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Re: to blind new agers Hi ryokI think I’m not using Kur’ran for scientific purposes, rather than showing something that persuades me to think that that book is true and it makes me believe it.Correct me if I’m wrong, Kur’ran was written or brought to earth about 13 or 14 centuries

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Re: to blind new agers @Ryok, that is very much what a muslim I spoke to said about the Koran. He said it was a matter of not taking every word of the Koran one way, but of reding it every day and meditating upon the meaning as an exercise to get closer to god, which is a form

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Re: to blind new agers Steve, your message assumes I am not a Christian. As it happens, I am, and I still find Christian arrogance offensive, perhaps more now than before I walked into church. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=215603#p215603

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Re: to blind new agers @Tom, Ive only got a second to comment on this and obviously its a big issue. To be honest I have real trouble with the idea of Faith as this magical thing that makes you stop reasoning. This is because many religious people who I have respected have also been

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Re: to blind new agers Dark, In all historical books Ive read since I started my school, I have found no date, neither about kurran nor bible. Theres been even no more information than muslims have their precious book Kurran, and catholics have bible. The information about when were

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Re: to blind new agers @Afrim, I do take your point, and agree that archeology isnt perfect. It is an imperfect science a lot of it is based on guesswork as much as physical evidence, and yes you are right that some archeologists do tend to ignore, skip, and even hide evidence that doesnt

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Re: to blind new agers Hello afrim and all.afrim, Im a Muslim like you however, i disagree with you about a few things.I dont believe that the Koran should be used for scientific purposes.let me be honest here. lately, when a scientist in the west discovers something in any field, lets

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Re: to blind new agers @TomWell, I agree that archeology is the best field which can show our past, but I don’t see anything wrong with revealing some new facts which have never been published before. They are researching, and more and more can be discovered everyday.I have always agreed

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Re: to blind new agers Hi all. Seems like Ive missed a lot over the past few days! I dont have the energy to get into all the theological stuff at the moment as I just returned from a long trip, but have some quick comments.@violinist, I definitely agree with you that Christian arrogance

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Re: to blind new agers Hi.@everyone.I thought Id say what i think on this. I personally dont follow any religions and take the spiritual point of view. Meaning simply that we are energy and will go back to the energy when we leave this body. I believe that, god, allah, chi, what ever name

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Re: to blind new agers Hi Tom,I agree that there’s a field there called archeology who can discover somewhat our past. Theoretically, everything works great. They are engaged in this field, do researches and publish surveys. But that’s not always so.Some of the facts that archeologists

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Re: to blind new agers @Afrim, I dont really see what belief in the holy inspiration of a work like the Bible or the Koran has to do with conspiracy theories at all, sinse manifestly one is a historical source, (if there is a source at all), which can be analysed as history, the other

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Re: to blind new agers Dark,Im not trying to correct you here or direct your belief in any way,but those smug people you refered to in your last post... yeah you can pretty much tell if they believe in god or not. There are two different types of Christians. The committed, who go to church

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Re: to blind new agers @Steve, as to your point about the main reason for atheism I dont think it is just Christians that push people away from their faith. The bible itself has a lot to do with pushing people away from the faith. That is, in fact, the main reason I converted to atheism

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Re: to blind new agers ah, I can kind of see where you are coming from, then. If I werent a christian, I mightve found that part of the post off-putting URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=215484#p215484 ___ Audiogames

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Re: to blind new agers Dark,Im not trying to correct you here or direct your belief in any way,but those smug people you refered to in your last post... yeah you can pretty much tell if they believe in god or not. There are two different types of Christians. The committed, who go to church

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Re: to blind new agers @dark, I was in fact responding to post 1 in this thread, and of course youre right I should have been more specific.@severestormsteve1, my comment about parenting comes from the following quote from that post:Hello everyone. I write  this to you all not to offend

