[asterisk-users] OT - Number Portability
Sorry for the off-topic, but perhaps this will be of interest to other asterisk based ITSPs. We are starting service in a rural area where the ILEC has the rural monopoly. From what we have read in the FCC docs this does NOT exempt them from number portability, but what does it take for us to qualify to receive their numbers? To date we simply have a few voice trunks to them, and a set of DID numbers we purchase from them. Do we have to be a full CLEC to participate as a carrier? Does this imply we must have an SS7 connection to the PSTN? Thanks for any info, j ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] OT - Number Portability
Your chances are likely slim to none. But good luck. First to port numbers you have to be a recognized carrier, which for the most part means getting numbers from NANPA : North American Numbering Plan Administration. To do that you have to be certified by your state PUC or be a CMRS (cell phone) carrier. They would give you a block of 10,000 numbers designated to the rate center of the ILEC in question. Then you designate on of those numbers as a local routing number (LRN) which is like a pathfinder number for ported numbers. And, you work out an Interconnection agreement with the local Telco (probably with them kicking and screaming for months or a year) because they really don't want you there, and you aren't a big cell phone company, but a local wire line competitor, which then is approved by the state PUC. What some others have done is to operate as a PBX Service provider or some other business term. They get a PRI from the local company, and become the agent for the customer, move the service delivery to their PRI, and then distribute the calls to the appropriate customer via SIP and Asterisk or other solution. That has worked in Casa Grande, AZ for one place. (Not ours.) Cary Fitch -Original Message- From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Jeff LaCoursiere Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 8:34 AM To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: [asterisk-users] OT - Number Portability Sorry for the off-topic, but perhaps this will be of interest to other asterisk based ITSPs. We are starting service in a rural area where the ILEC has the rural monopoly. From what we have read in the FCC docs this does NOT exempt them from number portability, but what does it take for us to qualify to receive their numbers? To date we simply have a few voice trunks to them, and a set of DID numbers we purchase from them. Do we have to be a full CLEC to participate as a carrier? Does this imply we must have an SS7 connection to the PSTN? Thanks for any info, j ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] OT - Number Portability
Two more comments. Yes, to join the PSTN call distribution system you must have SS7. While rural ILECs are not exempt from number portability, there is a court injunction that saves them from having to transport the call out of their local rate center, so getting calls from a distant RILEC to a central point is at a cost to the requesting carrier. There are other complexities. Cary Fitch -Original Message- From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Jeff LaCoursiere Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 8:34 AM To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: [asterisk-users] OT - Number Portability Sorry for the off-topic, but perhaps this will be of interest to other asterisk based ITSPs. We are starting service in a rural area where the ILEC has the rural monopoly. From what we have read in the FCC docs this does NOT exempt them from number portability, but what does it take for us to qualify to receive their numbers? To date we simply have a few voice trunks to them, and a set of DID numbers we purchase from them. Do we have to be a full CLEC to participate as a carrier? Does this imply we must have an SS7 connection to the PSTN? Thanks for any info, j ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] OT - Number Portability
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009, Cary Fitch wrote: Two more comments. Yes, to join the PSTN call distribution system you must have SS7. While rural ILECs are not exempt from number portability, there is a court injunction that saves them from having to transport the call out of their local rate center, so getting calls from a distant RILEC to a central point is at a cost to the requesting carrier. There are other complexities. Cary Fitch Thanks Cary! We figured as much, and I appreciate the confirmation. We are not afraid of the battle and will be heading into this anyway. Feel a bit like Don Quixote :) j ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[asterisk-users] OT ? Number portability, land line to Cell
Having had various issues with local vendor (begins with V). am looking to move to all wireless. Anyone know if current vendor can refuse to port the current land line numbers to a wireless provider? From what I've read, the Fed's seem to say no, they cannot refuse, or impede this. joe a. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] OT ? Number portability, land line to Cell
On Mon, 14 May 2007, Joe acquisto said something to this effect: Having had various issues with local vendor (begins with V). am looking to move to all wireless. Anyone know if current vendor can refuse to port the current land line numbers to a wireless provider? LNP does provide for this, at least in principle. -- Alex Balashov [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] OT ? Number portability, land line to Cell
Quoting Joe acquisto [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Having had various issues with local vendor (begins with V). am looking to move to all wireless. Anyone know if current vendor can refuse to port the current land line numbers to a wireless provider? From what I've read, the Fed's seem to say no, they cannot refuse, or impede this. In Canada I've had limited success - personal lines seem easier to get done than business lines for some reason, and the whole issue of the overlapped area codes in the toronto area complicate things further (really or just portrayed that way as an excuse I am not really sure.) joe a. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users Jon Pounder _/_/_/ _/_/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/ _/_/ _/_/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/ Inline Internet Systems Inc. Thorold, Ontario, Canada Tools to Power Your e-Business Solutions www.inline.net www.ihtml.com www.ihtmlmerchant.com www.opayc.com This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] OT ? Number portability, land line to Cell
