RE: Compulsory feed ID?

2005-05-23 Thread Bob Wyman
Antone Roundy wrote re the issue of DOS attacks: I've been a bit surprised that you [Bob Wyman] haven't been more active in taking the lead on pushing the conversation forward and ensuring that threads addressing the issue don't die out, given the strength of your comments on the issue in

Re: Compulsory feed ID?

2005-05-22 Thread Martin Duerst
At 08:47 05/05/20, Eric Scheid wrote: On 19/5/05 10:41 PM, Tim Bray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We suggest that there may be WG consensus in favor of changing the format spec to make atom:id a required child of atom:feed. (Text not provided, we trust the editors to figure out the correct way

RE: Compulsory feed ID?

2005-05-22 Thread Paul Hoffman
At 2:30 AM -0400 5/21/05, Bob Wyman wrote: I think it would be both wise and appropriate to provide text in a Security Concerns section that describes the vulnerability of systems that rely on Atom documents to this particular attack. That's why we have signed documents, which are described

Re: Compulsory feed ID?

2005-05-22 Thread Tim Bray
On May 22, 2005, at 3:13 AM, Martin Duerst wrote: We suggest that there may be WG consensus in favor of changing the format spec to make atom:id a required child of atom:feed. (Text not provided, we trust the editors to figure out the correct way to say this). Please indicate

RE: Compulsory feed ID?

2005-05-21 Thread Bob Wyman
Tim Bray wrote: I think the WG basically decided to punt on the DOS scenario. -Tim I believe you are correct in describing the WG's unfortunate disposition towards this issue. (Naturally, I object...) In any case, given that a significant DOS attack has been identified -- yet not

Re: Compulsory feed ID?

2005-05-21 Thread Antone Roundy
On Saturday, May 21, 2005, at 12:30 AM, Bob Wyman wrote: Tim Bray wrote: I think the WG basically decided to punt on the DOS scenario. -Tim I believe you are correct in describing the WG's unfortunate disposition towards this issue. (Naturally, I object...) I've tried to get

Re: Compulsory feed ID?

2005-05-20 Thread Tim Bray
On May 19, 2005, at 12:36 PM, Robert Sayre wrote: On 5/19/05, Tim Bray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: co-chair-mode (Text not provided, we trust the editors to figure out the correct way to say this). The editors request that text be provided. In section 4.1.1, change the bullet point that reads

Re: Compulsory feed ID?

2005-05-19 Thread Sam Ruby
Tim Bray wrote: On May 18, 2005, at 9:11 AM, Sam Ruby wrote: There seemed to be consensus that feeds needed something to identify them. What there wasn't consensus on is which element should be that identifier. The solution selected was to make none of the identifiers required -

Re: Compulsory feed ID?

2005-05-19 Thread Robert Sayre
On 5/19/05, Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course, breaking any link in my complicated chain of logic above would cause the whole argument to collapse, which would be fine with me. Maybe the requirement is useless. If multiple atom:entry elements with the same atom:id value appear in

Re: Compulsory feed ID?

2005-05-19 Thread Norman Walsh
/ Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: | What should we do? One way to solve this is to require id *and* update | Graham's original proposal accordingly, *and* incorporate it into the next | (and presumably final draft). | | - - - | | That's what I meant by There is a danger of looking

Re: Compulsory feed ID?

2005-05-19 Thread Danny Ayers
On 5/19/05, Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Graham Park has proposed that we loosen the existing language to permit duplicate ids in the case where the entries have atom:source elements which identify different URI's in self links. I support this compromise and believe it

Re: Compulsory feed ID?

2005-05-19 Thread Graham
On 19 May 2005, at 9:38 pm, Sam Ruby wrote: What should we do? One way to solve this is to require id *and* update Graham's original proposal accordingly, *and* incorporate it into the next (and presumably final draft). The original proposal actually relied on ids:

Re: Compulsory feed ID?

2005-05-19 Thread Eric Scheid
On 19/5/05 10:41 PM, Tim Bray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We suggest that there may be WG consensus in favor of changing the format spec to make atom:id a required child of atom:feed. (Text not provided, we trust the editors to figure out the correct way to say this). Please indicate

Re: Compulsory feed ID?

2005-05-19 Thread Antone Roundy
On Thursday, May 19, 2005, at 06:41 AM, Tim Bray wrote: We suggest that there may be WG consensus in favor of changing the format spec to make atom:id a required child of atom:feed. (Text not provided, we trust the editors to figure out the correct way to say this). Please indicate agreement