Re: [asterisk-users] Astricon people please post the announcement

2008-09-26 Thread Fred Posner



On Sep 25, 2008, at 9:00 PM, Darrick Hartman wrote:


Dean Collins wrote:
I'd also like to know what happens when someone 'chats' to the  
account

connected to the Asterisk server.


Lots of questions about this one.  There's definitely a demand for  
it so
I can see why Digium would be interested in exploring this option.   
Time

will tell how well it will work.  I'm personally not too excited about
bolt-on binaries which are probably not compatible with uClibc (and
therefore Astlinux).  That leaves us in the same place as we are with
codec_g729.  We're at the mercy of whoever creates these binaries to
produce one that will work for us.

Darrick



According to them today, if the user initiates calls with someone  
outside the pbx, it will not go through the pbx. The user can register  
both to skyp and the asterisk also register the user. So, if the user  
initiates contact to another it is peer to peer outside the pbx.

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Re: [asterisk-users] Astricon people please post the announcement

2008-09-26 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 05:25:52PM -0700, Fred Posner wrote:
 
 
 
 On Sep 25, 2008, at 11:06 AM, Steve Anness wrote:
 
 So what a minute.  They will charge us to use Skype with our Asterisk
 servers?  Yes, I think I shall move along.
 
 Steve
 
 
 I talked with both Skype and Digium today at Astricon for a while on  
 this... it's actually going to be amazing. The license for Skype will  
 be the same way you license g.729. So yes, it's not free... but you're  
 only paying for in use channel capabilities... 

There are already a number of such Skype connectors. Some of them claim
to be free (that is: no charge). Some of them take money. I'm not sure
if Skype/eBay sees any of that. They tend to at least bend Skype's
license if not break it completely (e.g: run a client in a XNest server
is a common trick to work around the requirement in the license of the
Skype API for an interactive client).

So now that we have a blessed client for which Skype/eBay gets payed,
what happens to those others? Will they still be legal? 

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Re: [asterisk-users] Astricon people please post the announcement

2008-09-26 Thread Dinesh Nair
On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 18:00:00 +0100, Tim Panton wrote:

 It's essentially a channel driver.
 Licensed per channel in the same way that the  g729 codec is.

which would mean that us freebsd folks are going to be left out. oh well.

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Re: [asterisk-users] Astricon people please post the announcement

2008-09-26 Thread Grygoriy Dobrovolskyy
I have tryed skip2pbx 580€ yeastar 60 €, the quality is the way behind of a
good sip provider, thay are simply not suitable for business, i hope it
would not be the case of asterisk addon. Also i wonder if skype auto relay
will be disabled (bandwith), wait and see...
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Re: [asterisk-users] Astricon people please post the announcement

2008-09-26 Thread Tim Panton

On 26 Sep 2008, at 11:17, Grygoriy Dobrovolskyy wrote:

 I have tryed skip2pbx 580€ yeastar 60 €, the quality is the way  
 behind of a good sip provider, thay are simply not suitable for  
 business, i hope it would not be the case of asterisk addon. Also i  
 wonder if skype auto relay will be disabled (bandwith), wait and  
 see...

The Asterisk team said that
a) the skype for asterisk code does not act as a supernode - i.e. it  
only routes traffic
for local users, this was one of their requirements.
b) they _think_ that in the case where both ends of a skype to skype  
call are 'local'
the huge majority of the bandwidth remains local.
c) there will be configuration options controlling which of the  
transport methods skype
for asterisk will use. So you can disable skype over port 443 if you  
want to ensure that port is
available for your ssl webserver (for example)

Tim.
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Re: [asterisk-users] Astricon people please post the announcement

2008-09-26 Thread Tim Panton

On 26 Sep 2008, at 04:36, Dean Collins wrote:

 I'd also like to know what happens when someone 'chats' to the account
 connected to the Asterisk server.

I asked Mark about that.
They expect to have text to work right, when associated with a voice  
call.
It is less clear what happens it it is _just_ a text session.

