Re: New Link Relations? [was: Feed History -04]

2005-10-18 Thread Eric Scheid
On 18/10/05 3:32 PM, Mark Nottingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Such agents should also take care to detect circular references between feeds when following them. s/between feeds when/between feed documents/ otherwise +1 e.

Re: New Link Relations? [was: Feed History -04]

2005-10-18 Thread Robert Sayre
On 10/18/05, Mark Nottingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Requiring a separate element to always be present is a non-starter; what is the point of a reusable link relation if you have to use it with another element to contextualise it? I'm really stretching to see any benefit from this approach.

Re: New Link Relations? [was: Feed History -04]

2005-10-17 Thread Mark Nottingham
Good point. On 17/10/2005, at 2:54 PM, James M Snell wrote: +1. An additional security concern would be the potential for circular references -- Mark Nottingham http://www.mnot.net/

Re: New Link Relations? [was: Feed History -04]

2005-10-17 Thread Thomas Broyer
Mark Nottingham wrote: - Attribute Value: prev - Description: A stable URI that, when dereferenced, returns a feed document containing entries that sequentially precede those in the current document. Note that the exact nature of the ordering between the entries and documents containing them

Re: New Link Relations? [was: Feed History -04]

2005-10-17 Thread James M Snell
Thomas Broyer wrote: - Attribute Value: subscribe - Description: A stable URI that, when dereferenced, returns a feed document containing the most recent entries in the feed. This URI is intended to be subscribed to to keep abreast of changes in the feed. When different from the URI of the

Re: New Link Relations? [was: Feed History -04]

2005-10-17 Thread Mark Nottingham
On 17/10/2005, at 4:07 PM, Thomas Broyer wrote: - Attribute Value: first - Description: A stable URI that, when dereferenced, returns a feed document containing those entries furthest preceding those in the current document at the time it was minted. Note that the exact nature of the

Re: New Link Relations? [was: Feed History -04]

2005-10-17 Thread James M Snell
Mark Nottingham wrote: A stable URI was intended to capture that, but I see that wasn't good enough. How about: - Attribute Value: first - Description: A stable URI that, when dereferenced, returns a feed document containing the set of entries furthest preceding those in the current

Re: New Link Relations? [was: Feed History -04]

2005-10-17 Thread Mark Nottingham
So what happens when you need the rel=self (as currently defined) of an archive feed? On 17/10/2005, at 4:28 PM, Eric Scheid wrote: On 18/10/05 9:07 AM, Thomas Broyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Depends whether @rel=self was really meant for subscribing and the spec wording is not

Re: New Link Relations? [was: Feed History -04]

2005-10-17 Thread James M Snell
Mark Nottingham wrote: The intent here was to say that the *set* of entries is generally stable, not that they're set in stone. That's what you want, no? If so, how about: - Attribute Value: first - Description: A stable URI that, when dereferenced, returns a feed document containing

Re: New Link Relations? [was: Feed History -04]

2005-10-17 Thread Eric Scheid
On 18/10/05 9:53 AM, Mark Nottingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what happens when you need the rel=self (as currently defined) of an archive feed? The current definition being ... The value self signifies that the IRI in the value of the href attribute identifies a resource

Re: New Link Relations? [was: Feed History -04]

2005-10-17 Thread Antone Roundy
On Oct 17, 2005, at 3:44 PM, Mark Nottingham wrote: On 17/10/2005, at 12:31 PM, James M Snell wrote: Debating how the entries are organized is fruitless. The Atom spec already states that the order of elements in the feed has no significance; trying to get an extension to retrofit order-

Re: New Link Relations? [was: Feed History -04]

2005-10-17 Thread James M Snell
Antone Roundy wrote: On Oct 17, 2005, at 3:44 PM, Mark Nottingham wrote: On 17/10/2005, at 12:31 PM, James M Snell wrote: Debating how the entries are organized is fruitless. The Atom spec already states that the order of elements in the feed has no significance; trying to get an

Re: New Link Relations? [was: Feed History -04]

2005-10-17 Thread Antone Roundy
On Oct 17, 2005, at 10:17 PM, James M Snell wrote: When I think of next/prev I'm not thinking about any form of temporal semantic. I'm thinking about nothing more than a linked list of feed documents. If you want to add a temporal semantic into the picture, use a mechanism such as the

Re: New Link Relations? [was: Feed History -04]

2005-10-17 Thread Mark Nottingham
Requiring a separate element to always be present is a non-starter; what is the point of a reusable link relation if you have to use it with another element to contextualise it? I'm really stretching to see any benefit from this approach. prev-archive (or maybe prev-entries?) is starting

Re: New Link Relations? [was: Feed History -04]

2005-10-17 Thread Mark Nottingham
+1 On 17/10/2005, at 7:57 PM, Eric Scheid wrote: On 18/10/05 9:53 AM, Mark Nottingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what happens when you need the rel=self (as currently defined) of an archive feed? The current definition being ... The value self signifies that the IRI in the