Re: PaceIRI status

2005-01-29 Thread Mark Nottingham
Not to advocate one position or another, but RFC 3987 doesn't obsolete RFC 3986; we have a choice. On Jan 24, 2005, at 4:17 PM, Tim Bray wrote: If there were no further discussion: It's hard to see how to avoid adopting this now that IRIs are standards-track RFC. -Tim -- Mark Nottingham

Re: PaceIRI status: RFC 3987 and STD 66, RFC 3986, published

2005-01-29 Thread Martin Duerst
Hello Robert, Thanks for your questions, and for studying IRIs so carefully. At 09:15 05/01/29, Robert Sayre wrote: IRIs are a step forward and important to include in the spec, but they also worry me. In RFC3987, I read the following: The approach of defining a new protocol element was chosen

Re: PaceIRI status: RFC 3987 and STD 66, RFC 3986, published

2005-01-28 Thread Robert Sayre
Martin Duerst wrote: The IRI spec is now published as RFC 3987 (Proposed Standard, http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3987.txt). The update of the URI spec, known as RFC2396bis, is now published as STD 66, RFC 3986. Even less reason for not adopting them. Editors, please update your references. I'll

Re: PaceIRI status

2005-01-26 Thread Julian Reschke
Martin Duerst wrote: ... Bjoern was making a vaild, but fine, point: Because we decided to refer to RFC2396bis, rather than to RFC2396, we already have bought into the fact that RFC2396bis allows percent-encoded domain names, and thus essentially requires IDN support. (apart from the basic fact

Re: PaceIRI status

2005-01-26 Thread Danny Ayers
+1 on PaceIRI I'm a little hesitant on this because I'm not familiar with the issues, but it's something we'll probably all have to broach sometime soon. Martin seems to know what he's talking about ;-) On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 08:54:51 +0100, Julian Reschke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin Duerst

Re: PaceIRI status

2005-01-25 Thread Julian Reschke
Tim Bray wrote: If there were no further discussion: It's hard to see how to avoid adopting this now that IRIs are standards-track RFC. -Tim I saw some concerns (with which I agree) that requiring the presence of an IDN library is problematic. As far as I can tell, it's likely to be ignored by

Re: PaceIRI status

2005-01-25 Thread Martin Duerst
At 17:16 05/01/25, Julian Reschke wrote: Also; I sypmathize with supporting IRI, but that shouldn't mean it needs to replace any usage of URIs Every URI is an IRI by definition. So all URIs that are in use can be used with Atom without any problems even if the spec says we use IRIs. Replacement

Re: PaceIRI status

2005-01-25 Thread Julian Reschke
Martin Duerst wrote: At 17:16 05/01/25, Julian Reschke wrote: Also; I sypmathize with supporting IRI, but that shouldn't mean it needs to replace any usage of URIs Every URI is an IRI by definition. So all URIs that are in use can be used with Atom without any problems even if the spec says we

Re: PaceIRI status

2005-01-25 Thread Anne van Kesteren
Julian Reschke wrote: The big difference here is that XMLNS uses IRIs/URIs as identifiers and only for that. However, what is an XSLT that transforms Atom content to HTML supposed to do when it encounters a IRI which isn't a legal URI? For instance, it can't put it into an HTML href attribute

Re: PaceIRI status

2005-01-25 Thread Bjoern Hoehrmann
* Julian Reschke wrote: The big difference here is that XMLNS uses IRIs/URIs as identifiers and only for that. However, what is an XSLT that transforms Atom content to HTML supposed to do when it encounters a IRI which isn't a legal URI? http://www.w3.org/TR/xslt#section-HTML-Output-Method

Re: PaceIRI status

2005-01-25 Thread Bill de hÓra
Martin Duerst wrote: At 17:16 05/01/25, Julian Reschke wrote: Also; I sypmathize with supporting IRI, but that shouldn't mean it needs to replace any usage of URIs Every URI is an IRI by definition. So all URIs that are in use can be used with Atom without any problems even if the spec says we

Re: PaceIRI status

2005-01-25 Thread Bjoern Hoehrmann
* Julian Reschke wrote: The big difference here is that XMLNS uses IRIs/URIs as identifiers and only for that. However, what is an XSLT that transforms Atom content to HTML supposed to do when it encounters a IRI which isn't a legal URI? http://www.w3.org/TR/xslt#section-HTML-Output-Method

Re: PaceIRI status

2005-01-25 Thread Martin Duerst
At 01:52 05/01/26, Paul Hoffman wrote: At 9:16 AM +0100 1/25/05, Julian Reschke wrote: I saw some concerns (with which I agree) that requiring the presence of an IDN library is problematic. As far as I can tell, it's likely to be ignored by developers of clients that run on somwehat constrained

Re: PaceIRI status

2005-01-25 Thread David Czarnecki
On 1/25/05 7:45 PM, Martin Duerst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 01:52 05/01/26, Paul Hoffman wrote: At 9:16 AM +0100 1/25/05, Julian Reschke wrote: I saw some concerns (with which I agree) that requiring the presence of an IDN library is problematic. As far as I can tell, it's likely to

Re: PaceIRI status: RFC 3987 and STD 66, RFC 3986, published

2005-01-25 Thread Martin Duerst
At 09:17 05/01/25, Tim Bray wrote: If there were no further discussion: It's hard to see how to avoid adopting this now that IRIs are standards-track RFC. -Tim Some good news: The IRI spec is now published as RFC 3987 (Proposed Standard, http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3987.txt). The update of the