Re: It's time to try something new
Re: It's time to try something new @Vulcan and @JayJay, URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/609449/#p609449 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: It's time to try something new Yeah vulcan, lets learn the arawakan languages also. Lets also learn haitian creole. Hell, lets attempt to learn 12.5% of all the languages in Africa, and 12.5% across India. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/609425/#p609425 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: It's time to try something new
Re: It's time to try something new Instead of Chinese and French lets learn Navaho or Comanchi URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/609418/#p609418 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: It's time to try something new
Re: It's time to try something new Who would want to learn french. That shit is entirely too hard. So is chinese though. Hmmm. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/609415/#p609415 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: It's time to try something new
2021-01-24
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : r-d-productions via Audiogames-reflector
Re: It's time to try something new @59, well said, @andy_the_blindy, just grow up dude, no one said that open-sourcing was bad. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/609407/#p609407 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: It's time to try something new
2021-01-24
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : r-d-productions via Audiogames-reflector
Re: It's time to try something new @59, well said, @andy_the_blindy, just grow up dude, no one sid that open-sourcing was bad. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/609407/#p609407 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: It's time to try something new
Re: It's time to try something new Yeah, fuck the Chinese, with your hard-as-fuck language and "your shitty way of talking". A friend's words, not mine. Let's all go learn French cause that's wy easier, with your silent letters strewn all about the place like toys in my bedroom when I was 5. Also completely not made to be taken seriously, if I need to say that.Nah man, I was in the golden zone when you start playing when it was still SBP, rack up a sht ton of points, then take out all your knowledge on the newbies who had the misfortune of joining the game when it was unbalanced. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/609393/#p609393 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: It's time to try something new @57That was the fun of Bloodstorm for me. You'd just have to try and not give up, as annoying as it was. To beat the other players you had to come up with some pretty creative ideas. Or something else not so creative, if you were to choose that.@59They'd learn French, of course!LOL URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/609388/#p609388 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: It's time to try something new
Re: It's time to try something new Okay, yikes man.andy_the_blindy wrote:@47 what was that?@48 i am not a only bgt dev, I also use python. But how ever i don't have this mindset that bgt neads to be destructed and burn in hell. I am just mad cause you kick a concept that provided us good things. Wordpress, NVDA, Firefox and Thunderbird, Chromium, putty, youtube-dl. Should i continue? You are literarely talking a concept bad which powers a lot of todays software these days, and as i mentioned, these people have clones as well, but there they deal better with it.Imagine we would be siting in a river. Let's visit the sighted river first. O, a clone. It sinks down and down and down and down and down and suddenly it drowns. Now visit the blind community river. It will be as good as in sighted landia, isn't it? No? O, i see. But here it swimms, beeing held above water by clone haters that even if they hate it so much give it oxygen to breathe by writing awesome insult posts and sweare words. The typical clone hater would think that this has any effect, instead it just keeps the topic on the list and drags us into situations like this.See? You pretent open sourcing is a bad idea, how ever it in fact isn't. Also see my before points. And bay the way, why should i get a warning? Cuz i mentioned pants?Sorry man, but the truth is, just by saying this stuff, "BGT needs to burn in hell", "BGT needs to drown", "BGT needs to (insert goes here)", you're just making people who haven't even started or have barely even learned how to use BGT, want to continue learning it. The fact that you are ranting your ass out like that will only cause problems.It's true that BGT isn't a good language. Especially in the networking field. I can totally agree that BGT is an old and untrustworthy language. I've only just started learning PodSixNet and I've found out that things differ greatly in how BGT and PodSixNet do their networking strategies. I'm slowly beginning to grasp it but it is clear that I still have a lot of learning to do.But my main point is, you can't force people to switch languages by preaching the downsides of BGT. People who still want to learn or are still using BGT (like me) will eventually move on on our own. It's not something that you can come up to a BGT user and start worshipping other languages and expect them to switch.Think about it this way. Let's use an analogy to further emphasize my point here.Everyone in one neighborhood is speaking Chinese.Another neighborhood starts talking trash about Chinese, criticizing the language in any way possible, and starts telling the Chinese speakers to switch to their language, French.Are the Chinese speakers going to be like, okay. Sure, all right everyone. Off we go, lets learn some French! Or are they going to continue speaking the language they are comfortable with. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/609319/#p609319 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: It's time to try something new