I was going to port a number here in Ohio and Verizon said it would cost $90 to do so as they can charge what it cost them. Bob R Joe acquisto wrote: Having had various issues with local vendor (begins with V). am looking to move to all wireless. Anyone know if current vendor can refuse to port the current land line numbers to a wireless provider? From what I've read, the Fed's seem to say no, they cannot refuse, or impede this. joe a. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] OT ? Number portability, land line to Cell
Joe acquisto wrote: Having had various issues with local vendor (begins with V). am looking to move to all wireless. Anyone know if current vendor can refuse to port the current land line numbers to a wireless provider? From what I've read, the Fed's seem to say no, they cannot refuse, or impede this. joe a. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users It depends on whether or not your local vendor actually owns the number itself or acquires it from another vendor. If they own the number, I don't think they're legally allowed to refuse to port it. If they lease the number from another provider, they're not actually obligated to assist you in porting, although they might, if you ask nicely, tell you with whom you need to deal to port the number. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] OT ? Number portability, land line to Cell
Having had various issues with local vendor (begins with V). am looking to move to all wireless. Anyone know if current vendor can refuse to port the current land line numbers to a wireless provider? From what I've read, the Fed's seem to say no, they cannot refuse, or impede this. Your local Vendor can certainly refuse to port the number, regardless of whether or not they're actually supposed to allow portability. They're the phone company, they don't have to care. Excuses can range fom we don't support that to the equipment's too old to my dog ate my homework. They know that 99.9% of all consumers are stupid and/or will not argue the point. Most people do not choose to engage big businesses over things like this. That's unfortunate, of course, because it enables companies to get away with blowoffs like this successfully and makes it harder for the rest of us to fight. You might find it interesting and/or useful to see if you can get them to port it to their own wireless division, assuming that they have one. If you decide to press the point, which you're encouraged to do, then the following resource ought to be helpful. http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/numbport.html ... JG -- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I won't contact you again. - Direct Marketing Ass'n position on e-mail spam(CNN) With 24 million small businesses in the US alone, that's way too many apples. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [asterisk-users] OT ? Number portability, land line to Cell
I think Joe's analysis is unreasonably negative regarding the landline companies' willingness to port. The link he provides, http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/numbport.html, reflects my experience. A couple cautions, however: Landline companies may take two to three weeks to actually complete the port (as the FCC says, DO NOT cancel your current service until the new service is actually working). Your new carrier will request an LOA (Letter of Authorization) to complete the port. Make sure that the LOA is limited to making changes only to the service that you want them to be changing and the account title (for your existing service), service address, account number, etc., are exactly correct on the LOA. Otherwise you'll hear from your new carrier in a couple weeks that the old carrier refuses to complete the port because the existing customer is ABC Enterprises and the new customer is A. B. Cooper Enterprises. (This is why they may request a copy of your existing phone bill--to make sure everything is letter-perfect.) --Don Don Kelly PCF Corp Real Support for your Virtual Office 651 842-1000 888 Don Kell(y) 651 842-1001 fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Greco Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 9:59 AM To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] OT ? Number portability, land line to Cell Having had various issues with local vendor (begins with V). am looking to move to all wireless. Anyone know if current vendor can refuse to port the current land line numbers to a wireless provider? From what I've read, the Fed's seem to say no, they cannot refuse, or impede this. Your local Vendor can certainly refuse to port the number, regardless of whether or not they're actually supposed to allow portability. They're the phone company, they don't have to care. Excuses can range fom we don't support that to the equipment's too old to my dog ate my homework. They know that 99.9% of all consumers are stupid and/or will not argue the point. Most people do not choose to engage big businesses over things like this. That's unfortunate, of course, because it enables companies to get away with blowoffs like this successfully and makes it harder for the rest of us to fight. You might find it interesting and/or useful to see if you can get them to port it to their own wireless division, assuming that they have one. If you decide to press the point, which you're encouraged to do, then the following resource ought to be helpful. http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/numbport.html ... JG -- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I won't contact you again. - Direct Marketing Ass'n position on e-mail spam(CNN) With 24 million small businesses in the US alone, that's way too many apples. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
