap using your existing cat-3 cables. 10-Mbit switched is more than enough for your VOIP, especially considering that you can send at the very least 24 calls over a 1-Mbit Data T1. Tom On Jul 14, 2005, at 3:49 PM, Ed Pastore wrote: Hi again, folks. I've been getting feedback from this list and elsewhere that softphones are generally not considered good enough for hardcore business use. Can someone point me to where I can find more detail on this debate? Is the problem that the technology isn't mature, that the load on the computer is too high, or simply that it doesn't work well in a poorly designed network? Any time I mention VOIP and network, people tell me to make sure that I have QoS capabilities. If I do, and can tweak it appropriately, will that eliminate (or at least greatly minimize) problems with soft phones? I am really loathe to rewire my building, and I really have to move to gigabit for unrelated reasons, so I would like to be able to use the single gigabit port in every office to serve both the computer and the phone. That seems to mean either soft phones or putting a small gig hub in every office, no? ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] SoftPhones: Bad, or just bad QoS?
On Fri, Jul 15, 2005 at 12:29:00PM -0400, Tom Rymes wrote: Ed, There are two main drawbacks to the softphone, as I see it: 1.) User interface - The interface to the softphones is really less than ideal. This includes the problem mentioned earlier about not hearing ringing unless you have your headset on, dialing with the mouse, dialing with the keypad, actually. Put in a number of shortcuts for common operations, a decent menu for the more complicated operations, etc. not having telephone service if your PC isn't on, etc. The traditional telephone interface of handset, dialpad, etc. is utterly pervasive and very simple and user-friendly. You lose that with a softphone. Actually, it is much easiler to play with the user interface of a soft phone than with the one of a hardware phone. e.g: any hardware gadget managed to imeplement themes? Decent support for history. Decent support for dial history. And the ability for the user to customize it. 2.) Quality/Cost - For good softphone quality, you HAVE to use a headset or external USB handset, etc. This is a pain, because users don't always want to use a headset, they want the choice. The other problem is that one of the main advantages of the softphone is that it is cheap, and paying for a good headset reduces that advantage (and you DON'T want to skimp on headsets). The other factor is that softphone quality depends on soundcard quality, etc. As a Mac shop, this ought to be a smaller problem. A simple headset costs 5$? A lousy (ergonomically-wise) hardware SIP phone costs soewhere between 50$ and 100$. Good phones cost much more. The other thing to keep in mind is that your users, especially your boss, are going to be judging the Asterisk system, and you performance, based mostly on their interaction with the system. If their main interface to the system is a Cisco 7940G or Polycom 501, they are likely to be impressed because the new system gives them such major benefits, but doesn't require them to use funny computer phones, start up their PC to receive or make a call, etc. My desktop computer runs 24h a day. -- Tzafrir Cohen | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il | | a Mutt's [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | best ICQ# 16849755 | | friend ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] SoftPhones: Bad, or just bad QoS?
1.) User interface - The interface to the softphones is really less than ideal. This includes the problem mentioned earlier about not hearing ringing unless you have your headset on, dialing with the mouse, not having telephone service if your PC isn't on, etc. The traditional telephone interface of handset, dialpad, etc. is utterly pervasive and very simple and user-friendly. You lose that with a softphone. Well, not with all softphones. I build mine trying to reproduce my Nortel phone model 9316. Also, I wanted to use the softphone without using the mouse, so I made it so that you can dial with the numeric pad (using / for #), you can pick up a line by pressing F1 for line 1, F2 for line 2, etc. Want to hangup, just press ESC I received a lot of positive comment about it, and most people like the fact that it looks like and behave like a normal phone. 2.) Quality/Cost - For good softphone quality, you HAVE to use a headset or external USB handset, etc. This is a pain, because users don't always want to use a headset, they want the choice. The other problem is that one of the main advantages of the softphone is that it is cheap, and paying for a good headset reduces that advantage (and you DON'T want to skimp on headsets). The other factor is that softphone quality depends on soundcard quality, etc. As a Mac shop, this ought to be a smaller problem. I agree on the point that the quality of the headset and the soundcard makes a huge difference on the quality of the call. But compare the price of a good soudcard/headset with the price of a Cisco phone and you will still have money left to go have a nice meal with your girlfriend. The other thing to keep in mind is that your users, especially your boss, are going to be judging the Asterisk system, and you performance, based mostly on their interaction with the system. If their main interface to the system is a Cisco 7940G or Polycom 501, they are likely to be impressed because the new system gives them such major benefits, but doesn't require them to use funny computer phones, start up their PC to receive or make a call, etc. If they have to use X-Lite, then their reaction is likely to be This system works well, but I hate that I have to have my PC on, I have to dial with the mouse or numeric keypad, If software update is installing an update voice quality goes to hell, etc. This is not to mention that if you need Gigabit for the file transfers, etc that your computers are doing, then voice quality is likely to go to hell whenever they initiate a major file transfer. I agree, your boss will judge the system based on is experience with it. So don't skim on the quality if you want to keep him happy. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] SoftPhones: Bad, or just bad QoS?
