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Re: An Important Team Talk Issue haha URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/500058/#p500058 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: An Important Team Talk Issue Thanks glad you liked my post! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499974/#p499974 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: An Important Team Talk Issue @63, the gender selection in TT is pretty useless. From what I've seen it has no effect on anything. Nothing changes irrespective of what you select. I may be wrong, however. I really don't see why its there considering it does nothing at all from what I know. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499728/#p499728 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: An Important Team Talk Issue Still think @8 is the best post on this topic. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499700/#p499700 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: An Important Team Talk Issue wat just what why are you all getting so angry URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499641/#p499641 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: An Important Team Talk Issue Nah, it's cool. I think the language barrier is a little in the way there, and it's clear to me that while you may not understand things sometimes, you're not trying to be a jerk about it.We define respect a little differently, I suppose. When I say respect here, I don't mean the sort that means you look up to someone and think yourself less than they are. I mean the sort which kinda makes you go "wow, that was probably pretty rough, but good on you for toughing it out". Being openly non-CIS and non-hetero takes some bravery. After all, it's potentially possible to suppress this part of yourself for awhile, to bury it, to redirect it so people don't know. But it's impossible, say, to hide your blindness or the fact that you're in a wheelchair or whatnot.All this is to circle back around to a main point.The original post's satire was off the mark. I'm okay with satire sometimes but this stinks a little too much of the shrilly declamatory rhetoric of the right for me to find humour in it. I'm sure some people do, but I'm just not one of them.It also does raise a valid, if not earth-shattering point. A whole lot of things, right down from games to applications to government paperwork, is often not gender-inclusive, and it would be very easy to make it so. It's a little more difficult in a narrative-driven game, because the whole "them/they" thing is tricky to wedge into sentences properly sometimes (seriously, language needs to keep evolving on this point), but it could still be done. In a game like Manamon 2, where you're only asked male/female, it hardly matters because your gender is really not at all central to the story, and your character doesn't even have a voice, much less a gender-based personality; their dialogue is pretty much identical regardless of what you pick. But for some games, there's definitely some pigeon-holing going on. In the case of Teamtalk, though, I don't get it at all. Any of it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499575/#p499575 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: An Important Team Talk Issue I said i was done in here but, 1 more thing now that i have calmed a bit down.Yes. I know that trans people and gay people usually have to go through much shit.Therefor i feel sympathi for them, but not necessarily more respect.Instead I am focusing more on the people who treats gay and trans people like that. Nothing disgusts me more than that sort of behavior.I am not good with words, therefor I am often coming across as rude and disrespectful on forums and such.I was simply trying to make my point more clear and I am afraid i failed quite baddly at that.I am sorry if I have offended anyone.Have a nice day. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499569/#p499569 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: An Important Team Talk Issue I said i was done in here but, 1 more thing now that i have calmed a bit down.Yes. I know that trans people and gay people usually have to go through much shit.Therefor i feel sympathi for them, but not necessarelly more respect.Instead I am focussing more on the people who treats gay and trans people like that. Nothing disgusts me more than that sort of behavier.I am not good with words, therefor I am often coming across as rude and disrespectful on forums and such.I was simply trying to make my point more clear and I am afraid i failed quite baddly at that.Have a nice day. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499569/#p499569 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: An Important Team Talk Issue and once again, Jayde, you put what I was trying to say far more eloquently than I. Nicely done URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499562/#p499562 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: An Important Team Talk Issue Lol Jeff @#8. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499556/#p499556 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: An Important Team Talk Issue I don't think anyone's actually calling you a homophobe. I pointed out that you're only a homophobe if you called that gay dude an idiot because he was gay. If you did it for an unrelated reason - which you did - then it's a nonissue.There's a difference to be pointed out here.LGBT individuals are not deserving of more rights overall than everybody else. They're still people like you and me. However, they have indeed faced one hell of a lot of blowback from society over the years, and so living that life is arguably pretty damn difficult. As such, the respect they deserve is a more general kind. It doesn't mean they get to do whatever they want, have whatever they want, hurt whoever they want. It simply means they've often had it pretty tough, and I think it does us well to remember that. In similar ways, we blind folks have had it pretty tough too, although we're not usually beaten or attacked for our blindness, and we usually don't turn to substance abuse or self-harm to cope with the pain of it.The internet, and other sources, can indeed be full of misinformation. I hear that. This is why, if you're really interested in learning, you should vet your sources. Totally just making this shit up, but if you get your opinion on the LGBT community from gaysgo2hell.org, that's...kind of your problem. One would think that reading plenty of excerpts from multiple sources would be the best way to learn new things, if no one in that minority is willing and able to entertain your questions. So yes, there's misinformation all over, but that doesn't mean I'm beholden to you if you ask me a question you can answer elsewhere. To be honest, I'm usually pretty open about such things, but I also happen to be of a minority that isn't passive-aggressively attacked with questions most of the time. Because that's another thing. Some peoplewill ask, "How does being gay work?" or "how can you be neither male nor female?". And yeah, some people really and truly do want an answer, but others are just waiting for the LGBT person to stop talking so they can argue. They weren't interested in learning, or in a straight answer, because they'd had their mind made up from before they bothered engaging the person. They only asked the question so they could start a debate, and that shit gets old, real fast. I've watched it happen, even here on this forum. It's tiring even to watch, so to those of you who experience this on the daily, you have my sympathy. