Re: [asterisk-users] Need quality toll free 800 number over IAX?

2006-12-23 Thread Vicky

I have 3 toll free did's with nufone since 1 month .. Until now i dont have
a problem with them .. their portal was good enough to do proper
configuration and call quality wasnt bad  ( even though i havent used them
in really huge traffic  yet ) .

On 23/12/06, John Novack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




Doug Crompton wrote:
 At the very least the BBB (bbb.org) should be notified. They have a web
site
SORRY, BUT IMHO the BBB is a joke. I wouldn't waste the time to type in
one word
 and if it is really wire/internet fraud then the FBI
 (www.fbi.gov/majcases/fraud/internetschemes.htm) has a site you can
register a complaint with.

The FBI and the FTC, Federal Trade Comission are good choices. They
don't require you to fly anywhere or do anything in court, and if enough
people have simial experiences, they may very well do something
The US government moves slow, but when it moves you REALLY don't want to
be in the way of the army of bureaucrats.
Don't talk yourself into inaction. If in fact you have any evedence at
all, then register it.

John Novack

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Re: [asterisk-users] Need quality toll free 800 number over IAX?

2006-12-23 Thread Kevin Walsh
Vicky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have 3 toll free did's with nufone since 1 month .. Until now i dont have
 a problem with them .. their portal was good enough to do proper
 configuration and call quality wasnt bad  ( even though i havent used them
 in really huge traffic  yet ) .
 
The reason for the warning is to get people to move before they start to
have problems.  I'm sure everything will work for a while (perhaps for
years), but when you have a problem - perhaps an sudden deterioration or
complete outage at NuFone itself, you'll find out just how difficult it
is to get a helpful, or even just polite, response from their support
department.

You might find that you have no service through no fault of your own,
and have no way to fix it yourself.  Usually a threat of fix it or I'll
take my business elsewhere tends to work, but if you do follow up on
that then NuFone will rob you of any outstanding call credit you have
in your account.

You'll find lots of examples of this if you search around.  I ignored
the warnings because the service was working at the time, and I didn't
think I'd ever need to contact their support department.  Don't make
the same mistake.

Here are a few references I found with a five-minute Google search.
There are lots more where these came from:


https://forum.voxilla.com/other-providers/nufone-severe-problem-service-9548.html
http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Nufone
http://www.shakataganai.com/index.php?/archives/163-NuFone.html
http://hansgrueber.blogspot.com/2006/01/nufone-sucks.html

There are loads of examples in the various mail list archives.
Here are a couple:

http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-biz/2004-December/001468.html
http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-biz/2004-December/001457.html

As you have only had the DDIs for a month, you could get away with simply
going elsewhere and using new numbers (use up your call credit first).
If you have vanity numbers, or you want to keep them for some other reason
then I wish you good luck getting NuFone to help you port them to your
new provider.

The bottom line is that you are free to use whichever provider(s) you
like, but please be aware of the high likelyhood of having severe
service difficulties with NuFone.

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Re: [asterisk-users] Need quality toll free 800 number over IAX?

2006-12-23 Thread Brian Capouch
Folks, with all due respect: this thread is now wy off topic, as it 
has nothing to do with Asterisk whatsoever.


Please take it offline, or to ~biz.

thx.

B.

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Re: [asterisk-users] Need quality toll free 800 number over IAX?

2006-12-22 Thread Andrew Joakimsen

Actually what will happen is they will get REALLY mad that you tried to
blame your inability to correctly configure a system on them, then they
will ask for an appology and when you say why do you deserve one they will
terminate your account. The incident I had with them involved their site
that was marked as BETA.

THEY DO GIVE REFUNDS, only if its within the period you could still issue a
complaint with PayPal, once that passes they know you can't do anything so
they don't do anything.

NuFone isnt bad if you want a disposable termination account. But don't rely
on it for anything.

On 12/20/06, Kevin Walsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


www.IPKall.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I need a quality US 800 DID over IAX for my Asterisk server, preferably
one
 that doesn't cost the earth.

 Any suggestions please?

Anyone except NuFone.

Their customer service is non-existant - you have to email every day
for a couple of months before you'll be privileged enough to get a
one-line response to a service outage issue.  If you dare to point
out that the response didn't address the issue then you'll unleash the
combined wrath of both of the brain cells in residence at NuFone's
support department.  Not immediately, of course - you'll have to wait
another couple of months for a reply.

