Re: [Asterisk-Users] DS3000P - 20 E1 capacity on single card
On April 12, 2005 11:36 pm, Kevin P. Fleming wrote: Also, keep in mind that a DS3 is _only_ 45 megabits per second. Any PCI bus (even lowly 33MHz 32-bit PCI) can easily handle 90 megabits per Yes, but then what are you doing with it? You're shuttling the new data to/from a network card in a lot of cases. Combined with other traffic over the PCI bus for normal system operation I could see you coming close to the limitations of regular ole PCI. second of traffic. People looking a DS3 cards are also likely to deploy them in servers with multiple independent PCI buses, which would then allow for even more bandwidth. The mind boggles at the possibilities! True enough, but you still need to marshall the data going between PCI busses and to system memory. Certainly not impossible problems to overcome but they do add to the fun of getting a low latency VOIP system together. -A. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] DS3000P - 20 E1 capacity on single card
Matt Klein wrote: Kevin, Mmm. Yep. -m On Tue, 12 Apr 2005, Kevin P. Fleming wrote: Matthew Boehm wrote: So, no hardware encoding on this beast? The announcement on the website makes no mention of transcoding, echo cancellation or toast-and-jam making, so at this time, no, there is no hardware transcoding apparently included. (Besides, would you really want a board that could only ENcode? G) Since encoding typically requires 5 times as much compute as decoding, for CELP based codecs, an encode onyl board would not be as dumb as it seems at first sight :-) Regards, Steve ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] DS3000P - 20 E1 capacity on single card
Andrew Kohlsmith wrote: Yes, but then what are you doing with it? You're shuttling the new data to/from a network card in a lot of cases. Combined with other traffic over the PCI bus for normal system operation I could see you coming close to the limitations of regular ole PCI. Absolutely. The DS3000P will definitely support PCI-X, and probably bus speeds of 100MHz or higher, so at least if your system has that you will have plenty of bus capacity. Many servers nowadays actually have their NICs on a separate PCI bus as well, so the TDM and NIC cards won't be contending for the same resources. True enough, but you still need to marshall the data going between PCI busses and to system memory. Certainly not impossible problems to overcome but they do add to the fun of getting a low latency VOIP system together. Very true; realistically, modern PC hardware has more than enough bandwidth to do what is required. The real issue is timing, based on contention for resources, and how that impacts latency. The existing boxes out there (not PCs) that handle DS3 have far lower performance metrics than a 3GHz P4 or similar system :-) ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] DS3000P - 20 E1 capacity on single card
Steve Underwood wrote: Since encoding typically requires 5 times as much compute as decoding, for CELP based codecs, an encode onyl board would not be as dumb as it seems at first sight :-) Hah! I knew someone would say that! ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] DS3000P - 20 E1 capacity on single card
On April 13, 2005 10:57 am, Kevin P. Fleming wrote: Very true; realistically, modern PC hardware has more than enough bandwidth to do what is required. The real issue is timing, based on contention for resources, and how that impacts latency. The existing boxes out there (not PCs) that handle DS3 have far lower performance metrics than a 3GHz P4 or similar system :-) Well yes, but they're not a general computing platform either and their I/O design is quite different. They could spank any PC in terms of concurrent I/O without even breaking a sweat. :-) -A. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] DS3000P - 20 E1 capacity on single card
Kevin P. Fleming wrote: Andrew Kohlsmith wrote: Yes, but then what are you doing with it? You're shuttling the new data to/from a network card in a lot of cases. Combined with other traffic over the PCI bus for normal system operation I could see you coming close to the limitations of regular ole PCI. Absolutely. The DS3000P will definitely support PCI-X, and probably bus speeds of 100MHz or higher, so at least if your system has that you will have plenty of bus capacity. Many servers nowadays actually have their NICs on a separate PCI bus as well, so the TDM and NIC cards won't be contending for the same resources. True enough, but you still need to marshall the data going between PCI busses and to system memory. Certainly not impossible problems to overcome but they do add to the fun of getting a low latency VOIP system together. Very true; realistically, modern PC hardware has more than enough bandwidth to do what is required. The real issue is timing, based on contention for resources, and how that impacts latency. The existing boxes out there (not PCs) that handle DS3 have far lower performance metrics than a 3GHz P4 or similar system :-) That is a meaningless comparison. Those boxes don't the audio touch the processor, or its buses. Regards, Steve ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] DS3000P - 20 E1 capacity on single card
