RE: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution
Same here, interested in the details of a SS7/Asterisk solution. Regards MIKE Steve, I also would be very interested in getting those details. We would very much like to move forward with SS7, please feel free to contact me off list. Cheers, Ben Merrills Griffin Internet -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Felix Skwarczynski Sent: 14 January 2005 09:23 To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution Hi Steve, I also want the commercial details, so if you can send them to me or put me in touch with somebody who can it would be very helpfull. Thank you in advance, Felix Skwarczynski Steve Underwood wrote: Hi Bartosz, We have a commercial SS7 for Asterisk that is running at a few test sites, and which we are just about ready to supply to a broader range of customers. This actually links into Asterisk, so we need to use a commercially licenced copy of Asterisk. If this sounds interesting to you, I can put you in touch with someone who will give you the commercial details. Regards, Steve Bartosz Jozwiak wrote: Hello, We are looking for commercial solution SS7 with Asterisk. It does not need to be build-in with Asterisk. Could anybody suggest something? Thank you in advance. Bart ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution
Hi Steve, I also want the commercial details, so if you can send them to me or put me in touch with somebody who can it would be very helpfull. Thank you in advance, Felix Skwarczynski Steve Underwood wrote: Hi Bartosz, We have a commercial SS7 for Asterisk that is running at a few test sites, and which we are just about ready to supply to a broader range of customers. This actually links into Asterisk, so we need to use a commercially licenced copy of Asterisk. If this sounds interesting to you, I can put you in touch with someone who will give you the commercial details. Regards, Steve Bartosz Jozwiak wrote: Hello, We are looking for commercial solution SS7 with Asterisk. It does not need to be build-in with Asterisk. Could anybody suggest something? Thank you in advance. Bart ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution
Steve, I also would be very interested in getting those details. We would very much like to move forward with SS7, please feel free to contact me off list. Cheers, Ben Merrills Griffin Internet -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Felix Skwarczynski Sent: 14 January 2005 09:23 To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution Hi Steve, I also want the commercial details, so if you can send them to me or put me in touch with somebody who can it would be very helpfull. Thank you in advance, Felix Skwarczynski Steve Underwood wrote: Hi Bartosz, We have a commercial SS7 for Asterisk that is running at a few test sites, and which we are just about ready to supply to a broader range of customers. This actually links into Asterisk, so we need to use a commercially licenced copy of Asterisk. If this sounds interesting to you, I can put you in touch with someone who will give you the commercial details. Regards, Steve Bartosz Jozwiak wrote: Hello, We are looking for commercial solution SS7 with Asterisk. It does not need to be build-in with Asterisk. Could anybody suggest something? Thank you in advance. Bart ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution
This actually links into Asterisk, so we need to use a commercially licenced copy of Asterisk. Why does it have to be commercially licenced? -Matthew ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution
Steve, Add another one to your list. The sooner really you can get me information the better. Sean Lowry -Original Message- From: Ben Merrills [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 January 2005 09:33 To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution Steve, I also would be very interested in getting those details. We would very much like to move forward with SS7, please feel free to contact me off list. Cheers, Ben Merrills Griffin Internet -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Felix Skwarczynski Sent: 14 January 2005 09:23 To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution Hi Steve, I also want the commercial details, so if you can send them to me or put me in touch with somebody who can it would be very helpfull. Thank you in advance, Felix Skwarczynski Steve Underwood wrote: Hi Bartosz, We have a commercial SS7 for Asterisk that is running at a few test sites, and which we are just about ready to supply to a broader range of customers. This actually links into Asterisk, so we need to use a commercially licenced copy of Asterisk. If this sounds interesting to you, I can put you in touch with someone who will give you the commercial details. Regards, Steve Bartosz Jozwiak wrote: Hello, We are looking for commercial solution SS7 with Asterisk. It does not need to be build-in with Asterisk. Could anybody suggest something? Thank you in advance. Bart ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution
