Re: todo: add language encoding information

2005-12-22 Thread Henry Story
On 22 Dec 2005, at 21:34, James M Snell wrote: In that case, the only viable solution is an extension element. Yep. I have added James Holderness's solution and clarified the points in N3. This is similar to the Thread Extension use case in which replies may appear within the same feed

Re: [Fwd: Re: todo: add language encoding information]

2005-12-22 Thread James M Snell
Hmmm.. interesting thought, hadn't considered that. rel="self" should always point to *this* document, and never to some other document, but if the document referenced is the same document just in a different language, then it is possible? Good thinking but I'm not sure if it's legal accordi

Re: [Fwd: Re: todo: add language encoding information]

2005-12-22 Thread James M Snell
In that case, the only viable solution is an extension element. This is similar to the Thread Extension use case in which replies may appear within the same feed as the original. Here's how I would do it: 1. Introduce a new element. 2. Use rel="alternate", hreflang="{otherlanguage

Re: [Fwd: Re: todo: add language encoding information]

2005-12-22 Thread A. Pagaltzis
* James Holderness <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-12-22 21:00]: > I would have thought @rel='alternate' (an alternate version of > the resource described by the containing element) slightly more > appropriate than @rel='self' (a resource equivalent to the > containing element). There's also the restric

Re: todo: add language encoding information

2005-12-22 Thread James Holderness
Henry Story wrote: I still think it would be good to be able to have to entries in one feed and be able to state that they are translations of one another. I don't think that putting them in different feeds is going to cover all the cases. See below. Fair enough. Simon certainly seemed to

Re: [Fwd: Re: todo: add language encoding information]

2005-12-22 Thread Henry Story
Yes. That is one solution. But what we are looking for is how one can state that two entries in the same feed are translations of one another. Henry On 22 Dec 2005, at 20:52, James M Snell wrote: Hmmm.. interesting thought, hadn't considered that. rel="self" should always point to *this*

Re: [Fwd: Re: todo: add language encoding information]

2005-12-22 Thread James Holderness
A. Pagaltzis wrote: * James M Snell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-12-22 19:30]: To indicate that the feeds were translations of one another, a new "translation" link rel could be established on the feed level Is that even necessary? Wouldn’t @rel='self' already work here? I would have thought

Re: todo: add language encoding information

2005-12-22 Thread Henry Story
I still think it would be good to be able to have to entries in one feed and be able to state that they are translations of one another. I don't think that putting them in different feeds is going to cover all the cases. See below. On 22 Dec 2005, at 17:45, James M Snell wrote: One possib

Re: todo: add language encoding information

2005-12-22 Thread Henry Story
Simon makes some good practical points in the message I forwarded just previous to this one. But I would like to make some more abstract points too for those of you who are more of the Jungian introspective/rational character types (most of us here I guess or else we would be out surfing

Re: todo: add language encoding information

2005-12-22 Thread Henry Story
Simon is not a member of the atom-syntax list. I imagine his response will get through atom syntax moderation at some point, though as we are in holiday season, I imagine this could take some time. I have also changed the policy on [EMAIL PROTECTED] to allow posts by non members, forcing

Re: [Fwd: Re: todo: add language encoding information]

2005-12-22 Thread A. Pagaltzis
* James M Snell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-12-22 19:30]: > To indicate that the feeds were translations of one another, a > new "translation" link rel could be established on the feed > level > > > ... >hreflang="fr" > href="http://.../thefeed?lang=fr"; > > tag:examp

[Fwd: Re: todo: add language encoding information]

2005-12-22 Thread James M Snell
FYI... Original Message Subject: Re: todo: add language encoding information Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:03:25 +0100 From: Henry Story <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: James M Snell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi James, you forgot to send this to the Atom syntax l

Re: todo: add language encoding information

2005-12-22 Thread James Holderness
Henry Story wrote: Does Atom allow there to be multiple parallel renditions of a blog entry in different languages? So it is not really possible to put atom entries with the same id and updated time stamp in a feed (without a SHOULD level violation) even if they are translation of each ot

Re: todo: add language encoding information

2005-12-22 Thread Henry Story
Sorry again to take so long to respond. I have been a little too busy to respond recently. On 4 Dec 2005, at 16:42, Simon Phipps wrote: On Dec 4, 2005, at 14:33, Henry Story wrote: I have written my first blog entry in French [1] which has made me aware that it would be very useful to add