Re: Halo - another big step towards accessibility
2019-12-21
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Sightless Kombat via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Halo - another big step towards accessibility @25 and to anyone else who wants to try this out if they own the game on PCYou can indeed use NVDA on PC with MCC. However, due to a bug in the current version of the game, you have to restart NVDA once the game is fully loaded in. If successful, the menus should read as intended. Had to figure this out myself when I got a PC copy recently. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/487246/#p487246 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Halo - another big step towards accessibility
2019-12-21
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : ianhamilton_ via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Halo - another big step towards accessibility The narration just had an update! I'm not sure what has changed exactly but it is mentioned in their changelog -https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/news … ember-2019 URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/487242/#p487242 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Halo - another big step towards accessibility
2019-12-21
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : magurp244 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Halo - another big step towards accessibility Depends, there are a few approaches people could take. The first would be something like overwatch, high detail spacial audio for actions, footsteps, unique audio for each creature, collision sounds, etc. Terrain navigation is a bit trickier, some use guides or landmarks, audio beacons as reference points, etc. Another approach could be depthmap sonifiers for snapshots of surrounding terrain. Map navigation or radar is something else that could use some tweaking, but because its easier to get overwhelmed by too many sounds playing, it would also make sense to gate these features into distinct quick access modes, like a radar ping, map mode, sonifier pulse, etc. over top of more immersive environmental audio like actions, footsteps, or maybe the sounds of creatures stepping on grass or brushing up against plants. Hm, the sound system of Theif; The Dark Project comes to mind, like walkingon metal or marble surfaces, acoustic absorption of different wall textures and surfaces, etc. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/487228/#p487228 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Halo - another big step towards accessibility
2019-12-20
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : cambridgeport90 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Halo - another big step towards accessibility This might seem like an odd question in here, but how would making the game accessible even work? Considering you have stuff coming from all directions, including behind you? I was just discussing this very issue earlier, so looking for a little input while on the subject. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/487200/#p487200 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Halo - another big step towards accessibility
2019-12-07
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : arturminyazev via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Halo - another big step towards accessibility helloi don't know but my nvda don't reads anything. only ms narrator can read menus.what can i do? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/483488/#p483488 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Halo - another big step towards accessibility
2019-12-07
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : ianhamilton_ via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Halo - another big step towards accessibility @mitch sadly I'm able to talk freely about interactions with Nintendo, which have been minimal URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/483467/#p483467 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Halo - another big step towards accessibility
2019-12-07
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : ianhamilton_ via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Halo - another big step towards accessibility @22 no, I'm curious why you would want to read subtitles though? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/483466/#p483466 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Halo - another big step towards accessibility
2019-12-06
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : arturminyazev via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Halo - another big step towards accessibility can i read subtitles by using narration? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/483443/#p483443 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Halo - another big step towards accessibility
Re: Halo - another big step towards accessibility You should be able to use NVDA, as it outputs to the screenreader. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/483429/#p483429 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Halo - another big step towards accessibility
2019-12-06
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : arturminyazev via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Halo - another big step towards accessibility hellocan i use my screenreader to play this game or we only must use microsoft narrator? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/483428/#p483428 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Halo - another big step towards accessibility
Re: Halo - another big step towards accessibility I'm just curious Ian: have you been able to work with Nintendo on improving accessibility on the Switch console or in their mobile apps? I hope you say that you can't say, because that may mean that there's progress. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/483269/#p483269 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Halo - another big step towards accessibility
2019-12-06
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : arturminyazev via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Halo - another big step towards accessibility hello@17: i can't a bit understand what are you mean, can you fully explane what this narration can do and how to work with it? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/483252/#p483252 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Halo - another big step towards accessibility
2019-12-06
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : ianhamilton_ via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Halo - another big step towards accessibility @15 they're just coming out of crunch at the moment, probably not a good time! I'd wait until Unity release their in-engine screenreader functionality, at that point it'll be relatively easy for FM to do. @16 it isn't an accessibility mod, it's part of the game. A good chunk of the menus are accessible using screenreaders, as if you were browsing a website. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/483243/#p483243 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Halo - another big step towards accessibility
2019-12-06
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : arturminyazev via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Halo - another big step towards accessibility hellocan we use this accessability mod now or this is in development? and if yes, how to enable it on pc? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/483223/#p483223 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Halo - another big step towards accessibility