Olle tells me that 1.6 can do text only calls (he's been working on an
asterisk for the deaf project) so there is a decent chance they will  
get it to work.

Tim.

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Re: [asterisk-users] Astricon people please post the announcement

2008-09-26 Thread randulo
Get Olle to call in for once in his life!

Mark did say IM and video, IM first. It's all gonna happen. (just not
right away)

On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 3:34 PM, Tim Panton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 26 Sep 2008, at 04:36, Dean Collins wrote:

 I'd also like to know what happens when someone 'chats' to the account
 connected to the Asterisk server.

 I asked Mark about that.
 They expect to have text to work right, when associated with a voice
 call.
 It is less clear what happens it it is _just_ a text session.

 Olle tells me that 1.6 can do text only calls (he's been working on an
 asterisk for the deaf project) so there is a decent chance they will
 get it to work.

 Tim.

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Re: [asterisk-users] Astricon people please post the announcement

2008-09-26 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 03:44:01PM +0200, randulo wrote:
 Get Olle to call in for once in his life!
 
 Mark did say IM and video, IM first. It's all gonna happen. (just not
 right away)

On the topic of #pidgin they say, amomng others, Pidgin does NOT
support voice or video. Likewise we should state on #asterisk Asterisk
does NOT support text chats.

There are some awkward methods for sending some text messages over some
channels (SMS in european POTS, SIMPLE and simpler texxt messages in
SIP, XMMP for Jingle, and well, probably nothing in IAX. Bristuff ads
even a few more bits there).

But do we actually care routing those messages from one place to
another?

This is a major limitation of Asterisk for me. Text messages require
much lower a bandwith and a text connection is much easier to setup.
Hence it can work even when a voip connection is lousy. 

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Re: [asterisk-users] Astricon people please post the announcement

2008-09-26 Thread Grygoriy Dobrovolskyy
2008/9/26 randulo [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Get Olle to call in for once in his life!

 Mark did say IM and video, IM first. It's all gonna happen. (just not
 right away)


 http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users


Video ? that could be really nice but limited to pc/macasteriskwhatever.
There are tonns of 3G phones on the market, so why not to adapt software fot
the videocalls over wifi ? such a client is my dream for about a year, and i
dont care it it would be a skype or else. A new product for that purpose is
not a solution, but adapting software to existing 3G phones will open a HUGE
market recently created and closed for 3G operators w/licence. Any
suggestions ?
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Re: [asterisk-users] Astricon people please post the announcement

2008-09-26 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 11:59:35AM +0300, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
 On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 05:25:52PM -0700, Fred Posner wrote:
  
  
  
  On Sep 25, 2008, at 11:06 AM, Steve Anness wrote:
  
  So what a minute.  They will charge us to use Skype with our Asterisk
  servers?  Yes, I think I shall move along.
  
  Steve
  
  
  I talked with both Skype and Digium today at Astricon for a while on  
  this... it's actually going to be amazing. The license for Skype will  
  be the same way you license g.729. So yes, it's not free... but you're  
  only paying for in use channel capabilities... 
 
 There are already a number of such Skype connectors. Some of them claim
 to be free (that is: no charge). Some of them take money. I'm not sure
 if Skype/eBay sees any of that. They tend to at least bend Skype's
 license if not break it completely (e.g: run a client in a XNest server
 is a common trick to work around the requirement in the license of the
 Skype API for an interactive client).
 
 So now that we have a blessed client for which Skype/eBay gets payed,
 what happens to those others? Will they still be legal? 

I wonder if http://narod.ru/disk/2812178000/asterisk-skype.gz.html is
legal.

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Re: [asterisk-users] Astricon people please post the announcement

2008-09-26 Thread Kevin P. Fleming
Brian J. Murrell wrote:

 And so will this channel driver also allow Skype to use my resources
 (CPU, bandwidth -- i.e. Internet for which many have usage caps, etc.)
 the way the Skype client does?

The Skype engine in Skype For Asterisk does not currently have 'relay'
support, so it does not route calls or media any calls that it is not
involved in. However, this will be present in the production release of
the product, but when it appears we will also document its behavior and
the configuration options that can be used to control it.

