self and alternate links for entries

2007-01-30 Thread Bill de hOra
Hi, I'm building a tool (for Plone) at the moment that will publish any content as an Atom Entry by appending '/entry.xml' onto the URL. I had a question about declaring self and alternate links. Here are two options: 1: @rel=self,@type=application/xml+atom links to the Entry

Re: Atom namespace really not ending with / or # ?

2006-12-12 Thread Bill de hOra
Jan Algermissen wrote: Hi, is it really true that the Atom namespace is http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom ? Meaning that it is somewhat difficult to identify Atom elements with URIs: http://www.w3.org/2005/Atomauthor http://www.w3.org/2005/Atomconributor Was that simply a mistake or a

Re: PaceEntryMediatype

2006-12-11 Thread Bill de hOra
Bob Wyman wrote: The impact here is not just limited to APP implementations. If a new media type is defined, it will undoubtedly appear in other contexts as well. Given the current definition of the atom syntax, it is perfectly reasonable for an aggregator to treat a single entry as the

Re: PaceEntryMediatype

2006-12-06 Thread Bill de hOra
Mark Baker wrote: Isn't that just a case of people not implementing the whole spec though? Not really. The RFC defines the structure, not so much the interaction model around feeds (which is driven by UIs more than anything else, so I can buy into it being somewhat arbitrary) Or, are

Re: PaceEntryMediatype

2006-12-06 Thread Bill de hOra
Antone Roundy wrote: On Dec 6, 2006, at 12:14 PM, Jan Algermissen wrote: Following a link is not the same thing as subscribing to something. The act of subscribing is a local activity performed by the user agent. What you do when you follow the link to a feed is a GET. Your agent then

feeds: what does atom:id denote?

2006-12-06 Thread Bill de hOra
Hi, I'm sending entries over XMPP packaged up as feeds. A question that has come up - should the feed's atom:id change each time a feed is sent, or should it remain the same for all feeds issued from a client? cheers Bill

Re: PaceEntryMediatype

2006-12-05 Thread Bill de hOra
Mark Baker wrote: On 12/4/06, James M Snell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All I can go on is evidence of how folks are actually using 'em... and they ain't using 'em as aliases. :-) Ok, I'll take empirical evidence too 8-) Point the way ... Mark, since you introduced it, what's an alias,

Re: PaceEntryMediatype

2006-12-05 Thread Bill de hOra
James M Snell wrote: When I process this entry, http://www.google.com/calendar/feeds/jasnell%40gmail.com/public/basic/10ge5k2k7c488algfbau5q9qc0 I had problems subscribing to that entry in bloglines. Will somebody file a bug? cheers Bill

Re: PaceEntryMediatype

2006-11-30 Thread Bill de hOra
James M Snell wrote: Mark Baker wrote: [snip] Yes, but more than that. An entry document is, AFAICT, little more than shorthand for a feed with one entry, minus the feed-specific metadata. It's processing is a subset of feed processing. If the processing or content model of entry is

Re: PaceEntryMediatype

2006-11-30 Thread Bill de hOra
A. Pagaltzis wrote: * Mark Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-11-29 20:10]: An entry document is, AFAICT, little more than shorthand for a feed with one entry, minus the feed-specific metadata. It's processing is a subset of feed processing. If the processing or content model of entry is extended,

Re: PaceEntryMediatype

2006-11-30 Thread Bill de hOra
Well it's all octets so in one sense the processing is the same. I have to agree with James. The right questions in my mind is this - how is processing an entry different from processing a feed with that and 42 entries? The idea that an entry is a degenerate feed is interesting, but

Re: PaceEntryMediatype

2006-11-30 Thread Bill de hOra
Mark Baker wrote: [..] it it's better than the alternative of many more specific Atom-related media types, which atomentry+xml might set a precedent for. One question and one observation. The question: how will this set a precedent? The observation: if we really want to avoid this problem

Re: feed id's and paged/archive feeds

2006-11-28 Thread Bill de hOra
Mark Nottingham wrote: Sorry, this got lost in my inbox... I think they do, although the draft is silent on it. This is one of those areas where it would have been really nice if the WG had agreed to take on FH as part of the core, rather than extension; there are lots of little

Clarify foreign markup: [was Atom Syndication Format To Draft Standard?]

2006-10-03 Thread Bill de hOra
Robert Sayre wrote: I think we should move the format to Draft Standard by clearing up any errata and adding two attributes: 'dir' and 'unicode-bidi', as defined in XHTML. Thoughts? Foreign markup is ambiguous. [[[ Markup from other vocabularies (foreign markup) can be used in an Atom

Re: Clarify foreign markup: [was Atom Syndication Format To Draft Standard?]

2006-10-03 Thread Bill de hOra
A. Pagaltzis wrote: I think given the above background you'll agree that the intent of the document is pretty coherent. I couldn't tell whether new Atom extensions are foreign markup, or something else to be dealt with under wrt being a forward-compatible friendly consumer. It's kind of

Re: Atom Export

2006-09-27 Thread Bill de hOra
Alastair Rankine wrote: Hello Atom folks, Here is a proposal for an Atom-derived format for exporting of content. The problem I'm trying to solve is that of migration from one authoring system (eg blogging engine) to another. Atom is highly suited to this task. The full problem statement,