If you give up on them and decide to go elsewhere, they will pocket any
outstanding funds you have pre-paid into your account.  Existing
NuFone customers are advised to not pre-pay too much to these yokels,
and to jump ship as soon as possible.

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Re: [asterisk-users] Need quality toll free 800 number over IAX?

2006-12-22 Thread Kevin Walsh
Andrew Joakimsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 NuFone isnt bad if you want a disposable termination account. But don't rely
 on it for anything.
 
Well, the voice quality left a lot to be desired, so I didn't make a
lot of use of the service anyway.  Perhaps, if I had made more use of
it, they wouldn't have been able to steal as much from me when I fired
them for incompetence, laziness and general rudeness.

Perhaps they think that if they rob enough people then they will be
in a better position to pay their upstream provider - leading to less
downtime and therefore less cause for customers to attempt to contact
the idiot running their support department (Jeremy).

They are in urgent need of a better business plan (one that doesn't
rely upon raising money by stealing funds from customer accounts) and
a complete change of staff.  Oh, and a clue!

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Re: [asterisk-users] Need quality toll free 800 number over IAX?

2006-12-22 Thread Doug Crompton
If this (or any) company is really stealing or not living up to a contract
then why not report them as such, especially if they are US based. I would
suspect you would have another route to take.

If you don't do anything about it then they will just go on abusing
others and getting away with it.

At the very least the BBB (bbb.org) should be notified. They have a web
site and if it is really wire/internet fraud then the FBI
(www.fbi.gov/majcases/fraud/internetschemes.htm) has a site you can
register a complaint with.

Perhaps there should (or maybe there is) be a site that rates these
companies. If someone really wants business then they will do their best
to get on the top of the list.

Doug


On Fri, 22 Dec 2006, Kevin Walsh wrote:

 Andrew Joakimsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  NuFone isnt bad if you want a disposable termination account. But don't rely
  on it for anything.
 
 Well, the voice quality left a lot to be desired, so I didn't make a
 lot of use of the service anyway.  Perhaps, if I had made more use of
 it, they wouldn't have been able to steal as much from me when I fired
 them for incompetence, laziness and general rudeness.

 Perhaps they think that if they rob enough people then they will be
 in a better position to pay their upstream provider - leading to less
 downtime and therefore less cause for customers to attempt to contact
 the idiot running their support department (Jeremy).

 They are in urgent need of a better business plan (one that doesn't
 rely upon raising money by stealing funds from customer accounts) and
 a complete change of staff.  Oh, and a clue!

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Re: [asterisk-users] Need quality toll free 800 number over IAX?

2006-12-22 Thread Kevin Walsh
Doug Crompton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 If this (or any) company is really stealing or not living up to a contract
 then why not report them as such, especially if they are US based. I would
 suspect you would have another route to take.
 
I am UK-based - there's not a lot I can do to a US-based company,
and they know it.  That is unless I'm willing to fly over there to
sue them, which I'm not.  In this case, it was better to just cut
our losses and make sure as many others as possible know about our
experience and are forewarned.

I have already convinced several others to abandon NuFone.  I was
the one who recommended them in the first place, so I felt that I
had to warn them and try my best to persuade them to migrate.

Remember - sometimes, when you annoy one customer, you loose a lot
more than just that one customer.  Whatever playground victory NuFone
thinks they won by helping themselves to the content of our account,
they lost hundreds of times over in terms of the future revenue from
the customers I know that they lost.


 If you don't do anything about it then they will just go on abusing
 others and getting away with it.

That's why I feel it is right and proper to warn others.

If NuFone carries on operating they way they do, they will lose a
lot more than just the customers we had powers of persuasion over.
The snowball effect induced by mounting bad publicity is a powerful
thing, and not something any company wants to be on the receiving end
of.

I know that I have caused more damage this way than I could ever do by
simply recovering the account balance in court, and I didn't have to fly
anywhere to do it.  NuFone's short-sighted and clearly criminal ways
will come back to haunt them one day.

 
 At the very least the BBB (bbb.org) should be notified. They have a web
 site and if it is really wire/internet fraud then the FBI
 (www.fbi.gov/majcases/fraud/internetschemes.htm) has a site you can
 register a complaint with.

I've never heard of the BBB.  I have now - thanks.  I doubt that
NuFone's behaviour counts as fraud though.  I'd class their actions
as just plain old-fashioned theft.