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499554/#p499554 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: An Important Team Talk Issue I don't think anyone's actually calling you a homophobe. I pointed out that you're only a homophobe if you called that gay dude an idiot because he was gay. If you did it for an unrelated reason - which you did - then it's a nonissue.There's a difference to be pointed out here.LGBT individuals are not deserving of more rights overall than everybody else. They're still people like you and me. However, they have indeed faced one hell of a lot of blowback from society over the years, and so living that life is arguably pretty damn difficult. As such, the respect they deserve is a more general kind. It doesn't mean they get to do whatever they want, have whatever they want, hurt whoever they want. It simply means they've often had it pretty tough, and I think it does us well to remember that. In similar ways, we blind folks have had it pretty tough too, although we're not usually beaten or attacked for our blindness, and we usually don't turn to substance abuse or self-harm to cope with the pain of it.The internet, and other sources, can indeed be full of misinformation. I hear that. This is why, if you're really interested in learning, you should vet your sources. Totally just making this shit up, but if you get your opinion on the LGBT community from gaysgo2hell.org, that's...kind of your problem. One would think that reading plenty of excerpts from multiple sources would be the best way to learn new things, if no one in that minority is willing and able to entertain your questions. So yes, there's misinformation all over, but that doesn't mean I'm beholden to you if you ask me a question you can answer elsewhere. To be honest, I'm usually pretty open about such things, but I also happen to be of a minority that isn't passive-aggressively attacked with questions most of the time. Because that's another thing. Some peoplewill ask, "How does being gay work?" or "how can you be neither male nor female?". And yeah, some people really and truly do want an answer, but others are just waiting for the LGBT person to stop talking so they can argue. I've watched it happen, even here on this forum. It's tiring even to watch, so to those of you who experience this on the daily, you have my sympathy. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499554/#p499554 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: An Important Team Talk Issue @57 surely. I mean I'll be in good company down there... lol URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499553/#p499553 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: An Important Team Talk Issue 55I simply disagree. Nothing more to say.I am leaving this descussion. It is making me pritty mad and i don't wish to insauld anyone. I am sorry if i have come across as being disrespectful and rude. That was not my opinion.I stand by what I said. Everyone deserves the same amount of respect, the same rights and so on and so on.To everyone who thinks I am a homofobe and what not. Piss off. Piss fucking off to hell. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499552/#p499552 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: An Important Team Talk Issue I agree with you, 55, and 53. I, however, also must agree with 49 as well. To expect people to always do research and to refuse to enlighten them, either at the time they ask or sometime later, is dangerous thinking. The internet is so fraught with misinformation and dangerous mindsets, especially regarding subjects like trans people and lgbtq, that it is trivial for someone to fall into a mindset that is generally destructive to the minority in question. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499550/#p499550 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2020-02-07
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Re: An Important Team Talk Issue @53, extremely well put. @54, honestly members of the LGBTQIA+ community deserve hella respect. The entire world tries to pretend they don't exist, or tries to make that happen by either legal, societal, or physical means. So IMO, those of minority oppressed identities, especially those of multiple, intersecting minorities (a black gay blind trans girl, just as an extreme example)) deserve respect for existing in a world that wished and tried to make sure they didn't. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499549/#p499549 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: An Important Team Talk Issue I called him an idiot because he kept running around shoving me into walls and stuf.For the last bloody time. I have nothing against gay people or trans people.But i hate that fucking bullshit they deserve more respect than other people mindset.No they fucking don't. They deserve exactly the same amount of respect as everyone else. nothing more, nothing less. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499548/#p499548 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: An Important Team Talk Issue If you called him an idiot -because he was gay, then you're a homophobe. Otherwise, you're just a person who called a gay guy an idiot.Right, so here's the thing.While nothing beats hands-on experience, nothing requires me to hand out that experience to you. It definitely is in my best interest not to absolutely go nuts if you commit a microaggression, particularly if it was an honest mistake and/or you didn't know better. My best bet then is to set you straight firmly but fairly. God knows it happens, to absolutely everyone, at least some of the time. Live and learn, and all that.But that doesn't mean that it is my -role to do this. It doesn't mean it's my responsibility to do it, either. Some of this stuff is just common fucking sense. And for the stuff that isn't, honest questions go a lot further than just throwing stuff out there and seeing what pisses people off.Example: if I had a guide dog and someone asked if they could pet my dog, I'm not going to explode on them. I'm likely going to say no, unless the dog is at rest and not really working hard, and even then I might say no. Now, if you get that "no" answer and push, I'm going to turn sharp in half a second flat, because you're challenging autonomy. I said no, and that's an end to it. However, I'm not mad at you for asking in the first place.But let's say instead of a guide dog, I've got a cane. I do, in fact. So you grab me by the shoulders and say "Stop, do you need help?" Sorry, but this is wrong. This isn't just ignorance. This is common sense in 2020. You don't just freaking grab people.And why am I saying this? Because it matters.Yes, sometimes, I will feel like enlightening you, explaining things, or even dealing with your occasional idiocy (general you here, obviously). But sometimes I just...won't. I had a bad day. I've dealt with seventy-three other microaggressions today already, thank you very much. I spilled my coffee. I have a migraine. I'm having trouble navigating home. My partner broke up with me. Any of these reasons, and hundreds of others, can complicate the mix.Put another way, folks, minorities aren't here simply to assuage the curiosity and guilt and enmity of those who are not minorities. We're people, too, and you know what? Sometimes we just don't feel like giving a simple, straight answer, especially if you can find that answer yourself.Are there people out there who arguably take things too seriously? Sure there are. They're all over.Is that happening here? Not...really. It's definitely not what I'm doing. I flagged the attempted satire as bad taste, but I didn't explode over it. I was sort of head-shaking disgusted with it, not outraged. There are far bigger things to worry about.My advice: you should avoid telling people when and how and why they should be angry. If you are not of the same group that you're attempting to govern, this is generally known as tone policing, and it's a really excellent way to get yourself blackballed. People have been telling individuals in minorities not to be so angry or outraged for decades, centuries really. It's tiresome. Quit it. If you think someone's getting too angry - like, legitimately too angry, and they're causing actual harm - then fine, step in and try to soothe things down, maybe ask the person what's gotten them so upset, etc. But if you wade in with "don't be mad" or "you stupid SJWs blowing shit up" or whatever, we're just going to wave you away like all the rest. If you want to be heard, approach with at least a modicum of respect, at least until such time that the person you're approaching does something directly to you which removes that respect. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499547/#p499547 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: An Important Team Talk Issue https://youtu.be/nZyQ1JRPAWEThere you go. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499546/#p499546 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: An Important Team Talk Issue
2020-02-07
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Re: An Important Team Talk Issue because quite honestly, @50, I'd like to see proof of people who think they are in a relationship with a train station. Furthermore, conflating that kind of view with the perfectly rational view that someone is nonbinary, agender, genderqueer, bigender, genderfluid, or any other gender identity and subsequent pronoun set is kind of insulting URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499545/#p499545 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: An Important Team Talk Issue @46Fair enough. Trans people. You didn't answer my question though.Do you considder me as being against trans people, and if so, why? Because I am not agreeing with something who happense to be a trans woman says?Reminds me of when i was called a homofobe for calling a gay guy an idiot. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499543/#p499543 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: An Important Team Talk Issue Just quickly popping in here to say, a lot of people will use their school taught knowledge on deciding what's credible, and that's not always best. There are a bunch of "experts" out there that will tell you how to behave around a certain culture/ethnicity/demographic, when, in truth, that just makes you look dumb. Do you know how many articles there are out there that are how you *should* treat blind people, but they're way, way, way off base? So yeah, research is all well and good, but, and this is a rare one for me, I'm with Ivan on this. Research does not always equal good in certain scenarios, this one included. People who live the life every day are gonna know a hell of a lot more than some expert out there.Have a good day, and Excelsior. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499541/#p499541 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: An Important Team Talk Issue
2020-02-07
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Re: An Important Team Talk Issue @47 aye, but asking people all the questions ever puts an unnecesary burden on them doesn't it? Blind people are a little (a little!) bit easier off in this situation. Does a man from 1735 know of a blind person? probably. Does that same man living in 1735 know of a trans lesbian like myself? Probaably not. It's proportional; the more of a minority you are (statistically or based on an analysis of sociological/societal appression) the more asking questions from those not subject to that appression is a burden. You have google; google is good. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499540/#p499540 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: An Important Team Talk Issue Why should everyone in the public have to do research about a minority?Should I go to the shopping center and if someone stops be to i.e. correct my direction I'm facing or offer help when I don't really need it because I'm blind, yell at them because they *didn't do their research**?If so, no. Hate to birst your bubble, but no. Reserach is research, but I would rather ask a live person who has truly experienced anything rather than the internet, specially if I'm going to be interacting with said person, as everyone is different. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499539/#p499539 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2020-02-07