2019-12-06
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : hadi . gsf via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Halo - another big step towards accessibility @ian, do you know any proper channel to contact football manager devs? I really want to play that game too! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/483124/#p483124 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Halo - another big step towards accessibility
2019-12-05
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Sightless Kombat via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Halo - another big step towards accessibility Very glad to see the positivity surrounding this new breakthrough in menu narration, even if it does appear as if accessible menus is all that's being done for the majority of titles.This is, to my knowledge at least, the first game to allow for not only console and PC narration (Gears 5, Crackdown 3, Sea Of Thieves and Forza Horizon 4 to name but a few have already achieved this), but also the first console game to also have menu narration via screen readers available on PC.As for how I completed all of the main-line Halo games (Halo 5, CE: Anniversary, 2: Anniversary, ODST, 3, 4 and Reach in that order), it's all been via co-op with sighted players who were willing to assist, usually just me and one other player. I also use a 5.1 surround sound system (Logitech Z906 for those who are interested), though I did play some levels with a headset as well.With Gears 5 and MCC doing so much for accessibility in their respective series, I can only hope that Halo: Infinite takes the lessons from both and combines them to create an even more immersive and accessible experience. If I can use sniper rifles and other long-range guns etc in a PVE mode in Infinite and do well with them instead of just shooting and hoping for instance, I'll be very pleased. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/482862/#p482862 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Halo - another big step towards accessibility
Re: Halo - another big step towards accessibility I've played Halo in MP and CoOp mode before -- its quite fun! For that, you don't need much accessibility other than in the pause menu and such. I'm happy Halo MCC is available for PC now. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/482838/#p482838 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Halo - another big step towards accessibility
Re: Halo - another big step towards accessibility Hi.Hmm, that sounds interesting, what about the single player mode? Ian said that sightless kombat also completed these, do you have any experiences with that?Greetings Moritz. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/482814/#p482814 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Halo - another big step towards accessibility
2019-12-05
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : sirpdex via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Halo - another big step towards accessibility Playtoenjoy Titans Halo 5 (multiplayer set up guide) Load the game and wait till you can hear the classic halo music start, then press the Start button & you will hear a audio Q to confirm you have pressed it. Next wait 10 seconds and press the B, button. You will hear another audio queue to confirm you have pressed the buttom. Now you are on the main menu. Push down once to put yourself on multiplayer, then push right three times to put yourself on the custom games & press the A, button.Next push down and then right once to enable private lobby. Now go down twice to place yourself on game mode and press the A, button, next go down three times to place yourself on bookmarks and press the A, button.Next select the companion game mode to go with your map and then press the A, button, now press down once & press A, button to confirm your chosen game mode. Next push up once to place your self on Maps, now push A. The go down four times and press the A, button. Now you can pick your map of choice then press the A, button & then push down once and press the A, button to confirm your map of choice. Now go up three times and this will place you on the start match option. ( Before pressing the A, button to start the game, make sure you invite your friends to join the lobby first. They can tell they are in the lobby when they cannot move left or right, but can move up & down) You will need sightless combats Medusa map, which is a custom map design for blind gammers. If you’re interested in playing some Halo on Xbox hit me up URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/482810/#p482810 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Halo - another big step towards accessibility
2019-12-05
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : ianhamilton_ via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Halo - another big step towards accessibility @9 This is actually something quite different! Everything else so far has had either internal self voicing or sending text strings directly to narrator, this is exposing its UI to screenreaders. So you can use NVDA to navigate the menus. As far as I'm aware that hasn't ever been done in a AAA game before. There are games where this would be enough to make it fully accessible, like hearthstone or football manager.@8 @9 have a chat with sightlesskombat, I believe he has completed all of the halo games URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/482794/#p482794 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Halo - another big step towards accessibility
2019-12-05
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : ianhamilton_ via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Halo - another big step towards accessibility @8 @9 have a chat with sightlesskombat, I believe he has completed all of the halo games URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/482794/#p482794 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Halo - another big step towards accessibility
Re: Halo - another big step towards accessibility Hi.Thanks for sharing this.As others have said I due agree that this is a big step forwards in accessibility, but this is not the first game having accessible menus, and slowly but surely this is getting stale if the only new thing we receive are accessible menus.Not to say that this is a bad step forwards, it's very good, but something more would be nice.Ian, you said in your third post or so that there are blind players who already play Halo. are there any assists or function assisting blind people so they can enjoy the game?Fighting games are cool and all, but I would like something more challenging for a change of pase.greetings Moritz. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/482778/#p482778 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Halo - another big step towards accessibility
Re: Halo - another big step towards accessibility Hi.Thanks for sharing this awesome news. Is there any parts of the gameplay which is accessible or playable at all? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/482769/#p482769 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Halo - another big step towards accessibility
Re: Halo - another big step towards accessibility So I'm curious. Now that Halo: Reach is out on PC, does it also have screen reader support as well?EDIT: Silly me, it's in the Master Chief collection, so it does. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/482637/#p482637 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Halo - another big step towards accessibility
