Re: xml:base and html rendering

2005-04-21 Thread Norman Walsh
/ Robert Sayre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: | I guess we could also use a quick survey of xml:base support in | parsers, xslt implementations, etc. if we don't already have one. | xml:base was supposed to be in XSLT 1.1, and Saxon supports it right | now. Support for xml:base is part of t

Re: xml:base and html rendering

2005-04-21 Thread Robert Sayre
Bill de hÃra wrote: Being explicit about profiling would be good if that's what we're going to do. Being sure that adding features like xml:base and xhtml:div are not more trouble than they're worth is good. On xml:base, I don't think we actually have a problem with the document architecture. I

Re: xml:base and html rendering

2005-04-21 Thread A. Pagaltzis
* Bill de hÃra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-04-21 17:55]: > My point (which still stands afaict) is that this is a > structural matter, to do with bleed from the container in the > content and that we've solved it with a different approach > altogether for namespaces than what's being suggested for >

Re: xml:base and html rendering

2005-04-21 Thread Bill de hÓra
Robert Sayre wrote: Bill de hÃra wrote: I guess I'm trying to get the WG to think about at this an 'document architecture' level rather than patching issues on a per case basis as we find them. But I guess people can judge for themselves whether the fact that Atom might corrupt carried content i

Re: xml:base and html rendering

2005-04-21 Thread Robert Sayre
Henri Sivonen wrote: Are you suggesting Mozilla is wrong in supporting xml:base in a generic way (including in XHTML)? I don't care about Mozilla (right now). We have xml:base, and we know it's not going to work quite right, all of the time. Either we warn people, or we don't. This may signal a

Re: xml:base and html rendering

2005-04-21 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Apr 21, 2005, at 15:26, Robert Sayre wrote: No. xml:base doesn't mean anything in (x)html, ever, so there is no need for a structural measure. In practice, anything that end up in the xml: namespace is part of the infrastructure and generic underpinnings won't turn them off based on higher-le

Re: xml:base and html rendering

2005-04-21 Thread Robert Sayre
Bill de hÃra wrote: I guess I'm trying to get the WG to think about at this an 'document architecture' level rather than patching issues on a per case basis as we find them. But I guess people can judge for themselves whether the fact that Atom might corrupt carried content is an issue. What sh

Re: xml:baseful test feed

2005-04-21 Thread Robert Sayre
Phil Ringnalda wrote: Robert Sayre wrote: What would be necessary to get this feed to render on one HTML page, ala Bloglines? http://www.franklinmint.fm/2005/04/21/xmlbase.atom Running it through a competant Atom processor? http://feedparser.org/docs/resolving-relative-links.html That's cool! It

Re: xml:base and html rendering

2005-04-21 Thread Bill de hÓra
Norman Walsh wrote: | So I guess my question is - how is scoping xml:base to not apply | within atom:content where type is xhtml not profiling XML Base? That would seem really strange to me. The xml:base attribute on an ancestor of atom:content changes the [base uri] property in the infoset. Down i

Re: xml:baseful test feed

2005-04-21 Thread Phil Ringnalda
Robert Sayre wrote: What would be necessary to get this feed to render on one HTML page, ala Bloglines? http://www.franklinmint.fm/2005/04/21/xmlbase.atom Running it through a competant Atom processor? http://feedparser.org/docs/resolving-relative-links.html Phil Ringnalda

Re: xml:base and html rendering

2005-04-21 Thread Norman Walsh
/ Bill de hÃra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: | Aside from what Anne said, I just scanned the XML Base spec and can't | find anything scope wrt to child elements and attributes. In | particular this (quoted previously here): | | [[[ | The deployment of XML Base is through normative reference

Re: xml:base and html rendering

2005-04-21 Thread Robert Sayre
Bill de hÓra wrote: What is implied by our references appears to be it xml:base either evaluates to all the children under which it's declared or the behavior is undefined because the spec didn't define xml:base usage. So I guess my question is - how is scoping xml:base to not apply within ato

Re: xml:base and html rendering

2005-04-21 Thread Bill de hÓra
Robert Sayre wrote: Bill de hÓra wrote: No, the thing is these two are similar problems structurally insofar as processing directives from the Atom layer are bleeding into the content. No. xml:base doesn't mean anything in (x)html, ever, so there is no need for a structural measure. Additional

xml:baseful test feed

2005-04-21 Thread Robert Sayre
What would be necessary to get this feed to render on one HTML page, ala Bloglines? http://www.franklinmint.fm/2005/04/21/xmlbase.atom Robert Sayre

Re: xml:base and html rendering

2005-04-21 Thread Anne van Kesteren
Robert Sayre wrote: No, the thing is these two are similar problems structurally insofar as processing directives from the Atom layer are bleeding into the content. No. xml:base doesn't mean anything in (x)html, ever, so there is no need for a structural measure. Additional spec text wouldn't b

Re: xml:base and html rendering

2005-04-21 Thread Robert Sayre
Bill de hÓra wrote: No, the thing is these two are similar problems structurally insofar as processing directives from the Atom layer are bleeding into the content. No. xml:base doesn't mean anything in (x)html, ever, so there is no need for a structural measure. Additional spec text wouldn't be

Re: xml:base and html rendering

2005-04-21 Thread Bill de hÓra
David Powell wrote: Quoting Bill de hÓra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Why would we would mandate short-circuiting xml:base processing for XHTML via spec text, but default namespace processing via markup signals? Consistency would suggest some kind of wrapper/marker for xml:base. I don't really understand

Re: xml:base and html rendering

2005-04-21 Thread Eric Scheid
On 21/4/05 8:39 PM, "David Powell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Why would we would mandate short-circuiting xml:base processing for >> XHTML via spec text, but default namespace processing via markup >> signals? Consistency would suggest some kind of wrapper/marker for xml:base. > > I don't rea

Re: xml:base and html rendering

2005-04-21 Thread David Powell
Quoting Bill de hÓra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > I think we need to update the draft and stress that (X)HTML content is > > not subject to xml:base processing. I didn't read this carefully enough when I replied earlier, I didn't see that Robert was suggesting that xml:base shouldn't apply to (X)HTM

Re: xml:base and html rendering

2005-04-21 Thread Bill de hÓra
Robert Sayre wrote: David Powell wrote: I recently tried to render a bunch of Atom entries as an HTML page and I hit a problem. I think it is probably worth mentioning now in case any implementors hadn't noticed it: Atom supports xml:base anywhere in the document, so different entries can have diff

Re: xml:base and html rendering

2005-04-21 Thread David Powell
Thursday, April 21, 2005, 12:32:00 AM, Robert Sayre wrote: > David Powell wrote: >> >> I recently tried to render a bunch of Atom entries as an HTML page and >> I hit a problem. I think it is probably worth mentioning now in case >> any implementors hadn't noticed it: >> >> Atom supports xml:b