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Re: [asterisk-users] Astricon people please post the announcement

2008-09-26 Thread Jay R. Ashworth
- Tzafrir Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 There are some awkward methods for sending some text messages oversome
 channels (SMS in european POTS, SIMPLE and simpler texxt messages in
 SIP, XMMP for Jingle, and well, probably nothing in IAX. Bristuff ads
 even a few more bits there).
 
 But do we actually care routing those messages from one place to
 another?
 
 This is a major limitation of Asterisk for me. Text messages require
 much lower a bandwith and a text connection is much easier to setup.
 Hence it can work even when a voip connection is lousy. 

The specific thing here (that makes handling text messages within the 
framework of the more complicated protocol attractive) is *addressibility*.

If you already have a path to someone, why should you be forced to *discover* 
another path to them for some other, simpler protocol?

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Re: [asterisk-users] Astricon people please post the announcement

2008-09-26 Thread Kevin P. Fleming
Dean Collins wrote:
 I'd also like to know what happens when someone 'chats' to the account
 connected to the Asterisk server.

Keeping in mind that the product has not yet entered beta testing... at
this time, all chat messages are ignored by the Skype For Asterisk
product. We have discussed today the possibility of being able to send
chats to Skype users (sort of a way to do 'screen pop' information for a
call you are about to send them), but haven't got any plans at the
moment for incoming chat messages.

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Re: [asterisk-users] Astricon people please post the announcement

2008-09-26 Thread Grygoriy Dobrovolskyy
2008/9/26 Kevin P. Fleming [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Brian J. Murrell wrote:

  And so will this channel driver also allow Skype to use my resources
  (CPU, bandwidth -- i.e. Internet for which many have usage caps, etc.)
  the way the Skype client does?

 The Skype engine in Skype For Asterisk does not currently have 'relay'
 support, so it does not route calls or media any calls that it is not
 involved in. However, this will be present in the production release of
 the product, but when it appears we will also document its behavior and
 the configuration options that can be used to control it.

 --
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 Director of Software Technologies
 Digium, Inc. - The Genuine Asterisk Experience (TM)


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Will it be packed into the base asterisk package, or to asterisk-addons? or
into some third party ?
Would it be possible to buy some comminication licences use them while
disabling the 'relay'  function ?
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Re: [asterisk-users] Astricon people please post the announcement

2008-09-26 Thread Kevin P. Fleming
Grygoriy Dobrovolskyy wrote:

 Will it be packed into the base asterisk package, or to asterisk-addons?
 or into some third party ?
 Would it be possible to buy some comminication licences use them while
 disabling the 'relay'  function ?

Skype For Asterisk will be distributed as a separate package. We do not
know yet what (if any) requirements will have to be handled for
disabling the relay functionality.

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[asterisk-users] Astricon people please post the announcement

2008-09-25 Thread randulo
Digium is making a big announcement today at Astricon. So who's
gonna post this and where? I must know before I go to sleep. It may
change my life!

r

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Re: [asterisk-users] Astricon people please post the announcement

2008-09-25 Thread randulo
So Skype finally will talk to Asterisk Excellent news!

On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 6:17 PM, randulo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Digium is making a big announcement today at Astricon. So who's
 gonna post this and where? I must know before I go to sleep. It may
 change my life!

 r


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Re: [asterisk-users] Astricon people please post the announcement

2008-09-25 Thread randulo
http://bit.ly/asterskype

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Re: [asterisk-users] Astricon people please post the announcement

2008-09-25 Thread Steve Anness
So does this mean that my users who currently have skype running on their
systems won't have to install anything new once I get things rolling on the
Asterisk server? 

Steve


On 9/25/08 11:38 AM, randulo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 So Skype finally will talk to Asterisk Excellent news!
 
