Re: [asterisk-users] Open CallerID Database? (late reply)

2007-06-05 Thread John Todd
At 11:57 AM -0800 2007/2/21, Brad Templeton wrote: On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 12:08:15PM -0700, Natambu Obleton wrote: Why not make it like DNS and have each provider have their lookups deligated to a local server and then each ISP will run a caching server that will use a serial number system

Re: [asterisk-users] Open CallerID Database?

2007-02-21 Thread Brad Templeton
On Tue, Feb 20, 2007 at 12:08:15PM -0700, Natambu Obleton wrote: Why not make it like DNS and have each provider have their lookups deligated to a local server and then each ISP will run a caching server that will use a serial number system to get updates.. just like DNS. I know there are

Re: [asterisk-users] Open CallerID Database?

2007-02-20 Thread Brad Templeton
On Mon, Feb 19, 2007 at 09:02:56PM -0500, C F wrote: I doubt it's CNAM since it has old an outdated listings. On 2/19/07, Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does google really have the true CNAM database? When I enter my number, I get a search result for my business listing at yellowpages.com

Re: [asterisk-users] Open CallerID Database?

2007-02-20 Thread Robert Norton - SophMedia LLC
Hey Guys, I'm glad to see this ignited some discussion. I definitely understand there's some legal implications involved, both on a privacy level, and fraud prevention. Obviously an end-user (ie: the person controlling a listing) has to consent to some sort of release resolving the privacy

Re: [asterisk-users] Open CallerID Database?

2007-02-20 Thread Mike Lynchfield
With all other things said.. you might want a professional service for this like targusinfo.com Maintaining and running an operation like a cname web lookup thing is REALLY high overhead in terms of web traffic etc What happens when you get 30 ITSP/clients pulling 1000 calls each or 10

Re: [asterisk-users] Open CallerID Database?

2007-02-20 Thread Natambu Obleton
Why not make it like DNS and have each provider have their lookups deligated to a local server and then each ISP will run a caching server that will use a serial number system to get updates.. just like DNS. I know there are lot more DNS lookups then CNAM lookups per hour... isn't there? :) On

Re: [asterisk-users] Open CallerID Database?

2007-02-20 Thread Richard Lyman
TP'n to follow flow just like DNS, the 'root servers' would still see the high request hits, prior to passing off to local caching app. and *someone* must have this expense/headache to maintain them. Natambu Obleton wrote: Why not make it like DNS and have each provider have their lookups

Re: [asterisk-users] Open CallerID Database?

2007-02-20 Thread Joe Greco
TP'n to follow flow just like DNS, the 'root servers' would still see the high request hits, prior to passing off to local caching app. and *someone* must have this expense/headache to maintain them. No, the root servers wouldn't. Please take a few moments to learn how the domain name

Re: [asterisk-users] Open CallerID Database?

2007-02-20 Thread Richard Lyman
Joe Greco wrote: TP'n to follow flow just like DNS, the 'root servers' would still see the high request hits, prior to passing off to local caching app. and *someone* must have this expense/headache to maintain them. No, the root servers wouldn't. Please take a few moments to learn

RE: [asterisk-users] Open CallerID Database?

2007-02-19 Thread Robert Norton - SophMedia LLC
for the recipient), please notify the sender by reply e-mail and delete, or destroy all copies of this message immediately. -Original Message- From: Shane Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 12:46 PM To: Robert Norton - SophMedia LLC Subject: Re: [asterisk-users

Re: [asterisk-users] Open CallerID Database?

2007-02-19 Thread Paul
I think terms of service for most CNAM providers prohibits sharing the data and limits the amount of time it can be cached for your own reuse. A public database managed by users would be of little value unless there are means to verify the data. If people trusted it, outbound telemarketers might

Re: [asterisk-users] Open CallerID Database?

2007-02-19 Thread David Gomillion
On 2/19/07, Robert Norton - SophMedia LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Guys, I'm curious if there's an interest in a free, CallerID database? For those of you in the same spot we are, our current provider only provides us with the CND, excluding CNAM. YES! Would creating a public

Re: [asterisk-users] Open CallerID Database?

2007-02-19 Thread Anselm Martin Hoffmeister
Am Montag, den 19.02.2007, 12:39 -0700 schrieb Robert Norton - SophMedia LLC: Hey Guys, I’m curious if there’s an interest in a free, CallerID database? For those of you in the same spot we are, our current provider only provides us with the CND, excluding CNAM. Would creating a public

RE: [asterisk-users] Open CallerID Database?

2007-02-19 Thread Shane Young
, 2007 12:46 PM To: Robert Norton - SophMedia LLC Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Open CallerID Database? Robert On the surface, I don't see how you could a db with a very good hit rate without paying for the data. There are thousands and thousdands of database updates every day. Perhaps I am

RE: [asterisk-users] Open CallerID Database?

2007-02-19 Thread Rick Smith
List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Open CallerID Database? On 2/19/07, Robert Norton - SophMedia LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Guys, I'm curious if there's an interest in a free, CallerID database? For those of you in the same spot we are, our current provider only

Re: [asterisk-users] Open CallerID Database?

2007-02-19 Thread Rob Schall
It seems like an interesting idea, but if this would be a public user updated 411, who would ensure that was more up to date than 411. If the numbers are off from 411, then the phone provider isn't keeping the records properly. A customer should be notifying the phone company when they are moving,

Re: [asterisk-users] Open CallerID Database?

2007-02-19 Thread Paul
At least the current system involves some qualification(CLEC status) and some policing(regulators can revoke CLEC status). Why create a system where setting your CNAM requires about as much validation as registering a domain name? You need to consider that most of the free data from sources like

Re: [asterisk-users] Open CallerID Database?

2007-02-19 Thread Brad Templeton
On Mon, Feb 19, 2007 at 03:01:50PM -0500, Paul wrote: I think terms of service for most CNAM providers prohibits sharing the data and limits the amount of time it can be cached for your own reuse. I don't know why they manage to get this level of control over the cnam database so that they

Re: [asterisk-users] Open CallerID Database?

2007-02-19 Thread C F
First my two cents. I dont think creating a system to store the info is a good idea mostly because of the reasons mentioned in this thread. An easy way to do free CNAM lookup, keep one pots line around with caller id service on it for each non cached number that comes in make a phone call to the

Re: [asterisk-users] Open CallerID Database?

2007-02-19 Thread Paul
C F, your method is technically feasible. I thought of it over a year ago but never posted it because it would definitely be considered an abuse by most providers. If a lot of people start using it, I expect we would start seeing TOS for PSTN and voip alike to start changing. Of course the best

Re: [asterisk-users] Open CallerID Database?

2007-02-19 Thread Paul
Does google really have the true CNAM database? When I enter my number, I get a search result for my business listing at yellowpages.com Are you referring to something available in a google area other than the search engine? Brad Templeton wrote: On Mon, Feb 19, 2007 at 03:01:50PM -0500, Paul

Re: [asterisk-users] Open CallerID Database?

2007-02-19 Thread C F
I doubt it's CNAM since it has old an outdated listings. On 2/19/07, Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does google really have the true CNAM database? When I enter my number, I get a search result for my business listing at yellowpages.com Are you referring to something available in a google area

Re: [asterisk-users] Open CallerID Database?

2007-02-19 Thread C F
My better guess is, that since Google is a web search engine all their results are based on web gatherings, which is where Google is taking the number resluts from. On 2/19/07, Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does google really have the true CNAM database? When I enter my number, I get a search