If you are a NuFone customer then I advise you to use up your balance
and leave as soon as possible.  It's very easy to do - especially if
you're only using a company as an outgoing route and don't need to port
a number to a new provider.  If you know any NuFone customers then you
should try to get them to do the same.

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Re: [asterisk-users] Need quality toll free 800 number over IAX?

2006-12-22 Thread Doug Crompton
Well if this company is US based I would not think where you are matters
if it is fraud. You could still enter a complaint at the FBI site.

I would also think they would be working with the UK counterpart.

Doug

On Sat, 23 Dec 2006, Kevin Walsh wrote:

 Doug Crompton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  If this (or any) company is really stealing or not living up to a contract
  then why not report them as such, especially if they are US based. I would
  suspect you would have another route to take.
 
 I am UK-based - there's not a lot I can do to a US-based company,
 and they know it.  That is unless I'm willing to fly over there to
 sue them, which I'm not.  In this case, it was better to just cut
 our losses and make sure as many others as possible know about our
 experience and are forewarned.

 I have already convinced several others to abandon NuFone.  I was
 the one who recommended them in the first place, so I felt that I
 had to warn them and try my best to persuade them to migrate.

 Remember - sometimes, when you annoy one customer, you loose a lot
 more than just that one customer.  Whatever playground victory NuFone
 thinks they won by helping themselves to the content of our account,
 they lost hundreds of times over in terms of the future revenue from
 the customers I know that they lost.

 
  If you don't do anything about it then they will just go on abusing
  others and getting away with it.
 
 That's why I feel it is right and proper to warn others.

 If NuFone carries on operating they way they do, they will lose a
 lot more than just the customers we had powers of persuasion over.
 The snowball effect induced by mounting bad publicity is a powerful
 thing, and not something any company wants to be on the receiving end
 of.

 I know that I have caused more damage this way than I could ever do by
 simply recovering the account balance in court, and I didn't have to fly
 anywhere to do it.  NuFone's short-sighted and clearly criminal ways
 will come back to haunt them one day.

 
  At the very least the BBB (bbb.org) should be notified. They have a web
  site and if it is really wire/internet fraud then the FBI
  (www.fbi.gov/majcases/fraud/internetschemes.htm) has a site you can
  register a complaint with.
 
 I've never heard of the BBB.  I have now - thanks.  I doubt that
 NuFone's behaviour counts as fraud though.  I'd class their actions
 as just plain old-fashioned theft.

 If you are a NuFone customer then I advise you to use up your balance
 and leave as soon as possible.  It's very easy to do - especially if
 you're only using a company as an outgoing route and don't need to port
 a number to a new provider.  If you know any NuFone customers then you
 should try to get them to do the same.

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Re: [asterisk-users] Need quality toll free 800 number over IAX?

2006-12-22 Thread Kevin Walsh
Doug Crompton [EMAIL PROTECTED] lazily top-posted:
 Well if this company is US based I would not think where you are matters
 if it is fraud. You could still enter a complaint at the FBI site.
 
 I would also think they would be working with the UK counterpart.
 
I doubt it - not on a minor theft case, perpertrated by minor criminals.

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Re: [asterisk-users] Need quality toll free 800 number over IAX?

2006-12-22 Thread John Novack



Doug Crompton wrote:
At the very least the BBB (bbb.org) should be notified. They have a web site 
SORRY, BUT IMHO the BBB is a joke. I wouldn't waste the time to type in 
one word

and if it is really wire/internet fraud then the FBI
(www.fbi.gov/majcases/fraud/internetschemes.htm) has a site you can register a 
complaint with.
  
The FBI and the FTC, Federal Trade Comission are good choices. They 
don't require you to fly anywhere or do anything in court, and if enough 
people have simial experiences, they may very well do something
The US government moves slow, but when it moves you REALLY don't want to 
be in the way of the army of bureaucrats.
Don't talk yourself into inaction. If in fact you have any evedence at 
all, then register it.


John Novack

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RE: [asterisk-users] Need quality toll free 800 number over IAX?

2006-12-21 Thread www.IPKall.com
One way audio is almost always caused by firewalls / NAT translation. Since
there is neither on IPKall, my guess would be to look at the other end. With
20k + users, most have succeeded in correcting this problem via their
hardware / software. I encourage you to look at the user forum for some
suggestions.
 