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Re: An Important Team Talk Issue @45 I... I'm sorry what? people to consider themselves to be in a relationship with a train station... identify as a ... you know what? I'm not even going to *try* to unpack whatever the hell I just heard. Also just a quick thingy, it's trans people (trans man / trans woman / trans person) not transgenders. Just a termonollogy thing to avoid offending people like. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499538/#p499538 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: An Important Team Talk Issue @40I was bringing such a silly example up to try to make my point more clear. I have seen people who thought they were in a relationship with a trainstation so identifying yourself as an old rusty car doesn't seem very unlikely.Also. I really hope you don't considder me as being against trans genders, if so, i suggest you to go read my post again and a bit more carefully this time. Thank you very much. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499537/#p499537 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: An Important Team Talk Issue ok @42, that seemed... oddly confrontational. Most minorities (PoC, members of the LGBTQIA+ community) don't actually *have* to educate those who are not of those groups, though they often do. It is not their role. It is not what they should do; others are capable of doing research URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499536/#p499536 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: An Important Team Talk Issue like, I'm not, personally, explode-the-world angry. I'm just like... really? this is what people spend their time doing; attacking those who legitimately want more options? Ehh. Transphobes will transphobe, binarists will binarist (binarist, I.E., someone who believes there are only two gender options), and those who care will care. Not sure why so many people are pissed at you either Jayde, you seem like a fair admin. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499532/#p499532 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: An Important Team Talk Issue I'm sorry but this is a very unpopular opinion but I do stick to it and that's that.Let me start by clarifying that I have no problem with any minority out there, but a big issue with these said minorities is that they take every little thing that the general public says or does and just screams and makes a massive deal about it. I get that now we as a society are more understanding to other people and that's fucking great! But take the LGBTQ community or the blind community even for example, anything, any little thing sets them off and they go absolutely nuts. Look, I get it, as a person in a minority it's easy to get angry because of all the shit you deal with on a daily, but remember here that the keyword I've been using through out the entire post is "minority". That's right, you're roll should be to educate the public, not sit here and scream. If you want us to be more accepting of you, you should try to be more accepting of the world you live in as well.I take my blindness for example and I turn it into something funny, not something I use to get angry about it. If someone makes a joke about my blindness, I throw it back at them and surprise them. You would be surprised of how many people you could show that you're not any old blind fuck out there who will get all up and arms about jokes like that. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499530/#p499530 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: An Important Team Talk Issue That low-level general antagonism is, in part, why I said what I did. I think the OP knows this and is sort of playing into it.Done on its own, with no context and no intent save satire, it is a little prickly but largely harmless. Getting really incensed about it is probably just overkill. Being a little annoyed by it might be reasonable, since people get enough of this legitimately from people trying to tone-police or mock that it's a bit tiresome. But this didn't happen in a bubble, so my response wasn't in a bubble either. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499529/#p499529 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: An Important Team Talk Issue @37, I'll agree with you. There was a fanfic, in fact, that was framed in a similar way; written as if from a concerned social activist (I try not to use the term SJW, it has too many angry conservative reworkings to be relevant at the moment) that parodied the current issues of representation and depiction of non-cis, non-white, non-streight, non-men in media. However it did this by, as OP did, turning the dial to 11 so to speak and coming off as whiney, which doesn't help when many people see the social activist community as a bunch of whineys anyway. @39, nobody to my knowledge identifies as, or intends to identify as, an "old rusty car". That's a common tactic, called reductio ad absurdum; you're attempting to make the issue look ridiculous to prove a point. Pro tip, it doesn't work, and denegrates all those who fight for equality. I'm not a mod, but I have noticed an interesting issue of a general, low-level anti-trans message building on this forum ever since Haily posted that she was on here. What's up with that? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499528/#p499528 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: An Important Team Talk Issue
Re: An Important Team Talk Issue Whatever Jaid. I am just glad I can take a joke. And if I am evil, a dick and heartless for not being able to take people who complains about not being able to identify them selfs as an old rusty car or whatever comes up next seriously, then so be it.And before someone starts, no, I have nothing against trans genders, gay people or anything. What I am sick of is people complaining for the sake of complaining. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499525/#p499525 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: An Important Team Talk Issue That's the beauty when it comes to satire, it is an equal opportunist. No matter who you are, what you are, what you believe in or whatever... someone somewhere in the world is having a laugh at your expense right now.Are you straight? gay? bisexual? male? female? trans? it doesn't matter, we're all equal under the umbrella of satire. Steaming in to personally attack the teller of a joke that you don't like yourself doesn't make you look stunning or brave, it just makes you look like you can't take a joke.Remember that someone cracking wise at your expense is a sign of acceptance, you're literally normal in the eyes of everyone and they won't bat an eyelid at cracking a joke about you or something you like etc. This is why I'm never offended by any blind jokes and am also heartened when someone can come away with something like that in front of me with out feeling the need to go out of their way to spare my delicate feels. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499522/#p499522 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: An Important Team Talk Issue
