Re: Question on Use Case: Choosing atom:content's type when ArchivingMailing Lists

2005-06-19 Thread David Powell
Sunday, June 19, 2005, 5:43:36 AM, Antone Roundy wrote: On Saturday, June 18, 2005, at 06:28 PM, David Powell wrote: Atom 0.3 multiparts forced a dubious and complex processing model on everyone wanting to process Atom documents. This problem was solved by their removal in the 03 to 07

Re: Question on Use Case: Choosing atom:content's type when ArchivingMailing Lists

2005-06-19 Thread David Powell
Sunday, June 19, 2005, 5:07:01 AM, you wrote: The prohibition of composite types in the 08 draft (made many months later) Um, no. One of the drafts reworded the requirement in terms of the new MIME draft. Previously, the draft cited RFC2045's discrete type. From format-03: Failing

Re: Question on Use Case: Choosing atom:content's type when ArchivingMailing Lists

2005-06-19 Thread A. Pagaltzis
* Antone Roundy [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-06-19 06:55]: Not all user-agents have a MIME processor. Given the potential complexity and messiness of composite types, I'm opposed to leaving the door open for them, since they won't, I think, be needed by a significant proportion of Atom users.

Re: Question on Use Case: Choosing atom:content's type when ArchivingMailing Lists

2005-06-19 Thread A. Pagaltzis
* Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-06-18 21:50]: The better way to do this is to use atom:link rel=alternate to reference the messages. Is there any verbiage that would preclude a data: URI with a multipart payload in atom:link? Regards, -- Aristotle Pagaltzis // http://plasmasturm.org/

Re: Question on Use Case: Choosing atom:content's type when ArchivingMailing Lists

2005-06-19 Thread David Nesting
On Sat, Jun 18, 2005 at 10:43:36PM -0600, Antone Roundy wrote: Not all user-agents have a MIME processor. Given the potential complexity and messiness of composite types, I'm opposed to leaving the door open for them, since they won't, I think, be needed by a significant proportion of

Re: Question on Use Case: Choosing atom:content's type when ArchivingMailing Lists

2005-06-18 Thread David Powell
Friday, June 17, 2005, 6:14:38 PM, you wrote: Uh, has Mark spotted a dumb bug here that we should fix? Do we care if *remote* content is of a composite MIME type? My feeling was that we ruled out composite types in *local* content, for fairly obvious reasons. The fix is obvious, in

Re: Question on Use Case: Choosing atom:content's type when ArchivingMailing Lists

2005-06-18 Thread David Powell
Saturday, June 18, 2005, 1:40:52 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: Can somebody give me a link to where we discussed the requirement that atom:content MUST NOT contain a composite type? I've tried searching my archive but I couldn't find anything at all. The change was introduced in draft-08. I can't

Re: Question on Use Case: Choosing atom:content's type when ArchivingMailing Lists

2005-06-18 Thread David Powell
Friday, June 17, 2005, 6:14:38 PM, Tim Bray wrote: My feeling was that we ruled out composite types in *local* content [...] I'm still looking, but my suspicion is that we never did rule them out, and that this restriction crept in during some editorial rephrasing. [...] for fairly obvious

Re: Question on Use Case: Choosing atom:content's type when ArchivingMailing Lists

2005-06-18 Thread A. Pagaltzis
* David Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-06-18 17:15]: We are defining a data format here. If publishers want to publish entries as text, message/rfc-822, application/msword, image/jp2, or whatever, then that is up to them. I don't see how we can justify a MUST NOT requirement for composite

Re: Question on Use Case: Choosing atom:content's type when ArchivingMailing Lists

2005-06-18 Thread Tim Bray
On Jun 18, 2005, at 8:00 AM, David Powell wrote: Friday, June 17, 2005, 6:14:38 PM, Tim Bray wrote: My feeling was that we ruled out composite types in *local* content [...] I'm still looking, but my suspicion is that we never did rule them out, and that this restriction crept in

Re: Question on Use Case: Choosing atom:content's type when ArchivingMailing Lists

2005-06-18 Thread Graham
On 17 Jun 2005, at 6:14 pm, Tim Bray wrote: Uh, has Mark spotted a dumb bug here that we should fix? Do we care if *remote* content is of a composite MIME type? My feeling was that we ruled out composite types in *local* content, for fairly obvious reasons. The fix is obvious, in

Re: Question on Use Case: Choosing atom:content's type when ArchivingMailing Lists

2005-06-18 Thread Antone Roundy
On Saturday, June 18, 2005, at 01:36 PM, Graham wrote: On 17 Jun 2005, at 6:14 pm, Tim Bray wrote: Uh, has Mark spotted a dumb bug here that we should fix? Do we care if *remote* content is of a composite MIME type? My feeling was that we ruled out composite types in *local* content, for

Re: Question on Use Case: Choosing atom:content's type when ArchivingMailing Lists

2005-06-17 Thread Mark Baker
Martin, The general idea seems to be that conversion to HTML is good for human consumption with a browser, and for human navigation in an archive. message/rfc822 is the original, and may be very good for reuse in a mailer (e.g. for replying), except that mailers don't support it much at the

Re: Question on Use Case: Choosing atom:content's type when ArchivingMailing Lists

2005-06-17 Thread Tim Bray
Uh, has Mark spotted a dumb bug here that we should fix? Do we care if *remote* content is of a composite MIME type? My feeling was that we ruled out composite types in *local* content, for fairly obvious reasons. The fix is obvious, in 4.1.3.1 Failing that, it MUST be a MIME media

Re: Question on Use Case: Choosing atom:content's type when ArchivingMailing Lists

2005-06-17 Thread James M Snell
Appears that way. +1 to making composite types in remote content legal. Another question while we're discussing this part of the spec (stemming from the XML Enc discussion): currently there appears to be no language about what should happen if an Atom processor encounters a content media

Re: Question on Use Case: Choosing atom:content's type when ArchivingMailing Lists

2005-06-17 Thread A. Pagaltzis
* James M Snell [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-06-17 20:15]: currently there appears to be no language about what should happen if an Atom processor encounters a content media type that it doesn't understand. Should it ignore the content? Does it report an error? Should it try to process the

Re: Question on Use Case: Choosing atom:content's type when ArchivingMailing Lists

2005-06-17 Thread James M Snell
Well, what I'm going for more is an understanding of what should happen during parsing. For example, in Section 5 we dictate that Atom Processors MUST NOT reject an Atom Document containing ... a signature because they are not capable of verifying it... the MOST I think could be done in the

Re: Question on Use Case: Choosing atom:content's type when ArchivingMailing Lists

2005-06-17 Thread Thomas Broyer
Mark Baker wrote: Martin, The general idea seems to be that conversion to HTML is good for human consumption with a browser, and for human navigation in an archive. message/rfc822 is the original, and may be very good for reuse in a mailer (e.g. for replying), except that mailers don't

Re: Question on Use Case: Choosing atom:content's type when ArchivingMailing Lists

2005-06-17 Thread Eric Scheid
On 18/6/05 7:42 AM, Thomas Broyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what if I provide a src attribute but no type attribute? The type attribute would default to text, but text is forbidden if src is provided... I suggest that if src is provided but not type, there is no type value, as this

Re: Question on Use Case: Choosing atom:content's type when ArchivingMailing Lists

2005-06-10 Thread Martin Duerst
Hello Andreas, There was quite some discussion between Keith Moore and me and a few others about how to serve email in the context of draft-duerst-archived-at-XX. See e.g. http://www.imc.org/ietf-822/mail-archive/msg05486.html and many older threads in the same archive. The general idea seems