IPKall
 http://voxilla.com/PNphpBB2-viewforum-f-38.html IPKall Forum
 
 
  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Al Bochter
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 4:33 PM
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Need quality toll free 800 number over IAX?
 
I have used www.ipkall.com I have had one way audio for two weeks now with
no reply from CS.
So I will back you up on this

I guess http://www.kall8.com/ would be the same I think they are one in the
same.



Best regards,
 
Al Bochter
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Kevin Walsh wrote: 
www.IPKall.com  mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
I need a quality US 800 DID over IAX for my Asterisk server, preferably one
that doesn't cost the earth.
 
Any suggestions please?
 

Anyone except NuFone.
 
Their customer service is non-existant - you have to email every day
for a couple of months before you'll be privileged enough to get a
one-line response to a service outage issue.  If you dare to point
out that the response didn't address the issue then you'll unleash the
combined wrath of both of the brain cells in residence at NuFone's
support department.  Not immediately, of course - you'll have to wait
another couple of months for a reply.
 
If you give up on them and decide to go elsewhere, they will pocket any
outstanding funds you have pre-paid into your account.  Existing
NuFone customers are advised to not pre-pay too much to these yokels,
and to jump ship as soon as possible.
 
  
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Re: [asterisk-users] Need quality toll free 800 number over IAX?

2006-12-21 Thread Tom Lynn

I second that.  I'm quite happy with the IPKall.com did number I use today.
Only once in the last year was it unavailable when I needed it.  So, not
bulletproof, but good enough for me to use all day when I work at home.

On 12/21/06, www.IPKall.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 One way audio is almost always caused by firewalls / NAT translation.
Since there is neither on IPKall, my guess would be to look at the other
end. With 20k + users, most have succeeded in correcting this problem via
their hardware / software. I encourage you to look at the user forum for
some suggestions.



IPKall

IPKall Forum http://voxilla.com/PNphpBB2-viewforum-f-38.html




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[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Al Bochter
*Sent:* Wednesday, December 20, 2006 4:33 PM
*To:* Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
*Subject:* Re: [asterisk-users] Need quality toll free 800 number over
IAX?



I have used www.ipkall.com I have had one way audio for two weeks now with
no reply from CS.
So I will back you up on this

I guess http://www.kall8.com/ would be the same I think they are one in
the same.


 Best regards,



Al Bochter

Bochter Services

http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email



(VoIP PBX) 1-563-773-6610 EXT: 250



-- For Information on PBX Systems for SOHO

http://www.bochterservices.com/?j=PBXt=email

-- Need A Toll Free Number?

http://www.bochterservices.com/?t=TFdidt=email

-- Need Voice Mail?

http://www.bochterservices.com/?t=VMSt=email

--For new and used security items

http://www.bochterservices.com/?j=storet=email

--BUY Coins, Silver and Gold

http://www.bochterservices.com/?j=goldt=email



Kevin Walsh wrote:

www.IPKall.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



I need a quality US 800 DID over IAX for my Asterisk server, preferably one

that doesn't cost the earth.

 Any suggestions please?



Anyone except NuFone.



Their customer service is non-existant - you have to email every day

for a couple of months before you'll be privileged enough to get a

one-line response to a service outage issue.  If you dare to point

out that the response didn't address the issue then you'll unleash the

combined wrath of both of the brain cells in residence at NuFone's

support department.  Not immediately, of course - you'll have to wait

another couple of months for a reply.



If you give up on them and decide to go elsewhere, they will pocket any

outstanding funds you have pre-paid into your account.  Existing

NuFone customers are advised to not pre-pay too much to these yokels,

and to jump ship as soon as possible.






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[asterisk-users] Need quality toll free 800 number over IAX?

2006-12-20 Thread Chris Blunt
Hi List

 

I need a quality US 800 DID over IAX for my Asterisk server, preferably one
that doesn't cost the earth.

 

Any suggestions please?

 

Thanks

 

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Entropy IT Ltd

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RE: [asterisk-users] Need quality toll free 800 number over IAX?

2006-12-20 Thread www.IPKall.com
www.Kall8.com
 
 
Arick Davis
 
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 5:18 AM
To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com
Subject: [asterisk-users] Need quality toll free 800 number over IAX?
 
Hi List
 
I need a quality US 800 DID over IAX for my Asterisk server, preferably one
that doesn't cost the earth.
 
Any suggestions please?
 