Re: It's time to try something new @54 BGT needs to die in hell. it is just a bad programing language. I would encurage people to learn phthon as you are going to be able to do a lot more with python. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/609037/#p609037 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: It's time to try something new @56: i agree. It's actually sad to see Rotu go, since I actually became quite adicted to it, weird as that may sound. As for blood storm. I just straight up hated that game. Do you know how hard it was to kill someone when you were a newbie? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/608957/#p608957 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: It's time to try something new I mean, open sourcing isn't necessarily bad, although in this case it probably wouldn't be the best thing. I really would like to play the game again though, but if nobody's developing it what's the point? Also I didn't like it too much, at least Bloodstorm, in the state it was in when it was shut down. ROTU was fine, but Bloodstorm... Yikes. There'd have to be a lot of changes for that thing to be near as good as it used to be. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/608933/#p608933 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: It's time to try something new
2021-01-22
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : GrannyCheeseWheel via Audiogames-reflector
Re: It's time to try something new Not true. You're making illogical leaps which aren't helping your case. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/608762/#p608762 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: It's time to try something new
2021-01-22
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : andy_the_blindy via Audiogames-reflector
Re: It's time to try something new @51 What is your definition off insult?@53 I am still coding in bgt. Not mainly thoug. And yes, they where saying open sourcing is bad. And btw, i will tell you something. You can also open source something without classifying it as learning materials. Wait, some one told me you can even say in this readme that it should not be used to learn? In my opinion an open sourcing has almost only upsides, for you it more seams like you want to see these down. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/608752/#p608752 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: It's time to try something new
2021-01-21
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : GrannyCheeseWheel via Audiogames-reflector
Re: It's time to try something new @50 It seems like you're too emotionally connected to open source software for it to be doing you any real bit of good, considering that you are blowing this whole thing out of proportion. Who said open source was a bad thing? No one, that's who. We're just expressing concern about a certain developer releasing code as open source and indicating that it's learning material when it's really messy code which encourages bad programming practices.You're the only one I see engaging in the behavior you're describing in your posts. I guess your username checks out, huh. I guess you feel attacked because you're still programming in BGT. OK, fair enough I suppose, since I personally dislike the language, and there are a number of us who think it should stop being used, including, if I might add, the developer of the language himself. So if you want to sit there pouting in a corner, go ahead, but it won't do you much good here. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/608585/#p608585 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: It's time to try something new Oh to ruffle someones feathers, and this time nobody even said anything to bad to set him off. Anyways lets just all see what mr Tunmi comes out with in the future. If indeed art is his forte, then a building game will be the one that improves his dev skills by a billion. As for the pants mentioner, the blindy? isn't that kind of an insult to yourself and by extention everyone on here? Each to his own I guess. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/608556/#p608556 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: It's time to try something new
Re: It's time to try something new @50. You're the only one who came in here started tassing insults left right and centre so I don't get your point period. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/608544/#p608544 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: It's time to try something new
2021-01-21
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : andy_the_blindy via Audiogames-reflector
Re: It's time to try something new @47 what was that?@48 i am not a only bgt dev, I also use python. But how ever i don't have this mindset that bgt neads to be destructed and burn in hell. I am just mad cause you kick a concept that provided us good things. Wordpress, NVDA, Firefox and Thunderbird, Chromium, putty, youtube-dl. Should i continue? You are literarely talking a concept bad which powers a lot of todays software these days, and as i mentioned, these people have clones as well, but there they deal better with it.Imagine we would be siting in a river. Let's visit the sighted river first. O, a clone. It sinks down and down and down and down and down and suddenly it drowns. Now visit the blind community river. It will be as good as in sighted landia, isn't it? No? O, i see. But here it swimms, beeing held above water by clone haters that even if they hate it so much give it oxygen to breathe by writing awesome insult posts and sweare words. The typical clone hater would think that this has any effect, instead it just keeps the topic on the list and drags us into situations like this.See? You pretent open sourcing is a bad idea, how ever it in fact isn't. Also see my before points. And bay the way, why should i get a warning? Cuz i mentioned pants? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/608532/#p608532 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: It's time to try something new