Re: An Important Team Talk Issue That's the beauty when it comes to satire, it's an equal opportunist. No matter who you are, what you are, what you believe in or whatever... someone somewhere in the world is having a laugh at your expense right now.Are you straight? gay? bisexual? male? female? trans? it doesn't matter, we're all equal under the umbrella of satire. Steaming in to personally attack the teller of a joke that you don't like yourself doesn't make you look stunning or brave, it just makes you look like you can't take a joke.Remember that someone cracking wise at your expense is a sign of acceptance, you're literally normal in the eyes of everyone and they won't bat an eyelid at cracking a joke about you or something you like etc. This is why I'm never offended by any blind jokes and am also heartened when someone can come away with something like that in front of me with out feeling the need to go out of their way to spare my delicate feels. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499522/#p499522 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: An Important Team Talk Issue Yes, a lot of those might well be in bad taste.What's especially in bad taste is the way this was framed. It seems to be taking a knock at the SJ types who actually find legit issues and try to deal with them, and that's not cool. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499515/#p499515 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: An Important Team Talk Issue 4. I feel like this joke was definitely meant to be satire, and it was a good try, but I also feel it was in bad taste. Not necessarily bad faith, but bad taste. The issue here is that there are legitimate access issues and such that the LGBTQ community, among others, actually faces, situations where if your gender is important to you, you're constrained by your given choices. Things like that. In other words, it's sort of a real issue. Now, is it going to end the world? No, probably not. But every one of you saying "don't be mad at this" is guilty of some form of tone policing. If you aren't part of the target group, then you cannot know how it feels to be shut out. I'm not sure how much harm the OP intended, but for me this was just too close to RL issues to actually be funny. Call me a stick in the mud, I don't much care.Yeah? But if i had to bitch and whine everytime I saw something that i didn't like i would walk around being pissed all day.Yes, people do find different stuf funny, but still.Should I start sniffeling everytime I saw a joke about blind people? Because following your logic that would be in bad taste as well.In fact, a lot of jokes would be in bad taste following your logic. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499508/#p499508 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: An Important Team Talk Issue if it's not a joke, who gives a flying fuck. I've no idea what the selection is there for. it doesn't show your gender to other users anyway. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499496/#p499496 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: An Important Team Talk Issue Re: 31. 3. Its a game that Makes light, I said. Bust your own askew understanding. :dAt 27: where can the distinction be drawn when such ambiguous logic is employed? Your game scenario featured 2 groups: cis and trans. It was only wrong if a cis made the game and it seemed to stab at the trans group. In such a game though, your end goal, i assume given the war, would be elimination or assimilation of one of the groups. For fun.Games by nature make fun out of things. Hints why that dude who created a game whose mc was a school shooter wasn’t a smashing hit. Why wouldm’t it be wrong if the trans targeted the cis? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499489/#p499489 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: An Important Team Talk Issue There is not. I never really understood the gender option anyway, it doesn't seem to do anything. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499452/#p499452 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: An Important Team Talk Issue
2020-02-07
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Here-Be-Saoirse via Audiogames-reflector
Re: An Important Team Talk Issue afaik @31, there's no 'none' option. male, female, and that's it. I am using TeamTalk classic, though, so there may be more options in the QT-based version URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499451/#p499451 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: An Important Team Talk Issue Okay, so I'm not dropping any punishments in here, but I'm going to keep an eye on this. For the love of crumbcake, don't make this topic explode too.My takeaways from this:1. Not everyone finds the same stuff funny, which is fine.2. Tone policing is bad. Don't do it. Telling Haily that she's angry or intolerant? Well uh, given a few people who have bothered her here, as well as the blowback she gets IRL, can you blame her? No, I'm not saying she's immune to criticism and can say what she wants (Haily, please take note of this, because you can go too far sometimes) but you don't get to dismiss someone just because they're angry. I see evidence of anger, BTW, but not intolerance.3. Making Bloodbath does not endorse war. That's patently ridiculous. There' no real strategy, no semblance to war at all. Just people running around with unrealistic amounts of weapons, health and items, shooting each other on a map. There aren't any vehicles, last I checked. So nah, that's just a busted argument.4. I feel like this joke was definitely meant to be satire, and it was a good try, but I also feel it was in bad taste. Not necessarily bad faith, but bad taste. The issue here is that there are legitimate access issues and such that the LGBTQ community, among others, actually faces, situations where if your gender is important to you, you're constrained by your given choices. Things like that. In other words, it's sort of a real issue. Now, is it going to end the world? No, probably not. But every one of you saying "don't be mad at this" is guilty of some form of tone policing. If you aren't part of the target group, then you cannot know how it feels to be shut out. I'm not sure how much harm the OP intended, but for me this was just too close to RL issues to actually be funny. Call me a stick in the mud, I don't much care.5. I haven't used TT in awhile, but if the gender choices are male/female/none, then that could be improved without much of any real effort, and really ought to be. Again, is it the end of the world? No, not necessarily. But that doesn't mean it doesn't matter at all. If someone made a less obviously satirical request for gender options to be more inclusive, I think that would be a good thing. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499442/#p499442 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: An Important Team Talk Issue