 On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 6:17 PM, randulo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Digium is making a big announcement today at Astricon. So who's
 gonna post this and where? I must know before I go to sleep. It may
 change my life!
 
 r
 
 
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Re: [asterisk-users] Astricon people please post the announcement

2008-09-25 Thread randulo
I know a lot of linux and open source people think it's superfluous,
but a pseudo chan_skype is huge (assuming it works as advertised). It
means anyone with Skype can connect to your server presence. And
presumably you can call people via Skype. And use Skype out, etc.



On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 6:47 PM, Steve Anness [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 So does this mean that my users who currently have skype running on their
 systems won't have to install anything new once I get things rolling on the
 Asterisk server?

 Steve


 On 9/25/08 11:38 AM, randulo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 So Skype finally will talk to Asterisk Excellent news!

 On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 6:17 PM, randulo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Digium is making a big announcement today at Astricon. So who's
 gonna post this and where? I must know before I go to sleep. It may
 change my life!

 r


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Re: [asterisk-users] Astricon people please post the announcement

2008-09-25 Thread Tim Panton
It's essentially a channel driver.
Licensed per channel in the same way that the  g729 codec is.

Limited private beta opening soon.

Tim.


On 25 Sep 2008, at 17:47, Steve Anness wrote:

 So does this mean that my users who currently have skype running on  
 their
 systems won't have to install anything new once I get things rolling  
 on the
 Asterisk server?

 Steve


 On 9/25/08 11:38 AM, randulo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 So Skype finally will talk to Asterisk Excellent news!

 On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 6:17 PM, randulo [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
 wrote:
 Digium is making a big announcement today at Astricon. So who's
 gonna post this and where? I must know before I go to sleep. It may
 change my life!

 r


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Re: [asterisk-users] Astricon people please post the announcement

2008-09-25 Thread Tim Panton
They demoed it - everyone seems pretty confident it works
as advertized.
No wide-band codec  (yet)

Tim.

On 25 Sep 2008, at 17:55, randulo wrote:

 I know a lot of linux and open source people think it's superfluous,
 but a pseudo chan_skype is huge (assuming it works as advertised). It
 means anyone with Skype can connect to your server presence. And
 presumably you can call people via Skype. And use Skype out, etc.



 On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 6:47 PM, Steve Anness  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 So does this mean that my users who currently have skype running on  
 their
 systems won't have to install anything new once I get things  
 rolling on the
 Asterisk server?

 Steve


 On 9/25/08 11:38 AM, randulo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 So Skype finally will talk to Asterisk Excellent news!

 On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 6:17 PM, randulo [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
 wrote:
 Digium is making a big announcement today at Astricon. So who's
 gonna post this and where? I must know before I go to sleep. It may
 change my life!

 r


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Re: [asterisk-users] Astricon people please post the announcement

2008-09-25 Thread Ming Yong
Hi all,
Voiceroute is twittering abt it
http://twitter.com/voiceroute
Video with mark on announcement will be uploaded in 1 hour.
http://youtube.com/voiceroute
Ming



On 9/25/08, randulo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Digium is making a big announcement today at Astricon. So who's
 gonna post this and where? I must know before I go to sleep. It may
 change my life!

 r

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Re: [asterisk-users] Astricon people please post the announcement

2008-09-25 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 06:38:24PM +0200, randulo wrote:
 So Skype finally will talk to Asterisk Excellent news!

Great news! You mean that there is finally a free implementation of the
skype protocol so I can start using it?

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Re: [asterisk-users] Astricon people please post the announcement

2008-09-25 Thread Brian J. Murrell
On Thu, 2008-09-25 at 20:49 +0300, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
 
 Great news! You mean that there is finally a free implementation of the
 skype protocol so I can start using it?

Free?  AFAICT, not.  Neither free as in beer nor speech.  Move along,
nothing to see here.

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Re: [asterisk-users] Astricon people please post the announcement

2008-09-25 Thread Steve Anness
So what a minute.  They will charge us to use Skype with our Asterisk
servers?  Yes, I think I shall move along.

Steve


On 9/25/08 12:53 PM, Brian J. Murrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Thu, 2008-09-25 at 20:49 +0300, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
 
 Great news! You mean that there is finally a free implementation of the
 skype protocol so I can start using it?
 