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Re: to blind new agers @DarkAn old conspirative piece of information can’t certainly have a such trusted reliability. In our religion we have our very precious book called Kur’ran which has a lot of information, even some of informations and processes like the birth of a child are believed

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Re: to blind new agers @Steve, I think you might have misunderstood my point in post 30. I dont think Violinist was personally attacking anyone in post 29, indeed with these sorts of matters being so potentially contentious I always do watch for that type of thing, though I am pleased

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Re: to blind new agers I probably shouldve clarified--my words werent based on your post entirely, I meant only to say I agree that people should make it clear who they are talking to, the rest was my genuin curiosity. It seemed to me that such a post as 29, which Ive read over three times

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Re: to blind new agers I probably shouldve clarified--my words werent based on your post entirely, I meant only to say I agree that people should make it clear who they are talking to, the rest was my genuin curiosity URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=215313#p215313

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Re: to blind new agers I believe Violinists remarks about hitler as god were in reference to what Blindncool says in the first post of the conflict between the pantheistic idea found in many religious traditions such as Hinduism and buhdism, that all humans are in some sense God or all

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Re: to blind new agers ah yes, the stereotypes. I fully agree with you on this point Dark, even though I am a Christian--although, given the fact that I once was an atheist who thought the idea of god was completely rediculus, I have some experience with the points outlined above. However

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Re: to blind new agers @Violinist, (and indeed anyone else in this topic), might I suggest you make it clear to whom your remarks are being addressed. I take it your above statements were directed at blindncool, however I am not certain and several other people hear have expressed

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Re: to blind new agers @Violinist, (and indeed anyone else in this topic), might I suggest you make it clear to whom your remarks are being addressed. I take it your above statements were directed at blindncool, however I am not certain and several other people hear have expressed

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Re: to blind new agers @Violinist, (and indeed anyone else in this topic), might I suggest you make it clear to whom your remarks are being addressed. I take it your above statements were directed at blindncool, however I am not certain and several other people hear have expressed

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Re: to blind new agers Hmm, Rather interesting. I believe dark is correct--I wonder who is trying to parent here--I havent seen anyone here trying to tell others how they should do stuff. *me thinks theres some interpretation issues... Anyways, were all writing in the same way here, even

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Re: to blind new agers Some thoughts here.Have you considered the possibility that Hitler was in fact God, that the evils perpetrated by him and his regime were an object lesson to a fallen humanity? For someone who appears to put as much reliance on Gods goodness, this shouldnt be a hard

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Re: to blind new agers Greetings severestormsteve1.3 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat

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Re: to blind new agers Hi Dark, again.I said this in my previous post, and Ill say it again. If the secret was known from all jews, from all Israelites, many of them would not agree with it. + they would even protest for engaging them in these kinds of activities.What Id like to say

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Re: to blind new agers It should also be known that the reason that Christ came down and sacrificed himself for our sins was for those curious people. God knew that humanity had a sinful nature, which is why he is such a merciful god. No one can be perfect, no one iss completely innocent

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Re: to blind new agers @Afrim, Im a little confused what you mean about biases against countries and racial hatred or what your point is regarding Kosovo, indeed the fact that such awful things were going on in Kosovo (a fact I remember myself sinse with the British army doing relief work

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Re: to blind new agers @Afrim, either this is a very complex game, or frankly its not a game at all and just lots of people with different ideas disagreeing. It strikes me a lot of these theories about the zionists, or the Iluminati, or the masons or whoever are trying to rule the world

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Re: to blind new agers @Ahmad, your exactly right. there really is no need to invent shadowy organizations who bennifit from the way the world is and try to influence governments, politics, new technology and the fate of entire countries just for their own bennifit.For example

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Re: to blind new agers Hi all. Ive watched a few documentaries talking about the Free masons.all I know is that their a group of people from different religions. However, Im not sure what their aiming for.Ive heard that their connected to the iluminati although, i highly doubt