On Jul 15, 2005, at 5:00 PM, Time Bandit wrote: 1.) User interface - The interface to the softphones is really less than ideal. This includes the problem mentioned earlier about not hearing ringing unless you have your headset on, dialing with the mouse, not having telephone service if your PC isn't on, etc. The traditional telephone interface of handset, dialpad, etc. is utterly pervasive and very simple and user-friendly. You lose that with a softphone. Well, not with all softphones. I build mine trying to reproduce my Nortel phone model 9316. Also, I wanted to use the softphone without using the mouse, so I made it so that you can dial with the numeric pad (using / for #), you can pick up a line by pressing F1 for line 1, F2 for line 2, etc. Want to hangup, just press ESC I received a lot of positive comment about it, and most people like the fact that it looks like and behave like a normal phone. I'm not trying to insult the interface that you folks put on your software, I was talking about the inherent differences between a physical phone and a virtual one. It is inherently better to pick up the hardphone handset and press the dialpad, rather than jiggle the mouse to wake up your computer/get rid of your screensaver/pull your monitor out of energy saver/ etc, find your headset, put it on, press alt-tab three times to bring the softphone app to the front, and then dial with the numeric keypad or mouse. Personally, omitting any sound quality issues, I think softphones would work well in a call center application, since the people aren't getting up from their desk, idle long enough for their monitor to shut off, or ever using a speakerphone (which you can't really do well with a softphone). However, if you ever get up and away from your desk, even if you fix the ringing sound only playing the headset problem, then you have to worry about rushing back to pick up your ringing phone and going through the whole scenario I was talking about earlier. Even in a call center, I still think that the cost of a Plantronics analog headset only phone and an ATA is a better investment than a softphone and a decent headset. (again, IMNSHO, a $5 headset just doesn't cut it for business use. Calling your girlfriend, maybe, but we want to project a quality, competent image to our customers, not It sounds like you are in a cave. Is there something wrong with your phones? You should really have that checked out! 2.) Quality/Cost - For good softphone quality, you HAVE to use a headset or external USB handset, etc. This is a pain, because users don't always want to use a headset, they want the choice. The other problem is that one of the main advantages of the softphone is that it is cheap, and paying for a good headset reduces that advantage (and you DON'T want to skimp on headsets). The other factor is that softphone quality depends on soundcard quality, etc. As a Mac shop, this ought to be a smaller problem. I agree on the point that the quality of the headset and the soundcard makes a huge difference on the quality of the call. But compare the price of a good soudcard/headset with the price of a Cisco phone and you will still have money left to go have a nice meal with your girlfriend. Agreed, but not if you compare the cost of the soundcard, phone, software install/maintenance, and headset with a $115 Polycom IP301. Don't forget that you have to install all of those soundcards, along with drivers, etc. as well as the software, while the Polycoms can be centrally managed via TFTP/FTP/HTTP/HTTPS, etc. The other thing to keep in mind is that your users, especially your boss, are going to be judging the Asterisk system, and you performance, based mostly on their interaction with the system. If their main interface to the system is a Cisco 7940G or Polycom 501, they are likely to be impressed because the new system gives them such major benefits, but doesn't require them to use funny computer phones, start up their PC to receive or make a call, etc. If they have to use X-Lite, then their reaction is likely to be This system works well, but I hate that I have to have my PC on, I have to dial with the mouse or numeric keypad, If software update is installing an update voice quality goes to hell, etc. This is not to mention that if you need Gigabit for the file transfers, etc that your computers are doing, then voice quality is likely to go to hell whenever they initiate a major file transfer. I agree, your boss will judge the system based on is experience with it. So don't skim on the quality if you want to keep him happy. This is why I think that it is worth the extra $50 or so for the cheaper hardphones. Even go for a budgettone or a Sipura SPA-841 if your budget is too tight for even the PolyCom 301. Install softphones in call centers, maybe, and definitely for occasional remote users and traveling laptops, etc. Do it right. Phones are
[Asterisk-Users] SoftPhones: Bad, or just bad QoS?