Steve, Please add me also to your list interested in an SS7 solution... we are starting a development project of our own and would like to make a buy vs. build decision soon. -- Mike Murdock - Original Message - From: Sean Lowry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 11:40 AM Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution Steve, Add another one to your list. The sooner really you can get me information the better. Sean Lowry -Original Message- From: Ben Merrills [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 January 2005 09:33 To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution Steve, I also would be very interested in getting those details. We would very much like to move forward with SS7, please feel free to contact me off list. Cheers, Ben Merrills Griffin Internet -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Felix Skwarczynski Sent: 14 January 2005 09:23 To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution Hi Steve, I also want the commercial details, so if you can send them to me or put me in touch with somebody who can it would be very helpfull. Thank you in advance, Felix Skwarczynski Steve Underwood wrote: Hi Bartosz, We have a commercial SS7 for Asterisk that is running at a few test sites, and which we are just about ready to supply to a broader range of customers. This actually links into Asterisk, so we need to use a commercially licenced copy of Asterisk. If this sounds interesting to you, I can put you in touch with someone who will give you the commercial details. Regards, Steve Bartosz Jozwiak wrote: Hello, We are looking for commercial solution SS7 with Asterisk. It does not need to be build-in with Asterisk. Could anybody suggest something? Thank you in advance. Bart ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:01:52 -0600, Matthew Boehm wrote: Why does it have to be commercially licenced? Without it, the SS7 software would be linking to GPL software which means they would have to GPL the code too. So the only way to get commercial SS7 is to have it with commercial asterisk. m. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution
So are you telling me that you cannot use other commercial products in conjunction with asterisk? Matthew - Original Message - From: izo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:01:52 -0600, Matthew Boehm wrote: Why does it have to be commercially licenced? Without it, the SS7 software would be linking to GPL software which means they would have to GPL the code too. So the only way to get commercial SS7 is to have it with commercial asterisk. m. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution
On Fri, 2005-01-14 at 14:09 -0600, Matthew Boehm wrote: So are you telling me that you cannot use other commercial products in conjunction with asterisk? Time for you to go learn about the GPL. Time to go learn about proper trimming of an email. Time to learn how to use the archives for information already given. Time to go learn a lot of things. Please add those 3 to your ToDo list though. - Original Message - From: izo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:01:52 -0600, Matthew Boehm wrote: Why does it have to be commercially licenced? Without it, the SS7 software would be linking to GPL software which means they would have to GPL the code too. So the only way to get commercial SS7 is to have it with commercial asterisk. -- Steven Critchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution
Matthew Boehm wrote: So are you telling me that you cannot use other commercial products in conjunction with asterisk? You cannot distribute a closed source add-on (except AGI) for Asterisk without a commercial license for Asterisk. This is just standard GPL stuff, not Asterisk sprcific. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution
Time for you to learn some maners and not to bitch at/insult people for something they don't understand. Time for you to stop telling people what to do. Please add those 2 to you ToDo list. - Original Message - From: Steven Critchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution On Fri, 2005-01-14 at 14:09 -0600, Matthew Boehm wrote: So are you telling me that you cannot use other commercial products in conjunction with asterisk? Time for you to go learn about the GPL. Time to go learn about proper trimming of an email. Time to learn how to use the archives for information already given. Time to go learn a lot of things. Please add those 3 to your ToDo list though. - Original Message - From: izo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:01:52 -0600, Matthew Boehm wrote: Why does it have to be commercially licenced? Without it, the SS7 software would be linking to GPL software which means they would have to GPL the code too. So the only way to get commercial SS7 is to have it with commercial asterisk. -- Steven Critchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution
Eric, Thank you for explaining this to me instead of being rude and bitching at me about my lack of GPL understanding. Sincerely, Matthew - Original Message - From: Eric Wieling aka ManxPower [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution Matthew Boehm wrote: So are you telling me that you cannot use other commercial products in conjunction with asterisk? You cannot distribute a closed source add-on (except AGI) for Asterisk without a commercial license for Asterisk. This is just standard GPL stuff, not Asterisk sprcific. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution
Matthew Boehm wrote: Eric, Thank you for explaining this to me instead of being rude and bitching at me about my lack of GPL understanding. You caught me in an unusally good mood, that's all. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution
On Fri, 2005-01-14 at 14:38 -0600, Matthew Boehm wrote: Time for you to learn some maners and not to bitch at/insult people for something they don't understand. Time for you to stop telling people what to do. Please add those 2 to you ToDo list. Before your whining gets too out of hand, you need to find anything specific in my original reply that was a blatant insult.If you don't like being called for being lazy, then don't act that way. The information was put before you to then do the minor amount of homework necessary to understand. In this case, while Eric Wieling did you a favor and explained a bit more, it should have been left as an exercise for the reader as it involves legalities that while most of us agree with the answer, we are not qualified to give the advice.(you know, no law degree, not retained counsel and all that fun stuff) It also is covered in the GPL faq. I'm sure a simple search of the archive would show a few threads of this exact nature in less than - Original Message - From: Steven Critchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution On Fri, 2005-01-14 at 14:09 -0600, Matthew Boehm wrote: So are you telling me that you cannot use other commercial products in conjunction with asterisk? Time for you to go learn about the GPL. Time to go learn about proper trimming of an email. Time to learn how to use the archives for information already given. Time to go learn a lot of things. Please add those 3 to your ToDo list though. - Original Message - From: izo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:01:52 -0600, Matthew Boehm wrote: Why does it have to be commercially licenced? Without it, the SS7 software would be linking to GPL software which means they would have to GPL the code too. So the only way to get commercial SS7 is to have it with commercial asterisk. -- Steven Critchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution
Hi Bartosz, We have a commercial SS7 for Asterisk that is running at a few test sites, and which we are just about ready to supply to a broader range of customers. This actually links into Asterisk, so we need to use a commercially licenced copy of Asterisk. If this sounds interesting to you, I can put you in touch with someone who will give you the commercial details. Regards, Steve Bartosz Jozwiak wrote: Hello, We are looking for commercial solution SS7 with Asterisk. It does not need to be build-in with Asterisk. Could anybody suggest something? Thank you in advance. Bart ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution
Isn't the goal to move away from SS7? SS7 is pretty old technology. That is what we are doing. We are dropping 2 SS7 carriers and will now send traffic to them directly as SIP. -Matthew - Original Message - From: Bartosz Jozwiak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 7:44 PM Subject: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution Hello, We are looking for commercial solution SS7 with Asterisk. It does not need to be build-in with Asterisk. Could anybody suggest something? Thank you in advance. Bart ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution
Matthew Boehm wrote: Isn't the goal to move away from SS7? SS7 is pretty old technology. That is what we are doing. We are dropping 2 SS7 carriers and will now send traffic to them directly as SIP. So how do I connect to a PSTN line by SIP? :-) SS7 is the basis for the entire world's telephone network signalling. New forms which run over IP are being deployed. Even if the last remaining fragments of the PSTN are shut down, and everything on land lines is IP based, SS7 is still the core protocol for the cellular networks - GSM-A, for example, is built upon SS7. Of course, its always possible WiMAX might shut those down too. :-) Regards, Steve ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-users- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Underwood Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 7:10 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution Matthew Boehm wrote: Isn't the goal to move away from SS7? SS7 is pretty old technology. That is what we are doing. We are dropping 2 SS7 carriers and will now send traffic to them directly as SIP. So how do I connect to a PSTN line by SIP? :-) SS7 is the basis for the entire world's telephone network signalling. New forms which run over IP are being deployed. Even if the last remaining fragments of the PSTN are shut down, and everything on land lines is IP based, SS7 is still the core protocol for the cellular networks - GSM-A, for example, is built upon SS7. Of course, its always possible WiMAX might shut those down too. :-) Regards, Steve Steve, So you do not think that SIGTRAN has legs? Damon ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution
Damon Estep wrote: Steve, So you do not think that SIGTRAN has legs? Damon Dunno. If there are a huge proliferation of IP telephony, what part would SIGTRAN play? Seems like its superfluous in that scenario. Like I said, its being deployed now, but that is mostly within the existing PSTN framework - SS7 over IP instead of MTP controlling the good old switched circuits. What future role do you see for it? Regards, Steve ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution
Damon Estep wrote: Steve, So you do not think that SIGTRAN has legs? Damon Dunno. If there are a huge proliferation of IP telephony, what part would SIGTRAN play? Seems like its superfluous in that scenario. Like I said, its being deployed now, but that is mostly within the existing PSTN framework - SS7 over IP instead of MTP controlling the good old switched circuits. What future role do you see for it? Regards, Steve Hard to tell this early on, but is seems like the main goal of a lot of VoIP service providers (including us) is to bypass the PSTN in every way possible. If VoIP ever reaches critical mass, which is likely, it would make sense for the VoIP providers to bypass SS7 and find a way to exchange information without it. It seems to me the main reason to go SS7 is to be able to bill carriers for termination on your network and gain access to Inter-Machine Trunks. VoIP providers are not really collecting a lot of termination money right now; it is usually the upstream provider that running the class 5 switches that receives that revenue. VoIP providers are more concerned with being able to offer free long distance, which