It means something to me. Kevin I am far from needing one of these yet but I am interested in them. I think that clearing up who does the transcoding would help some people. I wonder if someone will use this for large scale network needs. Image Stream is just down the Highway from me and I know that they are using ~1 gigahertz processors on their T3 routing systems with multiple NICs. What would be a real example of use. EG: A Tyan Transport TX46 and this card could handle what ever you could put on it. What is the realistic low end of system that could support this card. Andrew On 4/13/05, Steve Underwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin P. Fleming wrote: Andrew Kohlsmith wrote: Yes, but then what are you doing with it? You're shuttling the new data to/from a network card in a lot of cases. Combined with other traffic over the PCI bus for normal system operation I could see you coming close to the limitations of regular ole PCI. Absolutely. The DS3000P will definitely support PCI-X, and probably bus speeds of 100MHz or higher, so at least if your system has that you will have plenty of bus capacity. Many servers nowadays actually have their NICs on a separate PCI bus as well, so the TDM and NIC cards won't be contending for the same resources. True enough, but you still need to marshall the data going between PCI busses and to system memory. Certainly not impossible problems to overcome but they do add to the fun of getting a low latency VOIP system together. Very true; realistically, modern PC hardware has more than enough bandwidth to do what is required. The real issue is timing, based on contention for resources, and how that impacts latency. The existing boxes out there (not PCs) that handle DS3 have far lower performance metrics than a 3GHz P4 or similar system :-) That is a meaningless comparison. Those boxes don't the audio touch the processor, or its buses. Regards, Steve ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- Andrew Latham http://www.lathama.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] If any of the above are not working, we have bigger problems than my email. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] DS3000P - 20 E1 capacity on single card
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 04/12/2005 11:36:47 PM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In other words, a PCI-based co-processor would double the PCI bus bandwidth necessary. And with a latency-sensitive product like voice, bus contention is not something you want to add to! :) It only 'doubles the bandwidth required' when compared to a single-board solution, which does not exist. My statement was not meant as a criticism: only a description as to the difference beween putting the coprocessor on the DS3 board versus putting it on the PCI bus. As someone who has no need for a DS3 board, I am not familiar with whether there is a card that does everything on a single board. I was just describing the difference in response to a question. When compared to doing the transcoding and echo can in the host CPU, it would be a major win :-) Ah, the magic of DSP's! :) There's no question that you would be challenged to do a DS3-worth of transcoding and echo cancelling with a general-purpose CPU (or even several). Also, keep in mind that a DS3 is _only_ 45 megabits per second. Any PCI bus (even lowly 33MHz 32-bit PCI) can easily handle 90 megabits per second of traffic. People looking a DS3 cards are also likely to deploy them in servers with multiple independent PCI buses, which would then allow for even more bandwidth. There is no question about this. Base PCI can handle a theoretical maximum of 132MB (That's *bytes*) per second. A DS3 with separate co-processor board is a tiny part of that: about equivilent to that of a 100Mbit Ethernet controller. Old hat. The only issue is latency. Either you transfer information in big chunks efficiently, or small pieces inefficiently. Given that there will be at least three devices participating on the bus (the CPU, the DS3 card and that theoretical co-processor), that means bus