2020-02-07
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Re: An Important Team Talk Issue ok I do have to ask: is this entire thread intended to be a parody of people who campaigne for social justice? Yes, like OP, I believe that TeamTalk should have more than one gender option, but I don't believe yelling about it and insulting people is at all the way to go about it. Ass for it defaulting to male, that's a consequence of windows's instantiation of radio buttons; the first one is auto-highlighted. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499440/#p499440 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: An Important Team Talk Issue
Re: An Important Team Talk Issue The Dwarfer wrote:@19:You're not making your case as not part of that minority by blazing in here and shouting fuck you.Okay, am I the only one picturing Hailey literally running in with a fire trail like some angry Sonic knockoff? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499436/#p499436 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: An Important Team Talk Issue Lol, why does anyone care if some random person thinks it's funny? Unless it's someone you associate with, and you think that defines whether or not they're a good person, why does it matter if people laugh at this? I personally thought it was hilarious because it was very obviously a joke and I think it's important to not take things too seriously all the time. This was not a personal attack on any forum member so there's no reason you can't just move on with your day if you didn't think it was funny. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499433/#p499433 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: An Important Team Talk Issue Steve, very different situation. It would be a very different issue if I made a topic ranting about how war isn't okay and should never have to happen, all of which is true, but then tried to pass it off as some kind of joke. That's more or less what OP is doing here. I personally couldn't care less about the TT gender thing because really, who looks at those anyway, it's more the kind of thing lucas is making light of. Making a game about war isn't making light of the reason it exists or the people who die and suffer through it, the same way me making a game about transgender people in the war against cisgendered people or something stupid like that could probably be viewed as quite harmless by most because it would A, be made by a trans person, and B, have obvious signs of being intended as a harmless joke, but if someone cisgendered did the same thing and it was obviously meant as a kind of satirical jab at non binary / trans people, that's where I start to have a problem. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499425/#p499425 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: An Important Team Talk Issue @19:You're not making your case as not part of that minority by blazing in here and shouting fuck you. You should though, probably have yourself banned from this forum for making blood bath, a game based on war / mass-killing. People have gone through that sometimes 70 years ago and still reap the psychological traumas associated with it, yet you've made light of it by making a game about it. No? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499385/#p499385 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: An Important Team Talk Issue If this is a joke, regardless of the original intent, it certainly comes off as quite insensitive to people who are transgender. If it's not a joke, you should seriously consider removing the snark towards the developer of TeamTalk before you spread this any further. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499374/#p499374 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: An Important Team Talk Issue
2020-02-07
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Re: An Important Team Talk Issue I think this is a joke to be honest URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499373/#p499373 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: An Important Team Talk Issue moderation!Nocturnus, you are going to be scrambled using the truth telling machine, then put through recycling process for telling the true ending of this topic end of the wierdness URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499369/#p499369 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: An Important Team Talk Issue moderation!Nocturnus, you are going to be recycled using the truth telling machine, then put through recycling process for telling the true ending of this topic end of the wierdness URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499369/#p499369 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: An Important Team Talk Issue
Re: An Important Team Talk Issue That's how it always seems to go, yeah. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499368/#p499368 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: An Important Team Talk Issue Likely senario: This is gonna get really ugly, really fast, and the mods will put a stamp on it, and then the mods will be accused of, yup, you guessed it, limiting free speech. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499367/#p499367 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: An Important Team Talk Issue Bashing? Or perhaps a bit of harmless fun. I can laugh of a very racist joke. Does that make me a racist? I can laugh of a joke about gay people. Does that make me a homofobe? Should the OP be able to post a joke, I believe it is a joke, like this with out people asuming he is meaning to bash trans genders and what not? Yes, i think so. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499360/#p499360 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: An Important Team Talk Issue Really, you have shown yourself to be in tolerant of other viewpoints so no matter what you think of me, know that there are those of us who believe you are exactly what you’re preaching against first of all, the only part I have issue with is the tea. Many of my family members and friends are either lesbian gay or bi. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499359/#p499359 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: An Important Team Talk Issue Of course someone would make the snowflake comment. Those who know me also know I’m generally not offended easily, but I’m honestly struggling to see any funny side to this. I appreciate this was most likely intended as satire, but at least consider the underlying message of what you’re posting. You do realise you’re bashing an entire group based off of the actions of a sometimes loud minority, right? Good job bro.Oh and Jimmy? You’ve already proven yourself to be an LGBTQ+ intolerant asshole in multiple areas, so please kindly STFU. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499358/#p499358 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: An Important Team Talk Issue You Can’t say anything anymore without snowflakes getting offended URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499350/#p499350 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: An Important Team Talk Issue Yep I agree, Soon we won't be able to joke about stuf anymore because we have to be careful as not to hurt somebody. Quit being so overly sensitive. Might sound harsh but jesus. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499343/#p499343 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: An Important Team Talk Issue meh you dont need to overreact URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499341/#p499341 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: An Important Team Talk Issue Honestly, if this is actually a joke the message behind is truly disgusting. Fuckyou. There are people out there who do have these issues you seem to get a massive kick out of making fun of. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499337/#p499337 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: An Important Team Talk Issue hahaha th URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499326/#p499326 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: An Important Team Talk Issue @12Go away. It is obviously triangular. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499315/#p499315 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: An Important Team Talk Issue What really grinds my gears is when people use the phrase "around the world." I'm offended that they assume the world is round, when I, personally, believe that it's flat. Therefore it must be flat, and assuming it is round rejects my fantasy world from your reality. That is a lack of inclusion. It offends me.I know it's not scientific, and I know I rebuked someone yesterday for telling me that God created my flat Earth 6000 years ago on the basis of science, but the Earth is flat. I said so.So before you refer to the world as a globe, or even accidentally use the phrase "around the world" or anything similar, think first: it's not okay to assume.#Inclusion! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499313/#p499313 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: An Important Team Talk Issue we need the gender clingon on tt URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499305/#p499305 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: An Important Team Talk Issue
Re: An Important Team Talk Issue Hahaha! I'm in. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499284/#p499284 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: An Important Team Talk Issue All those things are pretty sad Jeffb, but I think the sadest fact of all is about that monkey bread. I mean, it's heartbreaking that a bread is named after them, and those companies that make the bread can't even pay those monkeys the respect of having a banana flavor. We need to start a protest for the abuse of these poor monkeys, especially when all they ever wanted was banana flavored monkey bread. Who would like to join me for the protest? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499283/#p499283 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: An Important Team Talk Issue I can think of 10 more important issues.1. There is no banana flavored monkey bread only cinnamon.2. Music is my aero plane but my favorite book can't be my helee copter.3. There's Braille on elevators but not on escalators.4. Cars have 2 or more cupholders but my cane doesn't even have 1.5. They make chocolate covered peanuts but not peanut covered chocolate.6. You can row a boat down a stream but life is but a nightmare.7. They have door bells but not window knockers.8. You can have your cake and eat it to but you can't have a pie and throw it in your professors face.9. You can ship things in bubble wrap and tape paper on gifts but you still can't use bubble tape to wrap up yummy presents.10. You can call a door a jar but you can't call a dresser a giant bread box. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499282/#p499282 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: An Important Team Talk Issue
Re: An Important Team Talk Issue If it is a joke, it's ambiguous enough to be disturbing, both in its intensity and delivery. I honestly hope no one actually posted that as a bug report, or gets the idea to do so.Edit:Yeah, the KKK comment is pretty telling, but many people these days actually would take such a thing seriously and rally behind it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499278/#p499278 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: An Important Team Talk Issue If it is a joke, it's ambiguous enough to be disturbing, both in its intensity and delivery. I honestly hope no one actually posted that as a bug report, or gets the idea to do so. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499278/#p499278 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: An Important Team Talk Issue
Re: An Important Team Talk Issue Lucas1853 wrote:I haven’t seen only two gender options on a form since I tried to register for the KKK.Sorry, what was that you said about it not being a joke? I mean, that statement he made was so absurd that you couldn't possibly take it seriously. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499277/#p499277 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: An Important Team Talk Issue
Re: An Important Team Talk Issue Lucas1853 wrote:I haven’t seen only two gender options on a form since I tried to register for the KKK.Sorry, what was that you said about it not being a joke. I mean, that statement he made was so absurd that you couldn't possibly take it seriously. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499277/#p499277 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: An Important Team Talk Issue if it is a joke gheg sorry but i don't think so URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499274/#p499274 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: An Important Team Talk Issue