Hi again, folks. I've been getting feedback from this list and elsewhere that softphones are generally not considered good enough for hardcore business use. Can someone point me to where I can find more detail on this debate? Is the problem that the technology isn't mature, that the load on the computer is too high, or simply that it doesn't work well in a poorly designed network? Any time I mention VOIP and network, people tell me to make sure that I have QoS capabilities. If I do, and can tweak it appropriately, will that eliminate (or at least greatly minimize) problems with soft phones? I am really loathe to rewire my building, and I really have to move to gigabit for unrelated reasons, so I would like to be able to use the single gigabit port in every office to serve both the computer and the phone. That seems to mean either soft phones or putting a small gig hub in every office, no? ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] SoftPhones: Bad, or just bad QoS?
Actually, most phones come with an ethernet port for the PC as well, so 1 in and 1 out, as to the Gigabit though, that may be a problem, as I'm not sure of any phones with a gig phy, maybe Cisco? Broadcom is making the chips, but I don't know if they are shipping in anything at this time... The main issue with the soft phone is that people expect their phone to work when their PC doesn't... Kinda hard to call tech support that way... Also, I think that unless you are an early adopter, it will probably seem like more of a pain. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Pastore Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 12:50 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: [Asterisk-Users] SoftPhones: Bad, or just bad QoS? Hi again, folks. I've been getting feedback from this list and elsewhere that softphones are generally not considered good enough for hardcore business use. Can someone point me to where I can find more detail on this debate? Is the problem that the technology isn't mature, that the load on the computer is too high, or simply that it doesn't work well in a poorly designed network? Any time I mention VOIP and network, people tell me to make sure that I have QoS capabilities. If I do, and can tweak it appropriately, will that eliminate (or at least greatly minimize) problems with soft phones? I am really loathe to rewire my building, and I really have to move to gigabit for unrelated reasons, so I would like to be able to use the single gigabit port in every office to serve both the computer and the phone. That seems to mean either soft phones or putting a small gig hub in every office, no? ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] SoftPhones: Bad, or just bad QoS?
Hi again, folks. I've been getting feedback from this list and elsewhere that softphones are generally not considered good enough for hardcore business use. Can someone point me to where I can find more detail on this debate? Search the list. there is been a lot of talk on this subject. Try google (with site:lists.digium.com) Is the problem that the technology isn't mature, that the load on the computer is too high, or simply that it doesn't work well in a poorly designed network? YMMV. I like the portability of a softphone, but sound may jitter because of other apps running on the computer. Any time I mention VOIP and network, people tell me to make sure that I have QoS capabilities. If I do, and can tweak it appropriately, will that eliminate (or at least greatly minimize) problems with soft phones? If you are on your LAN, it can help. But remember that when you get on the net, you don't control the equipment. I am really loathe to rewire my building, and I really have to move to gigabit for unrelated reasons, so I would like to be able to use the single gigabit port in every office to serve both the computer and the phone. That seems to mean either soft phones or putting a small gig hub in every office, no? Lots of VoIP phones come with 2 LAN ports : 1 for the LAN and the other to connect the computer. So no need to have a hub. And, avoid hubs, better use a switch. hth ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[Asterisk-Users] softphones and extensions status
Dear All, there is a software phone that shows the extensions status when is registered to Asterisk? Regards, ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[Asterisk-Users] softphones
Hi, can someone tell be about some good and free softphones? Are they easy to use by non-tecnical users? Can someone share their experience about the implementation of VoIP softphones in a company? because usualy people dont want to make changes in the way they work I would like to know a way to convince peaple in my company to use them. Thanks Joao Pereira ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[Asterisk-Users] Softphones connecting to real phones?
I want to be able to make calls on my laptop, and then have an * box, route the call via a proper phone line. Is the above possible?
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Softphones connecting to real phones?
Angel Gabriel wrote: I want to be able to make calls on my laptop, and then have an * box, route the call via a proper phone line. Is the above possible? Yes, assuming the two machines are connected on a network, nothing would be simpler. You'll just need some kind of card in the * box to connect to a phone line. Digium has the XP100P which is made for *. There are supposedly cheap modems that will also do the job. This would be with a software phone. To use a real phone you would need either an ip phone of some kind or an adapter to connect your classic analog phone to the network. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