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Re: to blind new agers Hello Blindncool and others,this is a deep topic. I have a few words on this matter. Some of it might seem like it but Im not trying to preech.1. Does truth contredict itself? as you said, the answer is no, no matter what anyone believes. While several points

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Re: to blind new agers @DarkThere’s another may be fake may be true fact which was kept hidden or was known only from some people.It is about the existence of aliens and UFOs which is said to be a way to engage terror on the earth so as the people may rely more on their governments.The

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Re: to blind new agers @Afrim you seem to have made a few assumptions about the holocaust which arent correct, and perhaps clearing up some of this will help with your confusion. Firstly, the figure of six million dead is counting everyone who was killed in Hitlers final solution

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Re: to blind new agers @Afrim you seem to have made a few assumptions about the holocaust which arent correct, and perhaps clearing up some of this will help with your confusion. Firstly, the figure of six million dead is counting everyone who was killed in Hitlers final solution

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Re: to blind new agers Hello,Disclaimer disclaimer disclaimer. Dont take this post as a bad viewpoint or any religious opposition, I will just like to state my opinions.Good and bad, and really ethics is a human creation. If im a chimpenzee, all I want to do is eat, procreate and sleep

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Re: to blind new agers I need to read a lot, both the positive sides and the negative ones, the theory that Iluminati, Fre masons and the protocol exist, and then I may come up with a much clearer answer. If well ever find one.Real jews differ from these groups which are called

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Re: to blind new agers Hello,Disclaimer disclaimer disclaimer. Dont take this post as a bad viewpoint or any religious opposition, I will just like to state my opinions.Good and bad, and really ethics is a human creation. If im a chimpenzee, all I want to do is eat, procreate and sleep

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Re: to blind new agers Well, I can’t deny the existence of Holocaust, but I think that the number of 6 million people who died in those camps isn’t such true and reliable.I think many jews had been persecuted, and consequently they were led to leave Germany and go in other places, since

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Re: to blind new agers @Afrim, I am glad you dont believe all Jews have these synister motivations, however the protocol does exist, as I said I went and read parts of it, it was published in russia in 1903, (go and check the wikipedia link I posted above, and follow some of the external

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Re: to blind new agers @Afrim, Im afraid this idea that the shoa (holocaust), did not happen, and that six million jews disappeared had some sort of weerd conspiracy I find not just implausable but rather offensive, given the amount of shear suffering involved.On a historical level

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Re: to blind new agers @Afrim, Im afraid this idea that the shoa (holocaust), did not happen, and that six million jews disappeared had some sort of weerd conspiracy I find not just implausable but rather offensive, given the amount of shear suffering involved.On a historical level

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Re: to blind new agers @Afrim, Im afraid this idea that the shoa (holocaust), did not happen, and that six million jews disappeared had some sort of weerd conspiracy I find not just implausable but rather offensive, given the amount of shear suffering involved.On a historical level

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Re: to blind new agers @Afrim, Im afraid this idea that the shoa (holocaust), did not happen, and that six million jews disappeared due to some sort of weerd conspiracy I find not just implausable but rather offensive, given the amount of shear suffering involved.On a historical level

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Re: to blind new agers In short, I agree with dark that to deny the holocaust happened when there is so much clear evidence in front of you is, in fact, somewhat offensive. but I understand that you were simply contributing to discussion Afrim, so no worries... I dont have a lengthy post

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Re: to blind new agers @Afrim, Im afraid this idea that the shoa (holocaust), did not happen, and that six million jews disappeared due to some sort of weerd conspiracy I find not just implausable but rather offensive, given the amount of shear suffering involved.On a historical level

Re: to blind new agers

Re: to blind new agers @Afrim, Im afraid this idea that the shoa (holocaust), did not happen, and that six million jews disappeared due to some sort of weerd conspiracy I find not just implausable but rather offensive, given the amount of shear suffering involved.On a historical level

Re: to blind new agers

Re: to blind new agers @Afrim, Im afraid this idea that the shoa (holocaust), did not happen, and that six million jews disappeared had some sort of weerd conspiracy I find not just implausable but rather offensive, given the amount of shear suffering involved.On a historical level

