Re: [rss-media] Re: Media extensions

2005-07-18 Thread Danny Ayers
On 7/18/05, Robert Sayre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Media RSS already has an effective editor who is also a good listener: Yahoo's David Hall. If the Media RSS folks (or some other constituency who've done their homework) want to use this WG as their venue, that would be great. If not, I would

Re: [rss-media] Re: Media extensions

2005-07-17 Thread Robert Sayre
On 7/16/05, Lucas Gonze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: About a formal standards process, as far as I can tell the only two Bigs involved right now are Apple and Yahoo. Is there anybody else? We can assume that Y! would be pretty friendly. It's not a given that they would participate, but it's

Re: Media extensions

2005-07-17 Thread Paul Hoffman
At 8:58 PM -0400 7/16/05, Robert Sayre wrote: I hesitate to put a number on it, but our experience included a ghastly amount of debate on field names. If I were setting up a WG for something like Media RSS, I would probably rule debate on field names out of order (realizing that people have to

Re: Media extensions

2005-07-17 Thread Robert Sayre
On 7/17/05, Paul Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: co-chair-hat position='on'I would only entertain a charter extension if we had a volunteer to be the document author, and expressed interest from developers. This will certainly be contentious./co-chair-hat Alternatively, someone can write

Re: Media extensions

2005-07-16 Thread A. Pagaltzis
because they were scampering to get to the market with podcasting in iTunes. Yahoo has been, from the start. I think the timing for Atom going gold couldn’t have been much better; had it taken a bit more time, then all discussion of the podcasting and media extensions would have had to revolve

Re: Media extensions

2005-07-16 Thread Danny Ayers
it's because they were scampering to get to the market with podcasting in iTunes. Ah, that's good to hear. Yahoo has been, from the start. I think the timing for Atom going gold couldn't have been much better; had it taken a bit more time, then all discussion of the podcasting and media

Re: Media extensions

2005-07-16 Thread Robert Sayre
On 7/16/05, Danny Ayers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do you even *do* a podcast in Atom? (This is kind-of what I'm trying to get at ;-) What clients support podcasts in Atom? NetNewsWire supports it. Robert Sayre

Re: Media extensions

2005-07-16 Thread Sam Ruby
Danny Ayers wrote: On 7/16/05, A. Pagaltzis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * James M Snell [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-07-16 20:05]: If the community can drive a viable solution without the overhead of a formalized standardization process, it will work out best for everyone and the

Re: Media extensions

2005-07-16 Thread James M Snell
Sam Ruby wrote: Danny Ayers wrote: Yahoo!'s approach did seem to work very well without any formal process, effectively just a mailing list and editor. But then Apple came along... ... at which point, I would think that it should be painfully obvious to all that that which did seem to

Re: Media extensions

2005-07-16 Thread A. Pagaltzis
* Robert Sayre [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-07-16 22:00]: On 7/16/05, Danny Ayers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do you even *do* a podcast in Atom? (This is kind-of what I'm trying to get at ;-) What clients support podcasts in Atom? NetNewsWire supports it. So does Liferea. And while most

Re: Media extensions

2005-07-16 Thread Robert Sayre
On 7/16/05, Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Question: can anybody here quantify the overhead of the IETF standardization process? While I certainly would label some of the last few weeks overhead, everything else I attribute to the impact of allowing and enabling a wider set of

Re: [rss-media] Re: Media extensions

2005-07-16 Thread Lucas Gonze
About a formal standards process, as far as I can tell the only two Bigs involved right now are Apple and Yahoo. Is there anybody else? We can assume that Y! would be pretty friendly. It's not a given that they would participate, but it's plausible. Apple, though, is a different story.

Re: Media extensions

2005-07-16 Thread Karl Dubost
Le 16 juil. 2005, à 13:53, James M Snell a écrit : Let's see if we can avoid the IETF process for now and encourage Yahoo and Apple to get together with the community to work on some a common approach, get some implementations out there to evolve it a bit, then evaluate later whether or not

Re: [rss-media] Re: Media extensions

2005-07-16 Thread A. Pagaltzis
* Lucas Gonze [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-07-17 03:40]: Apple, though, is a different story. Is there any reason to think that they would take it seriously? Mostly this: http://tantek.com/log/2005/07.html#d10t0130 I don’t know if there’s been any other motion yet. Apple, the company, apparently