2019-12-04
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : tysonsylvester123 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Halo - another big step towards accessibility yay URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/482638/#p482638 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Halo - another big step towards accessibility
Re: Halo - another big step towards accessibility So I'm curious. Now that Halo: Reach is out on PC, does it also have screen reader support as well? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/482637/#p482637 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Halo - another big step towards accessibility
2019-12-04
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : hadi . gsf via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Halo - another big step towards accessibility Ian i like what you're doing and we are very lucky to have you out there advocating video game accessibility for us URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/482626/#p482626 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Halo - another big step towards accessibility
2019-12-04
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : hadi . gsf via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Halo - another big step towards accessibility Ian i like what you're doing and we are very lucky to have you out there advocating accessibility for us URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/482626/#p482626 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Halo - another big step towards accessibility
2019-12-04
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : Vazbol via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Halo - another big step towards accessibility Remember, access fingers are not limited to the completely Vi community. remember the recent Spider-Man game for the PS 4 was lorded as an incredibly accessible game, but the access was for individuals with motor disabilities. We have more than just 1 category of disabled gamers. Also can confirm, a friend I know actively plays sighted games and watches TV, but still needs a screenreader for reading small text. He could use magnifying software for this, but finds that that still hurts his eyes and is way slower to road at times. The good thing about this is obviously- 1. You can finally use your favorite screenreader with appropriate settings to interact with your avorite game, and 2. 2. this could put us closer to stuff like game notifications reading outloud while in gameplay. I know some games have managed this with pop-ups. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/482579/#p482579 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Halo - another big step towards accessibility
2019-12-04
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : ianhamilton_ via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Halo - another big step towards accessibility Totally understand where you're coming from Darren. But there are blind people playing Halo already, have a chat with sightlesskombat for example. It's also worth bearing in mind that lots of screenreader users still have some residual vision too, there's a big difference between finding it too hard to read menu text and not being able to see at all.Holding back is not an option for the developers. It is now illegal to launch a game that has communications functionality without that communications functionality and any menus or info needed to access that communications functionality being blind accessible. But they're going beyond those basic legal requirements and covering more than they're required to, which is awesome. I have no doubt that in years to come there will be a Halo game that has been designed from the ground up to be blind accessible, but that won't just appear out of thin air in a puff of smoke, it will be based on learnings from what has gone before - including what's learned from this game about screenreader accessibility.And not just Halo either - other first party Xbox games will learn lessons from it, and the wider industry in general will learn lessons from it. Which is why feedback is so important. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/482560/#p482560 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Halo - another big step towards accessibility
2019-12-04
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : ianhamilton_ via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Halo - another big step towards accessibility Totally understand where you're coming from Darren. But there are blind people playing Halo already, have a chat with sightlesskombat for example. Holding back is not an option for the developers. It is now illegal to launch a game that has communications functionality without that communications functionality and any menus or info needed to access that communications functionality being blind accessible. But they're going beyond those basic legal requirements and covering more than they're required to, which is awesome. I have no doubt that in years to come there will be a Halo game that has been designed from the ground up to be blind accessible, but that won't just appear out of thin air in a puff of smoke, it will be based on learnings from what has gone before - including what's learned from this game about screenreader accessibility.And not just Halo either - other first party Xbox games will learn lessons from it, and the wider industry in general will learn lessons from it. Which is why feedback is so important. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/482560/#p482560 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Halo - another big step towards accessibility
2019-12-04
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : darren via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Halo - another big step towards accessibility not meaning to sound negative but i wouldn't buy a game that has accessible menu's but the game itself isn't accessible. seems a bit of a pointless release to me they should have held back until the game was at least playable. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/482556/#p482556 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Halo - another big step towards accessibility
2019-12-04
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : ianhamilton_ via Audiogames-reflector
Halo - another big step towards accessibility Halo: Master Chief Collection has become another game to offer partial narration for menus. They've put up a post detailing which areas are and are not narrated, and something new too - workarounds you can use for areas that aren't covered, including keyboard shortcuts.Something else that is very different in their approach is that the narration is not internal or limited to windows/xbox narrator - it's full screenreader support, works with NVDA.As is the norm at the moment the accommodations only extend as far as the menus, the gameplay itself is no more accessible than other halo games. But it's still a vitally important step, the lessons being learned at the moment are laying the groundwork for years to come.So any feedback at all that you have on either the existing screenreader accessibility OR the workarounds they're using for areas that screeenreaders and keyboards can't reach will be hugely beneficial.https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/news … collection URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/482553/#p482553 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