Thanks
 
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Re: [asterisk-users] Need quality toll free 800 number over IAX?

2006-12-20 Thread Time Bandit

I need a quality US 800 DID over IAX for my Asterisk server, preferably one
that doesn't cost the earth.



Any suggestions please?

Never used them but the rates seems ok : http://www.les.net/
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Re: [asterisk-users] Need quality toll free 800 number over IAX?

2006-12-20 Thread Jay Milk
Used les.net for outgoing for a while, seems to have some bandwidth 
problems -- call quality is low.


Time Bandit wrote:
I need a quality US 800 DID over IAX for my Asterisk server, 
preferably one

that doesn't cost the earth.



Any suggestions please?

Never used them but the rates seems ok : http://www.les.net/


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Re: [asterisk-users] Need quality toll free 800 number over IAX?

2006-12-20 Thread Kevin Walsh
www.IPKall.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I need a quality US 800 DID over IAX for my Asterisk server, preferably one
 that doesn't cost the earth.
  
 Any suggestions please?
  
Anyone except NuFone.

Their customer service is non-existant - you have to email every day
for a couple of months before you'll be privileged enough to get a
one-line response to a service outage issue.  If you dare to point
out that the response didn't address the issue then you'll unleash the
combined wrath of both of the brain cells in residence at NuFone's
support department.  Not immediately, of course - you'll have to wait
another couple of months for a reply.

If you give up on them and decide to go elsewhere, they will pocket any
outstanding funds you have pre-paid into your account.  Existing
NuFone customers are advised to not pre-pay too much to these yokels,
and to jump ship as soon as possible.

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Re: [asterisk-users] Need quality toll free 800 number over IAX?

2006-12-20 Thread Jay Milk

Kevin Walsh wrote:

www.IPKall.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

I need a quality US 800 DID over IAX for my Asterisk server, preferably one
that doesn't cost the earth.
 
Any suggestions please?
 


Anyone except NuFone.

Their customer service is non-existant - you have to email every day
for a couple of months before you'll be privileged enough to get a
one-line response to a service outage issue.  If you dare to point
out that the response didn't address the issue then you'll unleash the
combined wrath of both of the brain cells in residence at NuFone's
support department.  Not immediately, of course - you'll have to wait
another couple of months for a reply.

If you give up on them and decide to go elsewhere, they will pocket any
outstanding funds you have pre-paid into your account.  Existing
NuFone customers are advised to not pre-pay too much to these yokels,
and to jump ship as soon as possible


There's is positively nothing at all incorrect about the above post.  
Might just want to add that if you do get an 800# with nufone, it may 
not be yours next time they fail to pay a supplier.  If you use nufone 
and use your DID for anything more than sporadic personal calls, port it 
now.

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Re: [asterisk-users] Need quality toll free 800 number over IAX?

2006-12-20 Thread Troy - Purple Oranges

I use Vitality Communications.

http://www.vitelity.net/

I have no problems with the call quality.  I have been with them since
they were SixTel.

They have very responsive customer service, a nice provisioning system
and a fairly easy to understand / manage interface.

Cheers, Troy

On 20/12/06, Chris Blunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:





Hi List



I need a quality US 800 DID over IAX for my Asterisk server, preferably one
that doesn't cost the earth.



Any suggestions please?



Thanks



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Entropy IT Ltd
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Re: [asterisk-users] Need quality toll free 800 number over IAX?

2006-12-20 Thread Al Bochter
I have used www.ipkall.com I have had one way audio for two weeks now 
with no reply from CS.

So I will back you up on this

I guess http://www.kall8.com/ would be the same I think they are one in 
the same.


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Kevin Walsh wrote:


www.IPKall.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 


I need a quality US 800 DID over IAX for my Asterisk server, preferably one
that doesn't cost the earth.

Any suggestions please?

   


Anyone except NuFone.

Their customer service is non-existant - you have to email every day
for a couple of months before you'll be privileged enough to get a
one-line response to a service outage issue.  If you dare to point
out that the response didn't address the issue then you'll unleash the
combined wrath of both of the brain cells in residence at NuFone's
support department.  Not immediately, of course - you'll have to wait
another couple of months for a reply.

If you give up on them and decide to go elsewhere, they will pocket any
outstanding funds you have pre-paid into your account.  Existing
NuFone customers are advised to not pre-pay too much to these yokels,
and to jump ship as soon as possible.

 

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