Re: An Important Team Talk Issue and haven't you more important issues then that as an example people are dying because of hunger and you are complaining about the lag of gender issues on teamtalk URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499273/#p499273 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: An Important Team Talk Issue
Re: An Important Team Talk Issue I think it's a joke. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499272/#p499272 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: An Important Team Talk Issue
Re: An Important Team Talk Issue i don't get your point bicause it is just the first item in the list male will be used but i see no problem in dis or are you just to lacy to press the down arrow ones and you can select no gender so not getting your point URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499268/#p499268 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
An Important Team Talk Issue
An Important Team Talk Issue Hello all,I come to this forum today with a very important message. I aim to post this to the GitHub issue tracker for Team Talk, but first I’d like to post it here in order to get feedback. I think I can speak for anyone with a non-standard gender identity or sexuality (I don’t have one myself but I am a highly empathetic, understanding and compassionate person) when I say that the gender selection system in Team Talk is disgusting in implementation. Please do not discriminate and skip this issue, I know you are going to (likely being a straight white male and thus not understanding the importance of this).The first problem I have is that Team Talk assumes by default that you are a male. This is, of course, typical of the toxic culture on the internet. I’ve come to expect this from humans, and it is true that this program was written by a (not particularly intelligent) human, but is this how we want to teach artificial intelligences? In the future, AIs might look at the code for this application to learn programming, and it disgusts me that this extremely insensitive assumption will be taken as the norm by them. This obviously needs to be changed. The server should politely query the gender of the client, and the client should respond back with the preferred gender. If the client does not choose to respond, no assumptions should be made. Perhaps the user behind the client is still discovering themselves, and that’s okay. Again, you would not understand anything about this.The second issue I have is with the range of gender choices, or should I say lack thereof. I haven’t seen only two gender options on a form since I tried to register for the KKK. When I saw that, I had a mental epiphany that caused my views to shift completely. So, while only having two gender options on a form can make that kind of difference, that is not as important as making everyone feel accepted (again something you would not understand). I would not presume to know all the genders that exist, like you have done, so all you can really do is code a system that fetches the list from your website so that you can dynamically update it for all of the new and important genders that you don’t know about or understand. I honestly find it disgusting that a system like this was programmed for the public servers, but not the genders. This obviously proves that, like most of your kind, you are selfish for not putting in the minimal extra time it would take to write this code.I definitely have more issues, but dwelling on this is making me upset, both because of the injustice committed against my fellow human beings and because you obviously don’t understand any of this and so will completely ignore this issue like a typical person of privilege. I will have to finish this later, I think I need to talk to my therapist. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499263/#p499263 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
An Important Team Talk Issue
An Important Team Talk Issue Hello all,I come to this forum today with a very important message. I aim to post this to the GitHub issue tracker for Team Talk, but first I’d like to post it here in order to get feedback. I think I can speak for anyone with a non-standard gender identity or sexuality (I don’t have one myself but I am a highly empathetic, understanding and passionate person) when I say that the gender selection system in Team Talk is disgusting in implementation. Please do not discriminate and skip this issue, I know you are going to (likely being a straight white male and thus not understanding the importance of this).The first problem I have is that Team Talk assumes by default that you are a male. This is, of course, typical of the toxic culture on the internet. I’ve come to expect this from humans, and it is true that this program was written by a (not particularly intelligent) human, but is this how we want to teach artificial intelligences? In the future, AIs might look at the code for this application to learn programming, and it disgusts me that this extremely insensitive assumption will be taken as the norm by them. This obviously needs to be changed. The server should politely query the gender of the client, and the client should respond back with the preferred gender. If the client does not choose to respond, no assumptions should be made. Perhaps the user behind the client is still discovering themselves, and that’s okay. Again, you would not understand anything about this.The second issue I have is with the range of gender choices, or should I say lack thereof. I haven’t seen only two gender options on a form since I tried to register for the KKK. When I saw that, I had a mental epiphany that caused my views to shift completely. So, while only having two gender options on a form can make that kind of difference, that is not as important as making everyone feel accepted (again something you would not understand). I would not presume to know all the genders that exist, like you have done, so all you can really do is code a system that fetches the list from your website so that you can dynamically update it for all of the new and important genders that you don’t know about or understand. I honestly find it disgusting that a system like this was programmed for the public servers, but not the genders. This obviously proves that, like most of your kind, you are selfish for not putting in the minimal extra time it would take to write this code.I definitely have more issues, but dwelling on this is making me upset, both because of the injustice committed against my fellow human beings and because you obviously don’t understand any of this and so will completely ignore this issue like a typical person of privilege. I will have to finish this later, I think I need to talk to my therapist. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/499263/#p499263 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