contention. If you're talking 33MHz 32-bit PCI (which, from the picture, seems to be what we're talking about here), you may run into problems when you add in the Ethernet controller, disk controller, etc. Of course, high-end hardware makes this less of an issue: if you can dedicate a PCI bus to the two cards, then go crazy! And if you actually *need* to manage 672 channels, you can afford a decent server with dual PCI busses! :) The mind boggles at the possibilities! My mind boggles at the need for a DS3 in the first place. I thought I was pretty cool the day I got my first T1! :) Some of us have to slum it for a living... :) Tim Massey ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] DS3000P - 20 E1 capacity on single card
Andres wrote: Can you confirm if there will be some sort of DSP daughther card add on of some sort for the DS3000 so that we can run G729 transcoding? I don't see how the DS3 interface would be usefull unless we could offload transcoding stuff to onboard DSPs. Or is Digium only going to recommend this card for G711 only uses? No, I cannot comment on that. It is safe to say that for non-transcoding applications, any reasonable 64-bit CPU should be able to handle the full traffic load of a DS-3. A 32-bit CPU will run into problems supporting an adequate number of threads. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] DS3000P - 20 E1 capacity on single card
Andrew Kohlsmith wrote: secondary card for DSP functions is very inefficient of the PCI bus. I'd be curious to know if the Digium cards can even do PCI-PCI DMA. The Digium TDM cards can DMA into any RAM accessible over the PCI bus, regardless of whether it is located on the motherboard or on a PCI card. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] DS3000P - 20 E1 capacity on single card
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andres wrote: Can you confirm if there will be some sort of DSP daughther card add on of some sort for the DS3000 so that we can run G729 transcoding? I don't see how the DS3 interface would be usefull unless we could offload transcoding stuff to onboard DSPs. Or is Digium only going to recommend this card for G711 only uses? No, I cannot comment on that. Kevin, What is target release date for DS3000P? ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] DS3000P - 20 E1 capacity on single card
Bicom Systems wrote: What is target release date for DS3000P? That has not been announced; sometime after today would be a safe assumption :-) ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] DS3000P - 20 E1 capacity on single card
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 04/12/2005 10:51:49 AM: Andrew Kohlsmith wrote: secondary card for DSP functions is very inefficient of the PCI bus. I'd be curious to know if the Digium cards can even do PCI-PCI DMA. The Digium TDM cards can DMA into any RAM accessible over the PCI bus, regardless of whether it is located on the motherboard or on a PCI card. That's not the point. The point is that you have to transfer voice data twice: once from the DS3 card to the co-processor, and once from there to the eventual destination (probably system RAM). If the co-processor is integrated into the DS3 card that first transfer is handled and echo-cancelling is performed *before* the data hits the PCI bus. In other words, a PCI-based co-processor would double the PCI bus bandwidth necessary. And with a latency-sensitive product like voice, bus contention is not something you want to add to! :) Tim Massey ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] DS3000P - 20 E1 capacity on single card
Gee...If I were the betting type, I'd take a few that there's going to be some flavor MVIP connector on that card. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 2:20 PM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] DS3000P - 20 E1 capacity on single card [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 04/12/2005 10:51:49 AM: Andrew Kohlsmith wrote: secondary card for DSP functions is very inefficient of the PCI bus. I'd be curious to know if the Digium cards can even do PCI-PCI DMA. The Digium TDM cards can DMA into any RAM accessible over the PCI bus, regardless of whether it is located on the motherboard or on a PCI card. That's not the point. The point is that you have to transfer voice data twice: once from the DS3 card to the co-processor, and once from there to the eventual destination (probably system RAM). If the co-processor is integrated into the DS3 card that first transfer is handled and echo-cancelling is performed *before* the data hits the PCI bus. In other words, a PCI-based co-processor would double the PCI bus bandwidth necessary. And with a latency-sensitive product like voice, bus contention is not something you want to add to! :) Tim Massey ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] DS3000P - 20 E1 capacity on single card