requires toll bypass via VoIP. I do not have a great education on the issue, but what I do know indicates that a lot of the domestic long distance, particularly the calling card portion, already bypasses large PSTN spans. Once the value of being able to collect termination fees deteriorates it is likely that the system that drives it will deteriorate as well. One thing that I think confuses the issue is local number portability, since it will be much harder to route calls as the NPA/NXX boundaries disappear. I am obviously speaking from a USA perspective. At some point you have to get in front of the SS7 network to know when you can bypass it, and that will have to come in the form of a public registry of phone numbers, much like ARIN/APIC/RIPE do now or IP numbers. Again local number portability really mucks this up. Who knows? I think we would both agree that for the near future SS7 is reality and there is a market for an * implementation as long as he US based RBOCs will certify it. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution
Hi Steve, That would be great. I am very interested to get in touch as soon as possible with somebody who could offer such a solution. Bartosz - Original Message - From: Steve Underwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 9:09 AM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution Hi Bartosz, We have a commercial SS7 for Asterisk that is running at a few test sites, and which we are just about ready to supply to a broader range of customers. This actually links into Asterisk, so we need to use a commercially licenced copy of Asterisk. If this sounds interesting to you, I can put you in touch with someone who will give you the commercial details. Regards, Steve Bartosz Jozwiak wrote: Hello, We are looking for commercial solution SS7 with Asterisk. It does not need to be build-in with Asterisk. Could anybody suggest something? Thank you in advance. Bart ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution
We terminate local calls over PRI. Everything else goes out VoIP via SIP to national carriers and they terminate it. Can't you use a channel bank or an FX card to connect to PSTN? Or PRI.. -Matthew - Original Message - From: Steve Underwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 8:09 AM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution Matthew Boehm wrote: Isn't the goal to move away from SS7? SS7 is pretty old technology. That is what we are doing. We are dropping 2 SS7 carriers and will now send traffic to them directly as SIP. So how do I connect to a PSTN line by SIP? :-) SS7 is the basis for the entire world's telephone network signalling. New forms which run over IP are being deployed. Even if the last remaining fragments of the PSTN are shut down, and everything on land lines is IP based, SS7 is still the core protocol for the cellular networks - GSM-A, for example, is built upon SS7. Of course, its always possible WiMAX might shut those down too. :-) Regards, Steve ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution
We have the problem that our telecoms provider deals mainly in SS7 (C7, and it seems most in the UK do). For us to take EuroISDN off them, with the same features as SS7, we have to be put through a protocol converter, now this isn't an issue for us, but it is for them. Most UK phone companies (i.e. BT or the smaller regional carriers) all use SS7, everywhere! For the most part they don't accept VoIP termination (although I think BT might have some facilities for this). So they very much try and push SS7 on interconnects. And that's why SS7, for me (and I think for quite a few others taking PRI style links in the UK) is so important. Ben -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew Boehm Sent: 12 January 2005 17:02 To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution We terminate local calls over PRI. Everything else goes out VoIP via SIP to national carriers and they terminate it. Can't you use a channel bank or an FX card to connect to PSTN? Or PRI.. -Matthew - Original Message - From: Steve Underwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 8:09 AM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution Matthew Boehm wrote: Isn't the goal to move away from SS7? SS7 is pretty old technology. That is what we are doing. We are dropping 2 SS7 carriers and will now send traffic to them directly as SIP. So how do I connect to a PSTN line by SIP? :-) SS7 is the basis for the entire world's telephone network signalling. New forms which run over IP are being deployed. Even if the last remaining fragments of the PSTN are shut down, and everything on land lines is IP based, SS7 is still the core protocol for the cellular networks - GSM-A, for example, is built upon SS7. Of course, its always possible WiMAX might shut those down too. :-) Regards, Steve ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution
ahh..american arrogance. I assumed you were in the US. We pay $2000 a month for DS3/SS7 to national carrier. We will soon be dropping the SS7 and turning that voice DS3 into a bandwidth DS3. We will still use the carrier but all calls will terminate to them VoIP. It will save us over $2000 a month. -Matthew - Original Message - From: Ben Merrills [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 11:30 AM Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution We have the problem that our telecoms provider deals mainly in SS7 (C7, and it seems most in the UK do). For us to take EuroISDN off them, with the same features as SS7, we have to be put through a protocol converter, now this isn't an issue for us, but it is for them. Most UK phone companies (i.e. BT or the smaller regional carriers) all use SS7, everywhere! For the most part they don't accept VoIP termination (although I think BT might have some facilities for this). So they very much try and push SS7 on interconnects. And that's why SS7, for me (and I think for quite a few others taking PRI style links in the UK) is so important. Ben -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew Boehm Sent: 12 January 2005 17:02 To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution We terminate local calls over PRI. Everything else goes out VoIP via SIP to national carriers and they terminate it. Can't you use a channel bank or an FX card to connect to PSTN? Or PRI.. -Matthew - Original Message - From: Steve Underwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 8:09 AM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution Matthew Boehm wrote: Isn't the goal to move away from SS7? SS7 is pretty old technology. That is what we are doing. We are dropping 2 SS7 carriers and will now send traffic to them directly as SIP. So how do I connect to a PSTN line by SIP? :-) SS7 is the basis for the entire world's telephone network signalling. New forms which run over IP are being deployed. Even if the last remaining fragments of the PSTN are shut down, and everything on land lines is IP based, SS7 is still the core protocol for the cellular networks - GSM-A, for example, is built upon SS7. Of course, its always possible WiMAX might shut those down too. :-) Regards, Steve ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution
ahh..american arrogance Excuse me but I am an American, and while I have rightly been accused of many things most of us aren't arrogant. You must have a superiority complex to be making comments like that to a list of over 800 people. Chris. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution
On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 05:30:31PM -, Ben Merrills wrote: We have the problem that our telecoms provider deals mainly in SS7 (C7, and it seems most in the UK do). For us to take EuroISDN off them, with the same features as SS7, we have to be put through a protocol converter, now this isn't an issue for us, but it is for them. Most UK phone companies (i.e. BT or the smaller regional carriers) all use SS7, everywhere! For the most part they don't accept VoIP termination (although I think BT might have some facilities for this). So they very much try and push SS7 on interconnects. And that's why SS7, for me (and I think for quite a few others taking PRI style links in the UK) is so important. Unfortunately SS7 comes at a cost. In the UK to talk to a telco using SS7 you generally needed a Telecomms license (which mandates telcos to interchange traffic with you). Now telco licenses have been scrapped (as per EU directives and the Communications Act) you're just meant to be able to ask etc. However they can demand that your SS7 stack is certified, and BT take about 6 months to provision/test an SS7 voice interconnect, other telcos may take longer. If you scr*w up at the SS7 level, they'll disconnect you as fast as you can shout sorry, and they can refuse to interconnect with you ever again !!! You also have to be running the right version of SS7 (I think the latest is UK8, though a lot of operators are running UK7). Steve -- NetTek Ltd Phone/Fax +44-(0)20 7483 2455 SMS steve-epage (at) gbnet.net [body] gpg 1024D/468952DB 2001-09-19 ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution
On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 05:30:31PM -, Ben Merrills wrote: Most UK phone companies (i.e. BT or the smaller regional carriers) all use SS7, everywhere! For the most part they don't accept VoIP termination (although I think BT might have some facilities for this). So they very much try and push SS7 on interconnects. [sorry missed this bit] I wouldn't be suprised if most traditional carriers don't support VoIP termination within the next few months. I know several working on just that now. Steve -- NetTek Ltd Phone/Fax +44-(0)20 7483 2455 SMS steve-epage (at) gbnet.net [body] gpg 1024D/468952DB 2001-09-19 ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution
Ha ha ha you are kidding right Chris? Americans are the most arrogant people on the face of the planet. Lets not make this a 'holy war' about nationalities we all have our own shortcomings (like aussies who would prefer to sink piss (beer) rather than expend our energies in more significant areas) but this has to be said. Cheers, Dean -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Modesitt Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 1:06 PM To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion' Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution ahh..american arrogance Excuse me but I am an American, and while I have rightly been accused of many things most of us aren't arrogant. You must have a superiority complex to be making comments like that to a list of over 800 people. Chris. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution
Chris Modesitt wrote: ahh..american arrogance Excuse me but I am an American, and while I have rightly been accused of many things most of us aren't arrogant. You must have a superiority complex to be making comments like that to a list of over 800 people. Chris. 800 ?? you drop a zero or something? (looks around on the floor) ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution
If you are looking for a SS7 solution right now with out paying anything more for asterisk you can purchase a solution from Verisign called SIP-7. You send your signaling to them and they send the RTP to your media gateway. From what I understand its very efficient and offers all the same features as SS7 does. They also have an interconnect with Cable and Wireless in the UK for services there. .o---o. Brian Fertig Network Engineer Planet Telecom, Inc. Tampa, FL Office -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Kennedy Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 1:06 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 05:30:31PM -, Ben Merrills wrote: We have the problem that our telecoms provider deals mainly in SS7 (C7, and it seems most in the UK do). For us to take EuroISDN off them, with the same features as SS7, we have to be put through a protocol converter, now this isn't an issue for us, but it is for them. Most UK phone companies (i.e. BT or the smaller regional carriers) all use SS7, everywhere! For the most part they don't accept VoIP termination (although I think BT might have some facilities for this). So they very much try and push SS7 on interconnects. And that's why SS7, for me (and I think for quite a few others taking PRI style links in the UK) is so important. Unfortunately SS7 comes at a cost. In the UK to talk to a telco using SS7 you generally needed a Telecomms license (which mandates telcos to interchange traffic with you). Now telco licenses have been scrapped (as per EU directives and the Communications Act) you're just meant to be able to ask etc. However they can demand that your SS7 stack is certified, and BT take about 6 months to provision/test an SS7 voice interconnect, other telcos may take longer. If you scr*w up at the SS7 level, they'll disconnect you as fast as you can shout sorry, and they can refuse to interconnect with you ever again !!! You also have to be running the right version of SS7 (I think the latest is UK8, though a lot of operators are running UK7). Steve -- NetTek Ltd Phone/Fax +44-(0)20 7483 2455 SMS steve-epage (at) gbnet.net [body] gpg 1024D/468952DB 2001-09-19 ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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Don't mind them Chris, as an American I stand by you, as would most Americans on this list, and maybe many thousands of American troops too. I do know that when I went to Australia, a lot of people there had certain preconceptions of me, being an American, and I can tell you that I surprised many of them in a good way, a lot of them told me I wasn't like what they expected. Maybe its their society, or the media, or jealousy or something else that turns them to think negative things about us, but it's ok. Part of being the better man is just ignoring them and walking away. This I have learned on the net, when there are no borders. Now on with the real topic, SS7 and Asterisk. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dean collins Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 2:03 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution Ha ha ha you are kidding right Chris? Americans are the most arrogant people on the face of the planet. Lets not make this a 'holy war' about nationalities we all have our own shortcomings (like aussies who would prefer to sink piss (beer) rather than expend our energies in more significant areas) but this has to be said. Cheers, Dean -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Modesitt Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 1:06 PM To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion' Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution ahh..american arrogance Excuse me but I am an American, and while I have rightly been accused of many things most of us aren't arrogant. You must have a superiority complex to be making comments like that to a list of over 800 people. Chris. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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A little, I just didn't think there was any reason for the comment, whether it be true or not:) Ben was just trying to be helpful. Chris. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dean collins Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 12:03 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution Ha ha ha you are kidding right Chris? Americans are the most arrogant people on the face of the planet. Lets not make this a 'holy war' about nationalities we all have our own shortcomings (like aussies who would prefer to sink piss (beer) rather than expend our energies in more significant areas) but this has to be said. Cheers, Dean -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Modesitt Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 1:06 PM To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion' Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution ahh..american arrogance Excuse me but I am an American, and while I have rightly been accused of many things most of us aren't arrogant. You must have a superiority complex to be making comments like that to a list of over 800 people. Chris. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] SS7 and Asterisk solution
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005, Matthew Boehm wrote: ahh..american arrogance. I assumed you were in the US. We pay $2000 a month for DS3/SS7 to national carrier. We will soon be dropping the SS7 and turning that voice DS3 into a bandwidth DS3. We will still use the carrier but all calls will terminate to them VoIP. It will save us over $2000 a month. Interesting. For us in Sweden it is actually cheaper to connect to our carrier through PRIs than through VoIP. We have two fibre pairs instead of one, and it is still cheaper. Well, they had six pairs since that is the minimum cables they install. Add to that the lower latency etc of a tdm solution. I guess it is a scale thing - when lots (most?) companies are connected via isdn technology the cost goes down. Peter ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
