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Re: I have a multiple account @83, look at your signature. Read the last line. "The heck with optimism." That completely contradicts what you were trying to say about having a more positive attitude. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/482180/#p482180 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account So does that mean it rains weed? That's wierd but cool sounding. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/482159/#p482159 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account @84, the contraction for you all is, "y'all". My name is ironcross, one word. Also, I believe you meant world rather than word.@83 One guy calls me fat and I'm fat. Interesting how that works. I now proclaim the sky is green. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/482149/#p482149 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account @ Lawrence_McSu and iron cross... if yoll want to beat the shit out of each other because that's the only way to solve stuff in yoll's word, by insults and bashing, be my guest. However, don't do it here. You can do it in other private platforms, but don't drag any of us into your shenanigans, a lot of us are not interested in drama, take it somewhere private, then do what ever the heck you want; but not in public. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/482120/#p482120 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account Iron Cross, what did I do that was so banable? Huh? Huh? Everyday, I see you picking on people who stand up to your shit. My 1st day yu called me gay now you're angry cuz someone said you were a computer patato? I don't know whats worse. If yu actually fat you should spend less time behind the computer and more time outside. Maybe yule get a more positive attitude. It worked for me. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/482037/#p482037 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account Hi.well, I was pritty lucky with my school for the blind where I was till 2015.One of the things they actually teach you is how to be an independend person and how you would get around.This pritty much helped me getting a more secure feeling when i travel on busses, trains or aircraft.Traveling feels like second nature to me, i have no problems in buying tickets, getting on and off trains or book assistance where i would need to change trains.As I said in another topic, I'm trying to get out of the blind bubble so to speak and get more involved with the sighted comunity.Yes, you have your klisheey blindys hhere as well and one of the doctrines of the school seams to raise the students in a way that they say yes and thankue to everything, was pritty much a reason why I started to rebel against that system when i got older.Greetings Moritz. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/482023/#p482023 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account I had crappy experiences in both mainstream and blind schools, but I realize I'm in the minority. Had I gone to a decent mainstream school, as in, one where the teachers would do more than just the bare minimum to follow the letter of the law, and not make it perfectly clear that had they had it their way, they never would have dealt with a blind student at all, I can say that I would agree with those of you who say it's better. On a purely logical level, I do completely understand the benefits, particularly since I saw many of the bad things that can result from being sequestered in a sheltered environment such as a school for the blind. There's good and bad in almost everything, I just happened to have the shitty end of the stick thrust at me throughout my life, so my experiences don't represent the norm, or, at least, I would hope they don't. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481927/#p481927 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account agree with jade and others. I, for one, was never schooled in a blind school. We tried once or twice, but no. I have been mainstream from the start; thank god I have. That has taught me much in life. I'm not saying blind schools are bad; they are not; they just... overdue stuff way too much at times, i'm guessing because not everyone who may be qualified to train a blind person may have enough experience in the field, mind you; not every blind school is like this; some are; some are not; it depends how much prire experience teachers have with blind people before. People with disabilities don't need cuddling or treated differently just because we're different; that is a load of... bt. I would even go out on a limb and say this; at times; not always; but it definitely happens; instead of teaching blind people to be independant, some blind schools teach the opposite unconsciously. What i mean by this, for me at least, and i'm sure i'm not the only one here... I've nevered allowed my blindness to stop me. Any of yoll flown a plane or chopper before? and no; i'm not talking simulator / games; i'm talking, real flying, piloting, as in, the sighted pilot sitting in the cockpit next to you hands you full control of the steering wheel / petals / throttle. I have had this experiences. Hell, i even... wait for it... did a stunt once by myself on a plane, of course with a pilot next to me, duh. This is just my example, there are more out there, some less... i dunno... extreme? lol, some more so. The only way i believe a blind person can be fully independent is by not sheltering or cuddling them or feeling pitty for them. Yes, we may need help once in a while, like everyone else; but, we, don't, need, to, be, looked over, 24 / 7 as if we where made of glass and... o shit, one wrong move and its gunna break;its not like this. Sadly, many people don't know any better because of... well, there are many reasons. Ignorance, fear; just to mention a few. What can happen at times, with parrents / people / blind schools, with anyone really is the following... People may think that they are helping you when in fact they are not. Let me give you an example. Who of you guys walks by themselves already in school / work / college without say, grabbing onto a person's shoulder? Or, how many of you have had this situation, someone says to you, don't use your cane, take my hand i'll guide you. I can see, from one end, how a person may think that they're helping, but its not the case, and if this keeps up, you'll eventually get used to this kind of behavior / responce, digging yourself into a very nasty... hole. I have had these moments, i admit; but i'm letting go of them slowly but surely. I though, wouldn't say though, that blind schools are the root of the problem. They can, again; they, can; be part of the problem, but as for the root? I would say lack of awareness / ignorance. @jade, yup. I was in the same boat, still am, in fact at times. Sometimes material may not be prepaired in time or teachers need to figure out new ways on how to teach stuff in such a way that i'll be on the same page as others without beeing to visual... Sometimes we had to wing it. Lol. I get where your comming from though. Its a damn tough road, but once you cross it? Its satisfying / very rewarding. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481922/#p481922 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account agree with jade and others. I, for one, was never schooled in a blind school. We tried once or twice, but no. I have been mainstream from the start; thank god I have. That has taught me much in life. I'm not saying blind schools are bad; they are not; they just... overdue stuff way too much at times, i'm guessing because not everyone who may be qualified to train a blind person may have enough experience in the field, mind you; not every blind school is like this; some are; some are not; it depends how much prire experience teachers have with blind people before. People with disabilities don't need cuddling or treated differently just because we're different; that is a load of... bt. I would even go out on a limb and say this; at times; not always; but it definitely happens; instead of teaching blind people to be independant, some blind schools teach the opposite unconsciously. What i mean by this, for me at least, and i'm sure i'm not the only one here... I've nevered allowed my blindness to stop me. Any of yoll flown a plane or chopper before? and no; i'm not talking simulator / games; i'm talking, real flying, piloting, as in, the sighted pilot sitting in the cockpit next to you hands you full control of the steering wheel / petals / throttle. I have had this experiences. Hell, i even... wait for it... did a stunt once by myself on a plane, of course with a pilot next to me, duh. This is just my example, there are more out there, some less... i dunno... extreme? lol, some more so. The only way i believe a blind person can be fully independent is by not sheltering or cuddling them or feeling pitty for them. Yes, we may need help once in a while, like everyone else; but, we, don't, need, to, be, looked over, 24 / 7 as if we where made of glass and... o shit, one wrong move and its gunna break;its not like this. Sadly, many people don't know any better because of... well, there are many reasons. Ignorance, fear; just to mention a few. What can happen at times, with parrents / people / blind schools, with anyone really is the following... People may think that they are helping you when in fact they are not. Let me give you an example. Who of you guys walks by themselves already in school / work / college without say, grabbing onto a person's shoulder? Or, how many of you have had this situation, someone says to you, don't use your cane, take my hand i'll guide you. I can see, from one end, how a person may think that they're helping, but its not the case, and if this keeps up, you'll eventually get used to this kind of behavior / responce, digging yourself into a very nasty... hole. I have had these moments, i admit; but i'm letting go of them slowly but surely. I though, wouldn't say though, that blind schools are the root of the problem. They can, again; they, can; be part of the problem, but as for the root? I would say lack of awareness / ignorance. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481922/#p481922 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account agree with jade and others. I, for one, was never schooled in a blind school. We tried once or twice, but no. I have been mainstream from the start; thank god I have. That has taught me much in life. I'm not saying blind schools are bad; they are not; they just... overdue stuff way too much at times, i'm guessing because not everyone who may be qualified to train a blind person may have experience in the field, mind you; not every blind school is like this; some are; some are not; it depends how much prire experience teachers have with blind people. Like, instead of helping, they harm; to a sirtain extent. I would say 80percent hinder and 20percent help. People with disabilities don't need cuddling or treated differently just because we're different; that is a load of... bt. I would even go out on a limb and say this; at times; not always; but it definitely happens; instead of teaching blind people to be independant, some blind schools teach the opposite unconsciously. What i mean by this, for me at least, and i'm sure i'm not the only one here... I've nevered allowed my blindness to stop me. Any of yoll flown a plane or chopper before? and no; i'm not talking simulator / games; i'm talking, real flying, piloting, as in, the sighted pilot sitting in the cockpit next to you hands you full control of the steering wheel / petals / throttle. I have had this experiences. Hell, i even... wait for it... did a stunt once by myself on a plane, of course with a pilot next to me, duh. This is just my example, there are more out there, some less... i dunno... extreme? lol, some more so. The only way i believe a blind person can be fully independent is by not sheltering or cuddling them or feeling pitty for them. Yes, we may need help once in a while, like everyone else; but, we, don't, need, to, be, looked over, 24 / 7 as if we where made of glass and... o shit, one wrong move and its gunna break;its not like this. Sadly, many people don't know any better because of... well, there are many reasons. Ignorance, fear; just to mention a few. What can happen at times, with parrents / people / blind schools, with anyone really is the following... People may think that they are helping you when in fact they are not. Let me give you an example. Who of you guys walks by themselves already in school / work / college without say, grabbing onto a person's shoulder? Or, how many of you have had this situation, someone says to you, don't use your cane, take my hand i'll guide you. I can see, from one end, how a person may think that they're helping, but its not the case, and if this keeps up, you'll eventually get used to this kind of behavior / responce, digging yourself into a very nasty... hole. I have had these moments, i admit; but i'm letting go of them slowly but surely. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481922/#p481922 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account agree with jade and others. I, for one, was never schooled in a blind school. We tried once or twice, but no. I have been mainstream from the start; thank god I have. That has taught me much in life. I'm not saying blind schools are bad; they are not; they just... overdue stuff way too much. Like, instead of helping, they harm; to a sirtain extent. I would say 80percent hinder and 20percent help. People with disabilities don't need cuddling or treated differently just because we're different; that is a load of... bt. I would even go out on a limb and say this; at times; not always; but it definitely happens; instead of teaching blind people to be independant, some blind schools teach the opposite unconsciously. What i mean by this, for me at least, and i'm sure i'm not the only one here... I've nevered allowed my blindness to stop me. Any of yoll flown a plane or chopper before? and no; i'm not talking simulator / games; i'm talking, real flying, piloting, as in, the sighted pilot sitting in the cockpit next to you hands you full control of the steering wheel / petals / throttle. I have had this experiences. Hell, i even... wait for it... did a stunt once by myself on a plane, of course with a pilot next to me, duh. This is just my example, there are more out there, some less... i dunno... extreme? lol, some more so. The only way i believe a blind person can be fully independent is by not sheltering or cuddling them or feeling pitty for them. Yes, we may need help once in a while, like everyone else; but, we, don't, need, to, be, looked over, 24 / 7 as if we where made of glass and... o shit, one wrong move and its gunna break;its not like this. Sadly, many people don't know any better because of... well, there are many reasons. Ignorance, fear; just to mention a few. What can happen at times, with parrents / people / blind schools, with anyone really is the following... People may think that they are helping you when in fact they are not. Let me give you an example. Who of you guys walks by themselves already in school / work / college without say, grabbing onto a person's shoulder? Or, how many of you have had this situation, someone says to you, don't use your cane, take my hand i'll guide you. I can see, from one end, how a person may think that they're helping, but its not the case, and if this keeps up, you'll eventually get used to this kind of behavior / responce, digging yourself into a very nasty... hole. I have had these moments, i admit; but i'm letting go of them slowly but surely. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481922/#p481922 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account agree with jade and others. I, for one, was never schooled in a blind school. We tried once or twice, but no. I have been mainstream from the start; thank god I have. That has taught me much in life. I'm not saying blind schools are bad; they are not; they just... overdue stuff way too much. Like, instead of helping, they harm; to a sirtain extent. I would say 80percent hinder and 20percent help. People with disabilities don't need cuddling or treated differently just because we're different; that is a load of... bt. I would even go out on a limb and say this; at times; not always; but it definitely happens; instead of teaching blind people to be independant, some blind schools teach the opposite unconsciously. What i mean by this, for me at least, and i'm sure i'm not the only one here... I've nevered allowed my blindness to stop me. Any of yoll flown a plane or chopper before? and no; i'm not talking simulator / games; i'm talking, real flying, piloting, as in, the sighted pilot sitting in the cockpit next to you hands you full control of the steering wheel / petals / throttle. I have had this experiences. Hell, i even... wait for it... did a stunt once by myself on a plane, of course with a pilot next to me, duh. This is just my example, there are more out there, some less... i dunno... extreme? lol, some more so. The only way i believe a blind person can be fully independent is by not sheltering or cuddling them or feeling pitty for them. Yes, we may need help once in a while, like everyone else; but, we, don't, need, to, be, looked over, 24 / 7 as if we where made of glass and... o shit, one wrong move and its gunna break;its not like this. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481922/#p481922 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account @76 I could say the same about you, oh wait, no I can't. You got away with what you did, and should have been banned. Ah well, a fella can dream, right? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481910/#p481910 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account @Lawrence_McSu: Right sentiment, but I should stress that it is most certainly possible to call someone's actions out as inexcusable while at the same time not blaming them if you know they weren't properly prepared for the real world. First step in giving people a good dose of reality is to do so without ripping into their character completely. That is possible. Needless to say I wouldn't go calling pitying this aiding a known criminal. That's comparing apples to oranges. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481909/#p481909 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account Honestly I think I got the best end of going to a blind school. I have actually gone to a blind school since I was 3, and I thought it was an interesting experience. Because my parents did their best to keep me "in the know" with social cues with the outside world, I do think that I was able to reap some of the benefits of both going to and not going to a blind school. There never seemed to be issues when I went, although there were definitely other issues that I knew about. Thankfully, I was able to attend another school taking honors classes there, so I was able to get that experience as well. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481894/#p481894 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account Iron Cross got what was coming. Anyhow, both my cousin and I were put in the only blind school in TT. it was 50 km from my house. Jaidon, my cousin stayed for a month then his mum decided normal school was better. I stayed a bit later and you can see the effects on me. Lower scores than other people in my class plus social instabillity my aunty always said blind school was dumb school. Its a good thing i got out when i had the chance Most of the blind school people i know tend to act like cave people with no social skills and come out as what we here call bhebhe. No form of basic skills. And to anyone who thinks we should show petty to uhr, you are just aiding a known criminal.And as for age i turned 14 today URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481892/#p481892 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account Agreed with Jade. No point in creating this protected bubble for *some* schools. Mine was like that, like I said and it didn't prepare anyone there at all. Amusingly, it's now facing a funding crisis, per the BBC. Not shocked, really. Not shocked at all...same school that locked the screenreader at a a set rate/volume and didn't let anyone use headphones during exams then wondered why there was so much cheating/sigh URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481821/#p481821 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account yeah, much agreed. If I'm going to make tts anything, it has to be an actual audio production or a story that, while it may feature some speech-based inside humor here and there, isn't always windows vs whatever, over and over again. TTS stuff can actually have some sighted appeal, take the series of tv show logo bloopers on Yutube. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481791/#p481791 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account yeah, much agreed. If I'm going to make tts anything, it has to be an actual audio production or a story that, while it may feature some speech-based inside humor here and there, isn't always windows vs whatever, over and over again. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481791/#p481791 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account Me too. Have to disagree about the TTS skit comment though. I find making them to be not only entertaining but also instructive, and it’s taught me things about audio editing I wouldn’t have learned otherwise. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481787/#p481787 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account Agreed with Jayde very much regarding this... URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481783/#p481783 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account I like to make the screen reader fight things, not because I feel this need to, but because it improves my audio editing skillset. That said, it isn't like I'd run to the first sighted person and be like, "Lookie what I just did". URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481775/#p481775 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account There are blindness-based institutions and training programs that do a lot of good things. But as has been stated, there are many which shelter to the detriment of students, and that's definitely not good for anybody.I am so, so grateful that I was mainstreamed. When I was five or six, the public school board where I'd attended kindergarten and first grade started trying to push a blind school on us. My mom's response was basically "over my dead body". The school was an hour away, would've meant I either had over an hour's commute every day or would've only been home on weekends. It also meant I would've been spending the majority of my time around blind people. That in and of itself is not an awful thing - there are many lovely blind people out there in the world, I've even met some of them - but unfortunately, upon visiting this school, we discovered something a bit insidious. A lot of "blindisms" were present, and a sizable part of the population was actually deafblind; there was a lot of loud vocalizations, humming, rocking, hand-flapping and other stuff going on (I remember some of this myself, and my parents told me other things which meshed with the slivers I can still recall). Anyway, they did not want me raised in that sort of environment, and did not want me an hour from home more hours of the week than not during the school year, so that was a hard nope. So I was mainstreamed. Sometimes I didn't have books or assignments prepared on time, and I had to play catch-up. We had to think on the fly in order to find ways to teach me more complex geometry and other bits of math (I had hell trying to picture how to calculate the surface area of a cylinder, for instance). We had to find different things I could do in gym class, because running around playing dodgeball and ball hockey and god knows what else was just a recipe for somebody getting hurt. There were some behavioural issues when I was young, because I'd get bored and then get disruptive. But overall, I was raised around sighted individuals, I learned to listen to them and talk to them. I didn't care about everything they did, not by a longshot, but virtually all of my good friends were sighted, and it was never a pity thing. Still isn't, to this day. My current partner is sighted, and in total, all but two of my partners throughout my life have also been sighted. I don't mind blind people, but the cringe-worthy, extremely socially awkward stuff just makes me want to run like hell the other way. People imitating screenreaders, people who don't observe even basic hygiene, people who think it's really amusing to make "fight" recordings between screenreader voices...just no. No. All the no.I'm not prepared to speak to whether or not this or that or the other blind school teaches the proper etiquette for navigating the world, but I feel that my lack of experience actually makes this harder for me to empathize with. So much of it, for me, is common sense that I have trouble finding the difficulty. I find myself thinking "God, just go -talk to them already!" or "you know, a "hello" never hurt anyone".And inasmuch as maturity relates to this conversation, I really don't think age is a definitive indicator of maturity. I think the only approach that works is a reactive one. Rather than trying to set this arbitrary age limit on internet access, particularly on this forum, we simply observe those who show up, and if their immaturity or disregard for rules gets them in trouble, they're dealt with. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481758/#p481758 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account @Jack/Turtle: I'll jump into this discussion a moment. I don't think kids (i.e. under 13s) should be online at all. Or, if they are they are monitored. No, it's not foolproof. But it's a lot better than just let them run rampant on Youtube/FB/etc without moderating them or checking in on them. And, no, parental controls/filtering are not an answer. Think back to being in school, filters are too strict. For example, a then friend of mine wanted to look up synonyms for lust for an essay. The school filter threw a hissy fit because oh my god lust = searching for porn on school networks! (when it wasn't the case). So the IT guy had to drag her into his office and have a talk with her about appropriate uses of school computers. Never mind the fact it /was/ one.Also, yes, sheltered. Ack I hate that about blind/blindie schools, it's do it this way and only this way and no other way because we said so. Which is all sorts of issues. It's like they're training people not to try things. I honestly think blind schools neeed to fuck off with that shit, and actually let students experiment and try things, and match the real world more closely, not this fabricated perfect bullshit they think is real. It's like, was on Reddit last night and found a story that illustrates my point. It's not about a blind person, but...hear me out...This mother sheltered her kid to the point that she told him he was amazing and was the best thing everand was throwing a fit when he got into the lowest grammar school (in the UK), the /loest/ one in the areawhich naturally had people who, oh le gasp, swore, smoked, beat people up, and were, shock, horror, acting /normal/ like normal humans. Kid gets called short in the lunch line (he was going by the Reddit post). Kid runs to a teacher in tears. The other students don't let that go and the mother goes off on FB about how her son is being treated so horribly. So this other parent (who was the one writing the story), argued it wasn't that bad and her son told the kid to laugh it off and not react. Kid got pulled out and put into a comprehensive. He got his tail kicked in and swore at, spat at, his shit stolen. And he had a full on breakdown when he learned it.So what's my point? Too sheltered is bad. I'd like to put people from blind schools into the world at large and see how they do, vs a group that's been there from the start like an experiment of sorts URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481754/#p481754 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account Yeah, Jack, you and I are more or less on the same page. It's unfortunate that so many blind people are sheltered to the point where things like the OP need to be a thing in the first place. It's a shitshow for sure, and makes one think. Who was better off, pre-internet blind people, or hell, let's not even say that, let's say anyone with a prominent, recognizable disability which would have them perceived as different or even untouchable within the bounds of their living situation, or today's generation of the same, who have access to anything they want to know, except for real world experience? I'm sure we could go back and forth about that all day, and, while it would be a truly fascinating discussion, it wouldn't accomplish much. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481702/#p481702 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account Wow amazing. I'm reading this topic and drinking coffee.BTW, i agreed posts about kids under 13 must not be in net, but well.i registered here when i was 14, but people like charlie, etc knows me from 2017, so when i was 12 and was playing some audio games. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481699/#p481699 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account Cmerry, don't make this worse.You mention a little extra weight. You mention trouble getting out the front door. You mention difficulty getting up if he's knocked down after "all that time sitting in a computer chair".Open and shut, my dude. It's fat-shaming.I recognize that Ironcross tends to bluster sometimes, and I've personally told him to cool his jets several times. But this does not under any circumstances justify fat-shaming. Please don't treat us like we're stupid. You don't get to claim you were talking about being a keyboard warrior when you made three fat jokes in post 59. Any attempt to defend this behaviour is done on bad faith. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481684/#p481684 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account I think if you looked a little deeper into my message you’d understand what I’m actually trying to say. You can say you have big balls all you want when you’re online, but unless you can do the same shit offline you most likely don’t. I’m of corse not talking about physical balls lol, rather the attitude you have, or claim to have, online. Ironcross’s consistent failure to come up with responses to my arguments other than I can totally fuck people up even though I’m typing this on an internet forum, and I’m right because I say I am, only serve to prove my point. I think ironcross’s harassing and bullying of dan_duro far out ways anything I’ve done in this topic. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481661/#p481661 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account Moderation:Cmerry, consider this an official warning. I have no idea whether or not Ironcross is a big dude or not, weight-wise, but whether he is or is not, fat-shaming is just not okay, and one of your latest posts is full of it. You try to talk about maturity, and then resort to half-baked fat-shaming? Nope, dude. Sorry. Doesn't work. So that's why you have a warning. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481646/#p481646 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account Oh... How fun. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481618/#p481618 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account @Turtlepower17 Thank you for bringing that further. I was trying to illustrate the point of people who limit their interaction, or have their actions limited by ,a sheltered world. My social media point was a wild attempt at more ways to get out and get a glimpse of reality if people are in these sheltered environments that don't really allow for any other social interaction. And reality it may be, but you are absolutely right it is absolutely not the harsh reality you want exposed to kids straight off. And now with people being forcedly connected to the net nowadays, it brings forth the almost unavoidable, Brave New World-esc reality of social media that keeps you wanting more, similar to how a slot machine now presents you with a couch-like seating arrangement to keep you comfortable, or rather, keep your playtime going longer by making you not want to get up again. And people limiting their interaction with people and moderating who is and isn't worth your time is totally not something younger people should be exposed to simply by being thrown into the world as it were. If you have parents that don't bother with the parental control being that they do far more harm than actual good, and probably sell your data while you're at it, then you'll have parents that actually sit down with their kids and have good discuissions (not interrogations) about what to look out for on the net. Of course now the world is bringing strangers closer to people now with rideshare and Air B, which is a double-edged sword for both sides of the coin. Just as there are some of the nicest people you may literally run into on your way to work, this rideshare biz unfortunatley makes it easier for the currupt assholes to expose themselves to passengers similarly to a questionable Facebook friend request/message.Is the world going to hell in a handbasket? No, not necessarily, but there's no denying the internet is worse off than it was a decade ago when you actually had time to think about what you were typing while you had no choice but to wait for it to go across cyber-space. The internet has turned from a getaay for some, to a shitshow if you get caught in the midst of it. And then there are good people and sites around as well, though some more weed-pulling is necessary to find that stuff and now with things like cancel culture running rampent through social media and hitting the wrong people for the wron reasons, even good people have to watch out for supposedly good-intended people doing more harm than good just for hits. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481609/#p481609 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account : dunno. Even if this sight was to be restricted to members 18 or above... Anyone can just click, yes, i'm above 18, and get passed that restriction. The only way to insure people younger than 18 wouldn't get on here? have google or something check the person't birth date. Then again. That, too, can be bypassed if one knows how. There isn't really a way to do this. Not a fullproof way; loopholes will always be found and exploited. @iron cross... I think i've seen some of your posts in applevis, as, I assume, you've seen mine. If i'm thinking of the right guy here... Some of the replies to people in applevis i've seen have been... kind of, uncalled for, by which i mean a little harsher than they maybee should be without beeing warranted. That is, if i'm thinking of the right person. If you wrote the post, enough with simplistic games, on applevis, then yes, i have the right guy. I could be wrong though. I'm only saying this because the guy who made that post on apple vis was called brandon as well. Then again, as they say, assumption is the mother of all fuck ups, so yeah. Might as well not assume its the same person until I get Proof that it is or its not. I'm just mentioning this as some of your replies and some in applevis have some... similarities. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481606/#p481606 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account : dunno. Even if this sight was to be restricted to members 18 or above... Anyone can just click, yes, i'm above 18, and get passed that restriction. The only way to insure people younger than 18 wouldn't get on here? have google or something check the person't birth date. Then again. That, too, can be bypassed if one knows how. There isn't really a way to do this. Not a fullproof way; loopholes will always be found and exploited. @iron cross... I think i've seen some of your posts in applevis, as, I assume, you've seen mine. If i'm thinking of the right guy here... Some of the replies to people in applevis i've seen have been... kind of, uncalled for, by which i mean a little harsher than they maybee should be without beeing warranted. That is, if i'm thinking of the right person. If you wrote the post, enough with simplistic games, on applevis, then yes, i have the right guy. I could be wrong though. I'm only saying this because the guy who made that post on apple vis was called brandon as well. Then again, as they say, assumption is the mother of all fuck ups, so yeah. Might as well not assume its the same person until I get Proof that it is or its not. I'm just mentioning this as some of your replies and some in apple have some... similarities. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481606/#p481606 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account : dunno. Even if this sight was to be restricted to members 18 or above... Anyone can just click, yes, i'm above 18, and get passed that restriction. The only way to insure people younger than 18 wouldn't get on here? have google or something check the person't birth date. Then again. That, too, can be bypassed if one knows how. There isn't really a way to do this. Not a fullproof way; loopholes will always be found and exploited. @iron cross... I think i've seen some of your posts in applevis, as, I assume, you've seen mine. If i'm thinking of the right guy here... Some of the replies to people in applevis i've seen have been... kind of, uncalled for, by which i mean a little harsher than they maybee should be without beeing warranted. That is, if i'm thinking of the right person. If you wrote the post, enough with simplistic games, on applevis, then yes, i have the right guy. I could be wrong though. I'm only saying this because the guy who made that post on apple vis was called brandon as well. Then again, as they say, assumption is the mother of all fuck ups, so yeah. Might as well not assume its the same person until I get Proof that it is or its not. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481606/#p481606 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account : dunno. Even if this sight was to be restricted to members 18 or above... Anyone can just click, yes, i'm above 18, and get passed that restriction. The only way to insure people younger than 18 wouldn't get on here? have google or something check the person't birth date. Then again. That, too, can be bypassed if one knows how. There isn't really a way to do this. Not a fullproof way; loopholes will always be found and exploited. @iron cross... I think i've seen some of your posts in applevis, as, I assume, you've seen mine. If i'm thinking of the right guy here... Some of the replies to people in applevis i've seen have been... kind of, uncalled for, by which i mean a little harsher than they maybee should be without beeing warranted. That is, if i'm thinking of the right person. If you wrote the post, enough with simplistic games, on applevis, then yes, i have the right guy. I could be wrong though. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481606/#p481606 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account Jack, I agree with the thrust of what you're saying, but I do think recommending young kids to use social media as a way to gauge norms is a bad idea. By young kids, I mean teenagers, by the way. It's a habit I've formed over the years since my parents will sometimes refer to people in their early 20's as kids, meant in a derogatory fashion, of course, but I find myself doing the same a lot when it comes to teens because well, many of them do act in ways I don't like. With that out of the way, I should point out that there's so much toxic shit that can influence even grown adults--alt right ideology, incels, even terrorist groups--who are looking to suck in the most vulnerable memberrs of society they can find. Kids, particuarly naive, socially inept ones, are such easy targets that it would be laughable if there was any humor to be found in that sort of situation at all. Even if we take the probability of them straying to such subcultures out of the equation, there's still a lot of damage that can be done through social media that no one would ever know about until it was too late. I don't even mean things like cyberbullying or older creepers grooming teens, but more subtle but still insideous things like, for example, shaping someone's worldview by posturing and giving the idea that everyone out there acts like hostile dickheads, for lack of a better term, all the time.My first introduction to the world of online interactions was via Accessible Chat when I was 12. When my dad found out, I was grounded, and spoken to quite harshly about it. In hindsight, I'm glad he did what he did, because I wasn't ready for that kind of thing at all. I can look back and honestly say that the only thing I wanted at that point in my life was to not be ostracized from the small community with even smaller minds that I grew up in. Of course, at 12 years old, you don't understand that even making one close friend would have eased the situation; no, I was bound and determined to be popular, because popularity equaled success. It seemed like a straight line from point A to B that everyone else was too stupid to comprehend. So, when I found out about a blind-friendly chat client, (keep in mind that at this point in my life, I knew a couple of other blind people, but most had additional disabilities) I said to myself, "Hey! If I talk to a hundred people, then technically that means I'm popular! Fuck yeah!" I wanted this so badly that I overlooked obvious things. I know for a fact that I freely gave out my age several times. Pretty much everyone else that I ever interacted with there was way older. I saw a lot of sexual banter that I didn't really understand at the time, thus, it went over my head, but that was how my dad ultimately found out and ripped me a new one, because that was going on and he saw it.Afterwards, I didn't really try to seek out any more services like that until I heard about The Zone BBS about 3 years later. By this time, I had my own computer and phone line, yes, this was in the days of dialup, so I could more or less do what I wanted, though, to this day, I still reflexively minimize whatever window I'm working in whenever someone comes near. I was 15 and still vulnerable--very lonely, struggling with depression and self-injury and other things that I had zero support in dealing with--and I latched onto a couple of pretty toxic people immediately. I believe one of them fabricated an abusive situation to try and get sexual favors from me. Another was an antagonistic asshole who no one liked really, but I wasn't smart enough to realize that, so I took the bait over and over again and let him get to me over the smallest and dumbest things. I, as well as pretty much everyone else, knew who to block so that weird questions wouldn't flood your PM's on a daily basis. Even after I cut off the quicknotes feature for good, I posted a lot on the message boards. There were several people who it seemed as though it was their biggest joy in life to tear others down at every turn. Long into my adulthood, I am ashamed to say that I believed this was what socializing online entailed, so I avoided it at all cost. I once cut off a friendship with someone I played Kingdom of Loathing with because, though we chatted a lot and had even gotten to the point of exchanging Skype details, and I believed he wasn't a threat, I figured that all online interactions were bad, so it just stressed me out. If it hadn't been for my ex, who I met through an online class I was taking, my mind would never have been opened to the possibility of even chatting casually during a game I was playing like RTR or Crazy Party or whatever. Though the damage from things that happened in that relationship runs deep, I will always be grateful to him for at least showing me that people aren't all out to get you or taking on some sort of Jekyll and Hyde persona just because they're typing on a keyboard. Oh,