 Free?  AFAICT, not.  Neither free as in beer nor speech.  Move along,
 nothing to see here.
 
 b.
 
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Re: [asterisk-users] Astricon people please post the announcement

2008-09-25 Thread Eric Fort
How is this exactly news?  Hasn't chan_skype been around and available for a
while now?  How is this different?

Eric

On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 9:38 AM, randulo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 So Skype finally will talk to Asterisk Excellent news!

 On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 6:17 PM, randulo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Digium is making a big announcement today at Astricon. So who's
  gonna post this and where? I must know before I go to sleep. It may
  change my life!
 
  r
 

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Re: [asterisk-users] Astricon people please post the announcement

2008-09-25 Thread Fred Posner




On Sep 25, 2008, at 11:06 AM, Steve Anness wrote:


So what a minute.  They will charge us to use Skype with our Asterisk
servers?  Yes, I think I shall move along.

Steve



I talked with both Skype and Digium today at Astricon for a while on  
this... it's actually going to be amazing. The license for Skype will  
be the same way you license g.729. So yes, it's not free... but you're  
only paying for in use channel capabilities... but think of the  
benefits... Skype will work just like let's say SIP or ZAP or IAX2  
would in the dial plan... so you could have SKYPE\username  
registered as an extension... or ... even in a queue which I am really  
excited about. You could registered as many usernames as you want...  
and then have as many simultaneous calls as licenses... great for  
calling out and even really awesome for calling in. Plus, unlike  
regular skype, on the callin, you can have multiple channels. It's  
really very exciting.



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Re: [asterisk-users] Astricon people please post the announcement

2008-09-25 Thread Brian J. Murrell
On Thu, 2008-09-25 at 17:25 -0700, Fred Posner wrote:

 
 I talked with both Skype and Digium today at Astricon for a while on this... 
 it's actually going to be amazing.

It's still early, but still, nobody has answered my question as to
whether Skype will be using my Asterisk server's CPU and bandwidth to
bridge calls between anonymous third parties (i.e. two people not
involved in my call plan in any way, just using my Asterisk server as a
bridge for their lame, NATted connectivity) they way they do with their
client.

Y'all do realize with Skype that they bridge calls between two parties
using a third, anonymous, (donor) party, when the two parties cannot
connect to each other because their NAT and/or firewalls are too
restrictive to allow them to connect directly, right?

b.



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Re: [asterisk-users] Astricon people please post the announcement

2008-09-25 Thread Dean Collins
I'd also like to know what happens when someone 'chats' to the account
connected to the Asterisk server.


Cheers,

Dean



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On Thu, 2008-09-25 at 17:25 -0700, Fred Posner wrote:

 
 I talked with both Skype and Digium today at Astricon for a while on
this... it's actually going to be amazing.

It's still early, but still, nobody has answered my question as to
whether Skype will be using my Asterisk server's CPU and bandwidth to
bridge calls between anonymous third parties (i.e. two people not
involved in my call plan in any way, just using my Asterisk server as a
bridge for their lame, NATted connectivity) they way they do with their
client.

Y'all do realize with Skype that they bridge calls between two parties
using a third, anonymous, (donor) party, when the two parties cannot
connect to each other because their NAT and/or firewalls are too
restrictive to allow them to connect directly, right?

b.


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Re: [asterisk-users] Astricon people please post the announcement

2008-09-25 Thread Darrick Hartman
Dean Collins wrote:
 I'd also like to know what happens when someone 'chats' to the account
 connected to the Asterisk server.

Lots of questions about this one.  There's definitely a demand for it so 
I can see why Digium would be interested in exploring this option.  Time 
will tell how well it will work.  I'm personally not too excited about 
bolt-on binaries which are probably not compatible with uClibc (and 
therefore Astlinux).  That leaves us in the same place as we are with 
codec_g729.  We're at the mercy of whoever creates these binaries to 
produce one that will work for us.

Darrick

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