Re: atom:modified indicates temporal ORDER not version....

2005-05-23 Thread Henry Story
I just found an excellent article on the subject of identity: http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/identity/ It is heavy reading. But it does give an excellent overview of the subject. I can't say that I managed in a couple of hours to fully digest all the information in there. Henry On 22

atom:modified indicates temporal ORDER not version....

2005-05-21 Thread Bob Wyman
Robert Sayre wrote: Versioning problems aren't solved by timestamps. I don't understand why this version issue keeps coming up. It should be apparent to everyone that there is NO relationship between timestamp and version. Timestamps have only two functions: 1. Different

Re: atom:modified indicates temporal ORDER not version....

2005-05-21 Thread Robert Sayre
On 5/21/05, Bob Wyman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert Sayre wrote: Atom should support atom:modified to permit the temporal-ordering of members of sets that share the same atom:id and atom:updated values. This has nothing to do with versioning. What does atom:id have to do with

Re: atom:modified indicates temporal ORDER not version....

2005-05-21 Thread Eric Scheid
On 22/5/05 7:49 AM, Robert Sayre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Atom should support atom:modified to permit the temporal-ordering of members of sets that share the same atom:id and atom:updated values. This has nothing to do with versioning. What does atom:id have to do with temporal

RE: atom:modified indicates temporal ORDER not version....

2005-05-21 Thread Bob Wyman
Robert Sayre wrote: What does atom:id have to do with temporal ordering? Absolutely nothing. Atom:id is used to identify sets of entry instances which, according to the Atom specification, should be considered the same entry. Sets composed of instances of the same entry can then

Re: atom:modified indicates temporal ORDER not version....

2005-05-21 Thread Robert Sayre
On 5/21/05, Bob Wyman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert Sayre wrote: What does atom:id have to do with temporal ordering? Absolutely nothing. Atom:id is used to identify sets of entry instances which, according to the Atom specification, should be considered the same entry.

RE: atom:modified indicates temporal ORDER not version....

2005-05-21 Thread Bob Wyman
I wrote: I believe this was communicated when I wrote: Atom should support atom:modified to permit the temporal-ordering of members of sets that share the same atom:id and atom:updated values. Robert Sayre wrote: No, that's not what you communicated. How can I temporally order atom

Re: atom:modified indicates temporal ORDER not version....

2005-05-21 Thread Robert Sayre
On 5/21/05, Bob Wyman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wrote: I believe this was communicated when I wrote: Atom should support atom:modified to permit the temporal-ordering of members of sets that share the same atom:id and atom:updated values. Robert Sayre wrote: No, that's not

Re: atom:modified indicates temporal ORDER not version....

2005-05-21 Thread Robert Sayre
in the title of this thread. Read: atom:modified indicates temporal ORDER not version... Clearly, you either aren't reading what you're responding to or you simply don't understand what is written Temporal order of what? They are all the same entry, so what is it you are temporally ordering? Why

Re: atom:modified indicates temporal ORDER not version....

2005-05-21 Thread Henry Story
. The denial of relevance to the issue of version is even in the title of this thread. Read: atom:modified indicates temporal ORDER not version... Clearly, you either aren't reading what you're responding to or you simply don't understand what is written Temporal order of what? They are all

RE: atom:modified indicates temporal ORDER not version....

2005-05-21 Thread Bob Wyman
Robert Sayre wrote: Temporal order of what? They are all the same entry, so what is it you are temporally ordering? We are discussing the temporal ordering of multiple non-identical *instances* of a single Atom entry. It is common in the realm of software engineering to deal with this

Re: atom:modified indicates temporal ORDER not version....

2005-05-21 Thread Robert Sayre
On 5/21/05, Bob Wyman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert Sayre wrote: Temporal order of what? They are all the same entry, so what is it you are temporally ordering? We are discussing the temporal ordering of multiple non-identical *instances* of a single Atom entry. It is common in

Re: atom:modified indicates temporal ORDER not version....

2005-05-21 Thread Henry Story
On 22 May 2005, at 02:27, Robert Sayre wrote: On 5/21/05, Bob Wyman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert Sayre wrote: Temporal order of what? They are all the same entry, so what is it you are temporally ordering? We are discussing the temporal ordering of multiple non- identical

Re: atom:modified indicates temporal ORDER not version....

2005-05-21 Thread Robert Sayre
On 5/21/05, Henry Story [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 22 May 2005, at 02:27, Robert Sayre wrote: On 5/21/05, Bob Wyman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert Sayre wrote: Temporal order of what? They are all the same entry, so what is it you are temporally ordering? We are