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Re: I have a multiple account Maybe, but you’d have to deal with the difficulties of getting out your front door first. Then there’s always the problem of actually kicking ass before they see you. Though I guess a little extra weight might help you out there.Ah shoot, am I missing something? Oh that’s right, have fun getting up if they somehow knock you down, you might find that difficult, ya know, all that time sitting in a computer chair? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481589/#p481589 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account I haven't been in a fight since high school, that doesn't mean I wouldn't fuck someone up if I had to. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481582/#p481582 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account Sure it does. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481578/#p481578 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account 54, I highly dout that. You would probavly have had your ass handed to you by now if that were the case. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481579/#p481579 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account Lol, I was 10 when I registered here. OK, actually, I had just turned 11 on the same day I registered. @54, seriously dude, really? Come on, that's not any kind of response that makes any sense. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481563/#p481563 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account You have nothing on me and you know it, hence the keyboard warrior jibe which isn't even accurate. I'd say anything to a person face to face I'd say online. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481559/#p481559 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account Ironcross, jack is correct on this one. I’ll be the first to agree that under 13s shouldn’t be on the net. I was and people who knew me back then can tell you how much of a stupid, ADHD, annoying kid I was back then even before I registered here. Although with that said, sam was 11 when he registered here, so...As for your immaturity, come on man it’s everywhere. I shouldn’t even need to go and point out the bullshit of 99.5 per sent of your posts on this forum. You’ve also thus far failed to come up with a logical argument as to why I’m wrong in any of my points. Fire away, keyboard worrier. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481551/#p481551 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account Yeah, talk about the topic becoming...even more...interesting? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481549/#p481549 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account @50 I’m very confused about where celebrating birthdays entered the conversation. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481548/#p481548 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account Ok Ok, it's getting very, very interesting right here, since I'm now writting (writing) on the mall and I don't know what to do since we're preparing for a grupal exam.Firstly someone has a second account, tne, then a mix of some popcorn, the other one saying that uh did something and was banned for doing that inpatriotic thing, wa the other that the forum will be restricted by guys thah have 18 years or more. I myself recently am 19 years old, so why you didn't congratulated me for me birthday? Come on, give me some cake for me or still others, the month is coming to an end, the year and the decade also, so if you want to selebrate the new decade coming... URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481541/#p481541 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account Correct. I'll be the first to admit I was very annoying back then. Did I actually take the time to learn programming? Yes. Have I finished? Hell no, and it's been how many years. Have I done small projects? Yes. Online? Absolutely not. Have I stolen code? Absolutely not. Granted there was hardly any code around to steal at the time but still. I presume every kid has been tought not to take what isn't yours. Whether they choose to follow that is entirely their call, and that can ultimately determine one's maturity. There's just no excuse for it, even oh they're just a kid, but...nothing. Cloners can learn from their mistakes and not in an Urh2306/Audiogamer1000 bribery/false dealings method. Sometimes learning means getting called out. Just because they're kids doesn't always mean handle with kid gloves, though you obviously do want to be careful not to actually rip into their person, as it is entirely possible to call out someone's actions, spare no feelings, and yet still attempt to avoid ripping at their actual person. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481532/#p481532 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account Correct. I'll be the first to admit I was very annoying back then. Did I actually take the time to learn programming? Yes. Have I finished? Hell no, and it's been how many years. Have I done small projects? Yes. Online? Absolutely not. Have I stolen code? Absolutely not. Granted there was hardly any code around to steal at the time but still. I presume every kid has been tought not to take what isn't yours. Whether they choose to follow that is entirely their call, and that can ultimately determine one's maturity. There's just no excuse for it, even oh they're just a kid, but...nothing. Cloners can learn from their mistakes and not in an Urh2306/Audiogamer1000 bribery/false dealings method. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481532/#p481532 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I have a multiple account
Re: I have a multiple account Correct. I'll be the first to admit I was very annoying back then. Did I actually take the time to learn programming? Yes. Have I finished? Hell no, and it's been how many years. Have I done small projects? Yes. Online? Absolutely not. Have I stolen code? Absolutely not. Granted there was hardly any code around to steal at the time but still. I presume every kid has been tought not to take what isn't yours. Whether they choose to follow that is entirely their call, and that can ultimately determine one's maturity. There's just no excuse for it, even oh they're just a kid, but...nothing. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481532/#p481532 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account May I just say a proven fact:Middle schoolers are by proxy annoying. I was one, and I was annoying. While not everyone is not annoying to a fault in middle school, all middle schoolers are annoying to some extent. It goes away with time. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481528/#p481528 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account Except I never did any of that crap. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481526/#p481526 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account Ironcross, for god's sake, don't forget that you were also a kid some years ago. After gaining some reputation people can forget their past sooo easily. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481510/#p481510 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account I know not everyone has the opportunity to get out more, but it's called get mainstream social media at least. If your country hasn't firewalled it that is. It's nowhere close to real reality, but any effort to expose onself counts for something. And no, Skype doesn't count, that's only people you, quote, know, but it's not an open world. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481504/#p481504 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account I know like one other VI person IRl. When you interact with sighted people, there's not this just miasma of bullshit hovering over them. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481501/#p481501 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account AKA reason number 45120 why *most* blind schools don't prepare people for the real world both socially and just in general. W aren't going to get anywhere if you are institutionally sheltered in your own little world.Also, I have the same argument kids shouldn't be on the open internet, but that applies to those under 13. Which, incidentally, a fare few of the cloners presumably are. The argument should really be where the hell are the kids' parents in this and how are they getting away with things that would have the rest of us getting our asses handed to us. Moderation on a forum can only give them so much exposure to reality, but there's a point where it stops because this being not a workplace environment with online components, there naturally are no offline consequences whatsoever. It's a serious problem. Parents handing kids as young as 6 phones or tablets and letting the roam free so they can go watch tv and play farmvill or whatever the hell else. It's the reason why Youtube now suddenly has to bend to their will, because some of these self-righteous people are the same ones that take shots at Youtube stars when their kids, uh, find? their Youtube videos with choice words, when really it's the parents' fault for being so oblivious. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481497/#p481497 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account AKA reason number 45120 why *most* blind schools don't prepare people for the real world both socially and just in general. W aren't going to get anywhere if you are institutionally sheltered in your own little world. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481497/#p481497 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account I think it also depends on how much contact people have with the outside world. If you have the opportunity to mingle with people who live near you, take it. It seems like the people who are able to do this (it may not be possible for some) are more socially aware and more mature because of learning from others. That could also backfire if the other people are immature, but that's why it's helpful to get to know many different types of people. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481495/#p481495 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account Ironcross32 wrote:So calling out people for their stupidity is immature, but becoming involved in a hot bed of questionable games with questionable code isn't?That's not what Charlie's saying. The two aren't mutually exclusive. I think he was talking about your past track record when mentioning that. Calling out stupidity when warranted, which it is in this case, is not immature. Getting involved in unauthorized code theft/skirting the bans remains just as immature as it has been. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481491/#p481491 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account So calling out people for their stupidity is immature, but becoming involved in a hot bed of questionable games with questionable code isn't? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481483/#p481483 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account @38, FYI, you’re a perfect example of what you’re protesting against. You can’t really expect anyone to take you seriously until you show some maturity yourself. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481461/#p481461 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account I don't even think kids should be allowed on the internet. I know it's not practical but yeah. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481458/#p481458 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account Given the fact that there is no age verification possibility I don't see that being practical. Not to mention that it's doubtful whether or not most of the cloners are even 13 themselves, most of them sure don't act the part and they're easy to tell apart from most kids and adults alike.Moonwalker wrote:Only above 18? Seriously? LOLExactly. If we've had adult-aged members cause all kinds of havoc on here, then age restricting the site is not going to get rid of it entirely. Not to mention the fact that it is still not going to permanently eradicate any cloners possibility of registering on the forum, even when banned quite soon after. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481449/#p481449 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account Only above 18? Seriously? LOL URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481417/#p481417 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account Exactly. Let’s not even forget the fact that sam is 17. Ivan was also 17 when he released TK. I myself am 16. Granted if you dig into my post history you’ll see some pretty immature moments up there, but I was 13 when I registered and relatively clueless about the world around me. I can think of quite a few others who registered under 18, Lauren Downie, defender, danny, steve, skyloard, mason under his various accounts, Liam and Philip? Just to name a few. Sediment is also a great example that age doesn’t always mean maturity, though he himself registered under the name FuriousD in 2008. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481409/#p481409 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account @33 well maiby yeah they are so many but what must that persons whitch are not participating to make clones and etc to do? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481367/#p481367 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account It seems like we're swamped with them. What can I say. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481364/#p481364 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account @28 every person is not like urh and some cloner kiddos. So still i didn't get your post. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481363/#p481363 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account @28 Considering the one 17-year-old admin... LOL` URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481306/#p481306 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account How exactly is that happening? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481295/#p481295 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account This toppic got copletely senseless, so we can just posting. 23 umph i miss klango rofls. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481291/#p481291 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account I don't know, sometimes I hate the fact that kids can come on here. I wish it was restricted to 18+, but even a lot of those people in the blind community have their own bullshit going on. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481289/#p481289 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account @17, fair enough. But banning individual accounts when they're using the Tor network is probably a better idea than banning that exit node entirely, especially when you don't know who else could be routed through that same node. (Sde note: I think that tracerouting a tor node IP address will fail to resolve to the origin IP, which is a good indicator that they're either using a VPN or tor.) URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481254/#p481254 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account yeah actually, I can go with @20 and similar URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481251/#p481251 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account Oh no, he found all of our gold!This is the worst day in history. Ever. Period.*Manamon2 reference for those who don't know.* URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481226/#p481226 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account Oh no, he found all of our gold!THis is the worst day in history. Ever. Period. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481226/#p481226 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I have a multiple account
Re: I have a multiple account Sometimes I can't believe how naive people can be. How can anyone trust this to be a real apology? It's like saying: I am very, very sorry for having stolen all your money from this great safe you have there behind the painting in the living room. I admit I've used the combination 12557 to open it, and the code for deactivating the alarm system was 5573, but I'm really sorry I did this. If anyone else wants to break in and steal stuff too, don't do it because it's wrong and if the houseowners aren't home, which they usually aren't between five and six in the evening, they'll be very sad when they come home and the easily openable kitchen window stands open. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481219/#p481219 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account Sometimes I can't believe how naive people can be. How can anyone trust this to be a real apology? It's like saying: I am very, very sory for having stolen all your money from this great safe you have there behind the painting in the living room. I admit I've used the combination 12557 to open it, and the code for deactivating the alarm system was 5573, but I'm really sorry I did this. If anyone else wants to break in and steal stuff too, don't do it because it's wrong and if the houseowners aren't home, which they usually aren't between five and six in the evening, they'll be very sad when they come home and the easily openable kitchen window stands open. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481219/#p481219 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account Too bad he missed his chance to go on Klango when it was virtually unmoderated for the months leading up to its dying day. Lol!And yes. I do miss that network. And not because of that. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481194/#p481194 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account He missed his chance to go on Klango when it was virtually unmoderated until its dying day. Lol! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481194/#p481194 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account LOL, am wondering when is he going to come to Elten and continue. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481190/#p481190 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account @Mongoo and @rori: I believe at least one of you knows about this topic?Trying to be apologists for an illegitimate apologizer can only go all kinds of wrong, because he, like that other topic, is probably feeding on people to fall for it. Think. Why would he blatantly mention Tor publicly if it didn't *potentially* open the door for other banned users to skirt their ban? Whether he meant to or not, he did pretty much tell users how to get around a ban, in a coded apology. Let's take into account that Cudly did not use bribery and false dealings from a staff impersonator to apologize for his actions and want to start over. Huge difference here. You can't defend someone who's done far more harm than good, then tries to get around it twice, the first occurrence beingLiam wrote:Apparently Urh2006 decided that the 90 day ban was not enough and atempted to create a second account.Hi, i am James, i am from Florida and i want to to registere on this forum. I am 22 years old and i really enjoy playing audiogames.IP addresses don't lie. Enjoy an extra three months to cool off.So, there you go. Before you go throwing the pity party for a banned, rebanned, and rebanned again user, at least check their track record. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481177/#p481177 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account First, what the hell are "seegworts"? Genuinely confused here.Second, I want to take apart this whole notion that you should receive sympathy just because you apologize.Urh was banned for many reasons, all of which were legitimate.He apparently loved the forum so much that he couldn't stay away. He snuck back in, made comments from time to time, and because we weren't sure if it was him, we couldn't ban him. Let's bear in mind that he had already been banned, and getting around a ban this way is, in itself, a rule violation.So no, you don't get to just fess up and have your misdeeds hand-waved. The appropriate thing to do would've been to approach a staff member privately and via appropriate channels if you wanted to apologize. In this instance, I'm not sure that it would've changed anything, as a considerable amount of harm was done before Urh was banned in the first place, but it never hurts to try. Hey, everybody makes mistakes, after all, and if there appears to be a genuine desire to fix things, that goes a long way.Unfortunately what we have here is a lot like a burglar getting caught, put in jail, breaking out somehow, stealing from a few more houses, then turning himself in. He's...kind of not going to walk free after that. If you were so apologetic for your actions, why did you have to sneak around and break more rules?Nope. Not buying it, not for a hot second. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481130/#p481130 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account can you guys just accept that he was trying to apolagize? That is all. It looks like he was very apologetic and understanded his wrongdoing, not that he was in anyway trying to do any more harm; furthermore, he was more likely trying to say sorry for the harm he'd previously caused. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481127/#p481127 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account why do we do those harmfull tihngs to eech otheryou guys are acting like seegworts; at simba and others who doesnt give them an opertoonity to start over just as cudly didit's very sad to watch those fokes get band just because they said sorry and they want to start overhope you understand what your meening by the way URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481125/#p481125 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account @Ethin: I suppose it would be based off of a user's track record then. I don't think anyone's done an IP check without being prompted to by a user's actions or suspicious character. Plus,Aaron wrote:Moderation!@Audiogamer1000 I'm taking this right to the staff list, so I am sure some sort of decision will be made soon enough. happened before Liam's post, so preconceived notions likely wouldn't cut it when deciding when to ban someone even if they were using Tore. This is something to consider as VPN's actually become viable and speedy means of accessing the internet thanks to Cloudflare's inclusion of a Wireguard-based vpn they call Warp in their 1.1.1.1 dns resolver. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481103/#p481103 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account The issue with banning people who are using Tor is that your banning legitimate people who may just want to use Tor to remain anonymous. That's the huge issue with this; its no longer about using a VPN, but about banning possible future innocent users who happen to be directed through the same Tor exit node you just banned. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481097/#p481097 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account I think @7's theory is the closest to reality. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481085/#p481085 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account I reported him for that reason about a week ago but nothing was done URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481083/#p481083 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account @1, good job, good job! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481076/#p481076 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account I believe the intention of the first poster was not to excuse himself for the harm done but to attract attention to all banned folks that they can use tor to register as many accounts as they want. Grab your popcorn, settle confortably because more and more drama is going to unfold. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/481063/#p481063 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account from what I have saw in the past on here or other places I find people with the username with audiogamer with a number usally causes a lot of problems. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/480949/#p480949 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I have a multiple account Moderation:Correction. You had a multiple account. it has now been banned. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/480931/#p480931 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I have a multiple account
Re: I have a multiple account @Simba, nice Lion King reference.Now...Moderation!@Audiogamer1000 I'm taking this right to the staff list, so I am sure some sort of decision will be made soon enough. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/480904/#p480904 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I have a multiple account
Re: I have a multiple account I knew it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/480898/#p480898 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I have a multiple account
Re: I have a multiple account I bet he'll come back soon and say his friend was being a poopoo head and posted that on his account. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/480893/#p480893 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I have a multiple account
Re: I have a multiple account Hi.at 5 na, guess that's not worth the hastle, depending when the mods decide to step down here and mingle with the commoners, this shouldn't be that entertaining.greetings Moritz. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/480857/#p480857 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I have a multiple account
Re: I have a multiple account Should I dare get a popcorn delivery? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/480856/#p480856 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I have a multiple account
Re: I have a multiple account Hi.At Ogomez possibly he wanted to tell us all that he can simply use tor all the time and that noone could ever stop him creating accounts.Greetings Moritz. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/480855/#p480855 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I have a multiple account
Re: I have a multiple account what is your point?you know that by posting this you'll most likely get banned, so why do you post it?Are you that dumb or do you just want to get banned another time? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/480851/#p480851 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I have a multiple account
Re: I have a multiple account Well, confirms my statement on elten about you then. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/480835/#p480835 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