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bicom Systems wrote: What is target release date for DS3000P? That has not been announced; sometime after today would be a safe assumption :-) Sure thing... In any case as you wrote sometime after today we all should know :-) Ta Senad ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] DS3000P - 20 E1 capacity on single card
Kevin P. Fleming wrote: Andres wrote: Can you confirm if there will be some sort of DSP daughther card add on of some sort for the DS3000 so that we can run G729 transcoding? I don't see how the DS3 interface would be usefull unless we could offload transcoding stuff to onboard DSPs. Or is Digium only going to recommend this card for G711 only uses? No, I cannot comment on that. It is safe to say that for non-transcoding applications, any reasonable 64-bit CPU should be able to handle the full traffic load of a DS-3. A 32-bit CPU will run into problems supporting an adequate number of threads. So, no hardware encoding on this beast? -Matthew ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] DS3000P - 20 E1 capacity on single card
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In other words, a PCI-based co-processor would double the PCI bus bandwidth necessary. And with a latency-sensitive product like voice, bus contention is not something you want to add to! :) It only 'doubles the bandwidth required' when compared to a single-board solution, which does not exist. When compared to doing the transcoding and echo can in the host CPU, it would be a major win :-) Also, keep in mind that a DS3 is _only_ 45 megabits per second. Any PCI bus (even lowly 33MHz 32-bit PCI) can easily handle 90 megabits per second of traffic. People looking a DS3 cards are also likely to deploy them in servers with multiple independent PCI buses, which would then allow for even more bandwidth. The mind boggles at the possibilities! ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] DS3000P - 20 E1 capacity on single card
Matthew Boehm wrote: So, no hardware encoding on this beast? The announcement on the website makes no mention of transcoding, echo cancellation or toast-and-jam making, so at this time, no, there is no hardware transcoding apparently included. (Besides, would you really want a board that could only ENcode? G) ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] DS3000P - 20 E1 capacity on single card
Kevin, Keep in mind that according to Wiki there are no DSP's on the board. -m On Tue, 12 Apr 2005, Kevin P. Fleming wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In other words, a PCI-based co-processor would double the PCI bus bandwidth necessary. And with a latency-sensitive product like voice, bus contention is not something you want to add to! :) It only 'doubles the bandwidth required' when compared to a single-board solution, which does not exist. When compared to doing the transcoding and echo can in the host CPU, it would be a major win :-) Also, keep in mind that a DS3 is _only_ 45 megabits per second. Any PCI bus (even lowly 33MHz 32-bit PCI) can easily handle 90 megabits per second of traffic. People looking a DS3 cards are also likely to deploy them in servers with multiple independent PCI buses, which would then allow for even more bandwidth. The mind boggles at the possibilities! ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] DS3000P - 20 E1 capacity on single card
Kevin, Mmm. Yep. -m On Tue, 12 Apr 2005, Kevin P. Fleming wrote: Matthew Boehm wrote: So, no hardware encoding on this beast? The announcement on the website makes no mention of transcoding, echo cancellation or toast-and-jam making, so at this time, no, there is no hardware transcoding apparently included. (Besides, would you really want a board that could only ENcode? G) ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] DS3000P - 20 E1 capacity on single card
Andrew Kohlsmith wrote: Now they MAY have incorporated the TJ320 chip logic in the Xilinx Spartan II FPGA but I would be **VERY** surprised if they did that. Just my opinion, but I think that level 2 digium tech is full of shit. Andrew is correct; there are no TigerJet parts on the quad-span cards. There will also not be any TigerJet parts on the DS3000P card, as they don't make anything that would be useful there :-) ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] DS3000P - 20 E1 capacity on single card