Re: to blind new agers

Re: to blind new agers @Afrim, Im afraid this idea that the shoa (holocaust), did not happen, and that six million jews disappeared had some sort of weerd conspiracy I find not just implausable but rather offensive, given the amount of shear suffering involved.On a historical level

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Re: to blind new agers @Afrim, Im afraid this idea that the shoa (holocaust), did not happen, and that six million jews disappeared had some sort of weerd conspiracy I find not just implausable but rather offensive, given the amount of shear suffering involved.On a historical level

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Re: to blind new agers @Blindncool, you certainly raise some interesting questions in your post, but I think it must be pointed out that you make some assumptions which may or may not be true.In your first question you ask, if we are all god why do people act so badly? My problem

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Re: to blind new agers Greetings blindncool.I could be wrong in what Im about to say but this is my understanding of the situation. You want to know why so many people believe in the thou art God theory but Christianity states that it is wrong. For the time being, lets look to the bible

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Re: to blind new agers For the record had I believed Afrims claime about the holocaust was deliberately made in an attempt to cause offense I wouldve issued a moderation warning, however the reason I didnt is because I agree with Assault freak, that it was a contribution to the discussion

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Re: to blind new agers Genesis 1.26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.27

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Re: to blind new agers Hi there.FYI, the protocol of Zion is a lie. it was written by the Russians back in 1903.regards.Ahmad. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=214961#p214961 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames

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Re: to blind new agers @Ryok thanks for that information on the protocol of Zion.I know Hitler began constructing camps for what were demed political disidents in 1936, to prvent what he saw as various conspiracies against the Nazi party, but I always assumed this was pretty much just

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Re: to blind new agers Hi,I am a Muslim and I believe in the God, rather than the religion itself. My opinion about religions is that they’re just the interpretation of the words of God.I courage you to believe in God, since it’s a good way to gain a spiritual quietness and kindness.The

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Re: to blind new agers About the document I cant say not having read it or heard of it before, though to be honest I am suspicious of such a tenuous explanation as Russians translated it because it was given by some random relation of the author of some secret plot bit, though I will go

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Re: to blind new agers About the document I cant say not having read it or heard of it before, though to be honest I am suspicious of such a tenuous explanation as Russians translated it because it was given by some random relation of the author of some secret plot bit, though I will go

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Re: to blind new agers About the document I cant say not having read it or heard of it before, though to be honest I am suspicious of such a tenuous explanation as Russians translated it because it was given by some random relation of the author of some secret plot bit, though I will go

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Re: to blind new agers I unfortunately dont recall in detail everything they said because I was younger at the time, but I also have listened to a couple holocaust survivors tell their stories, and I can say those two accounts alone are all the evidence I need.I follow no religion, though

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Re: to blind new agers I have never had a place for religion in my life, faith is a thing I have never been able to attain. And in my view interpretation of religious texts has created much of the conflicts which trouble us today. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=214991

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Re: to blind new agers Im sorry Ryok.The protocol of Zion was written from Russians in 1903, because the sister of the author had brought him that Secret document from a jewish person from France or Germany (dont remember exactly the state).There were paid and spent lots of dollars

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Re: to blind new agers Im sorry Ryok.The protocol of Zion was written from Russians in 1903, because the sister of the author had brought him that Secret document from a jewish person from France or Germany (dont remember exactly the state).There were paid and spent lots of dollars

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Re: to blind new agers About the document I cant say not having read it or heard of it before, though to be honest I am suspicious of such a tenuous explanation as Russians translated it because it was given by some random relation of the author of some secret plot bit, though I will go

to blind new agers

to blind new agers Hello everyone. I write this to you all not to offend anyone, but to provoke action and thought. I write this with kindness in my heart, because I am concerned regarding your eternal well being.I write this to those that are in the new age movement.Now, if I may, Id like