Remco Barende wrote: like it says, the equivalent of 20 E1's or 28 T1's and I guess you know how many channels a E1 or T1 PRI is That is correct; the DS3000P will support full access to every channel on the DS-3 (or E-3), however it is provisioned. In a T1-RBS signaling mode, that means 672 voice channels. In a T1-PRI signaling mode, it could be as many as 670 or as few as 644, depending on how many D-channels are provisioned. The same logic applies to E-3 mode: since an E-3 is the equivalent of 16 E-1, the channel capacity will vary from 496 to 480, depending on signaling mode. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] DS3000P - 20 E1 capacity on single card
Andrew is correct; there are no TigerJet parts on the quad-span cards. There will also not be any TigerJet parts on the DS3000P card, as they don't make anything that would be useful there :-) Kevin, Can you confirm if there will be some sort of DSP daughther card add on of some sort for the DS3000 so that we can run G729 transcoding? I don't see how the DS3 interface would be usefull unless we could offload transcoding stuff to onboard DSPs. Or is Digium only going to recommend this card for G711 only uses? Thanks, -- Andres Network Admin http://www.telesip.net ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] DS3000P - 20 E1 capacity on single card
Andres wrote: Andrew is correct; there are no TigerJet parts on the quad-span cards. There will also not be any TigerJet parts on the DS3000P card, as they don't make anything that would be useful there :-) Kevin, Can you confirm if there will be some sort of DSP daughther card add on of some sort for the DS3000 so that we can run G729 transcoding? I don't see how the DS3 interface would be usefull unless we could offload transcoding stuff to onboard DSPs. Or is Digium only going to recommend this card for G711 only uses? Thanks, Oh god, you've got to be kidding if this is only for G711. You'd have to have a 2nd DS3 worth of bandwidth to handle all those calls. What about on board echo canceling? Software-based echo cancel on 670 would put quite a load on any system. -Matthew ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] DS3000P - 20 E1 capacity on single card
On April 11, 2005 03:17 pm, Andres wrote: Can you confirm if there will be some sort of DSP daughther card add on of some sort for the DS3000 so that we can run G729 transcoding? I don't see how the DS3 interface would be usefull unless we could offload transcoding stuff to onboard DSPs. Or is Digium only going to recommend this card for G711 only uses? (Note, I do not work for nor speak for Digium.) G711 only; if you want transcode do that on a cluster of boxes feeding the box with this card in it. -A. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] DS3000P - 20 E1 capacity on single card
(Note, I do not work for nor speak for Digium.) G711 only; if you want transcode do that on a cluster of boxes feeding the box with this card in it. -A. Or wait another 10 generations of Pentium Processors to catch up with DS3 G729 requirements :) -- Andres Network Admin http://www.telesip.net ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] DS3000P - 20 E1 capacity on single card
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On April 11, 2005 03:17 pm, Andres wrote: Can you confirm if there will be some sort of DSP daughther card add on of some sort for the DS3000 so that we can run G729 transcoding? I don't see how the DS3 interface would be usefull unless we could offload transcoding stuff to onboard DSPs. Or is Digium only going to recommend this card for G711 only uses? (Note, I do not work for nor speak for Digium.) G711 only; if you want transcode do that on a cluster of boxes feeding the box with this card in it. Come June/July an USB/PCI DSP cost effective solution should be available to address this issues. It will transcode nearly all codec's. I am not in position to reveal the company name at this stage unless MN wants to speak up :) Ta Senad ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] DS3000P - 20 E1 capacity on single card
Come June/July an USB/PCI DSP cost effective solution should be available to address this issues. It will transcode nearly all codec's. I am not in position to reveal the company name at this stage unless MN wants to speak up :) Put me on the mailing list for the PCI DSP card, I'll beta test if you want. Make the cPCI and you have yourself a product! -Matt ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] DS3000P - 20 E1 capacity on single card
On April 11, 2005 06:43 pm, Bicom Systems wrote: Come June/July an USB/PCI DSP cost effective solution should be available to address this issues. It will transcode nearly all codec's. I am not in position to reveal the company name at this stage unless MN wants to speak up :) secondary card for DSP functions is very inefficient of the PCI bus. I'd be curious to know if the Digium cards can even do PCI-PCI DMA. And USB? I would be *very* curious to see what these products can actually do to help. There's a very good reason why any TDM boards that do off-CPU processing do it on the same card or over a separate bus... -A. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] DS3000P - 20 E1 capacity on single card
On April 9, 2005 08:25 pm, Eric Wieling wrote: Which specific Digium card does not use the TigerJet chip (as shown in lspci)? TE405P: 05:03.0 Communication controller: Xilinx Corporation: Unknown device 0314 (rev 01) I imagine the TE410 and TE110 are both also similarly lspci'd. I have a TE405P and mine shows up as Xilinx but a lvl 2 tech a digium says it still uses the TigerJet chipset. That's why it won't work in my Dell. -Matthew ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] DS3000P - 20 E1 capacity on single card
On April 10, 2005 12:01 pm, Matthew Boehm wrote: I have a TE405P and mine shows up as Xilinx but a lvl 2 tech a digium says it still uses the TigerJet chipset. That's why it won't work in my Dell. I'll paypal you US$100 if you can find a TJ320 chip on either the TE410P or TE405P. It doesn't exist. Now they MAY have incorporated the TJ320 chip logic in the Xilinx Spartan II FPGA but I would be **VERY** surprised if they did that. Just my opinion, but I think that level 2 digium tech is full of shit. -A. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] DS3000P - 20 E1 capacity on single card
izo wrote: I just checked digium's site. Looks like next big thing is coming to town DS3 on single card. Would be nice to know how many channels it can handle. Anybody had his hands on this card or knows some details ? Please God, if you can hear me, don't let them use a TigerJet chipet. -- Always do right. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest. Mark Twain ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] DS3000P - 20 E1 capacity on single card
like it says, the equivalent of 20 E1's or 28 T1's and I guess you know how many channels a E1 or T1 PRI is On Sat, 9 Apr 2005, izo wrote: I just checked digium's site. Looks like next big thing is coming to town DS3 on single card. Would be nice to know how many channels it can handle. Anybody had his hands on this card or knows some details ? regards m. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] DS3000P - 20 E1 capacity on single card
On April 9, 2005 02:13 pm, Eric Wieling wrote: izo wrote: I just checked digium's site. Looks like next big thing is coming to town DS3 on single card. Would be nice to know how many channels it can handle. Anybody had his hands on this card or knows some details ? Please God, if you can hear me, don't let them use a TigerJet chipet. I don't think they will; their quad T1/E1/J1 have no such POS on them. -A. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] DS3000P - 20 E1 capacity on single card
Andrew Kohlsmith wrote: On April 9, 2005 02:13 pm, Eric Wieling wrote: izo wrote: I just checked digium's site. Looks like next big thing is coming to town DS3 on single card. Would be nice to know how many channels it can handle. Anybody had his hands on this card or knows some details ? Please God, if you can hear me, don't let them use a TigerJet chipet. I don't think they will; their quad T1/E1/J1 have no such POS on them. Which specific Digium card does not use the TigerJet chip (as shown in lspci)? -- Always do right. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest. Mark Twain ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] DS3000P - 20 E1 capacity on single card
On April 9, 2005 08:25 pm, Eric Wieling wrote: Which specific Digium card does not use the TigerJet chip (as shown in lspci)? TE405P: 05:03.0 Communication controller: Xilinx Corporation: Unknown device 0314 (rev 01) I imagine the TE410 and TE110 are both also similarly lspci'd. -A. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] DS3000P - 20 E1 capacity on single card
Andrew Kohlsmith wrote: On April 9, 2005 08:25 pm, Eric Wieling wrote: Which specific Digium card does not use the TigerJet chip (as shown in lspci)? TE405P: 05:03.0 Communication controller: Xilinx Corporation: Unknown device 0314 (rev 01) I imagine the TE410 and TE110 are both also similarly lspci'd. I sit corrected. The 4-port T-1/E-1 cards do use the Xilinx. The 1-port cards and 4-port TDM cards do not. -- Always do right. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest. Mark Twain ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