2021-01-21
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : GrannyCheeseWheel via Audiogames-reflector
Re: It's time to try something new @46 are you 13? Because no one is going to trust anything you put out if that's how you act. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/608530/#p608530 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: It's time to try something new yeah, Agreed with @47, I mean i kinda understand this from a only bgt dev which i were before and i understand where are you coming from wanting more resources, Not going to tell you that it's better to learn a new language because i know that bothering will be a waste of time, Let you find it out by your self.Also, Good job, Probebly you got your first warning in the forum by any admin/mod coming. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/608527/#p608527 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: It's time to try something new @46, just saying, your behaviour and reaction to people in this topic doesn't paint a beautiful picture for you as a dev URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/608508/#p608508 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: It's time to try something new
2021-01-21
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : andy_the_blindy via Audiogames-reflector
Re: It's time to try something new @42 and @43 bra now i am mad. Yes that would happen, but you called only 1 upside, and some downsides you called are not true cuz they are based of toxicity which is ignorable, which is then the task of the hoster of the version. So could you please stop pulling false arguments out of your pants? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/608488/#p608488 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: It's time to try something new @42 and 43, I agree with all of your point, Except for one, We really don't have really good bgt developers, Even if we have, They won't really bother with it because they have much importint stuff to do than messing with something that is not werfe italso, Check your private messages. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/608482/#p608482 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: It's time to try something new My friend Conner, who doesn't have an account here, also wanted to add this."Leaving this game open source, not only would there be so many versions, the blind comunity will consider the version they don't like as a clone. regardliss of who coded it or whether it's a clone or not." URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/608476/#p608476 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: It's time to try something new @1 to be oneste. i'm really happy that you said your working on a building game, we have to much fighting games imo. and they never ever end well. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/608477/#p608477 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: It's time to try something new While open-sourcing would have it's upsides, it'd also have plenty of downsides.1. Upside: Maybe, just maybe, someone who knows what they're doing when it comes to BGT will actually improve the project and create something really nice out of it. Maybe remove all the unneeded features from Bloodstorm and as far as ROTU goes fix the small things that weren't quite right with it.2. Downside: Most people who code either aren't really good at it or are just too lazy to mess with it and actually do something worth doing with it. So, we'd have all these people with the source and 99 percent of them wouldn't know what to do with it.3. Downside: For the people who actually know how to code in BGT, it could become a problem among them of who's Bloodstorm has what. For example, one person's version could have really nice weapons while the other would have a new really cool item. This would most likely start some kind of war between the two people and we certainly don't need that.4. Downside: This would just lead to a bunch of criticism for both Mohamed and Tunmi, as they both worked really hard on the project and there's lots of people who really like to pick at every little issue that exists. That's another thing we really don't need. This isn't really a number, but keep in mind that we don't want to end up with the same issues that Bloodstorm and ROTU had from a new developer. It was bad enough with Tunmi and Mohamed. We really don't need that happening again. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/608472/#p608472 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: It's time to try something new
2021-01-21
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : andy_the_blindy via Audiogames-reflector
Re: It's time to try something new @401. Every code has some commons that are not broken, otherwise it wont run. Sound pool or positions, speaking, networking, all that nice things. Imargine now masonasons would have hesitaed like this, i would not be here today as i am now.wanted to do a quote but i am to stupit.Regarding other downsides, every thing has downsides. But I am just a really positive person, and if the community finally behaves apropriate and let's the clones sinc, this would all stop. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/608466/#p608466 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: It's time to try something new
Re: It's time to try something new @39You won't understand this because from what i understand... You just want to play the thing or/see new updates, But the thing is... I were one of developers that used one of things tunmi wants to open source, Which is bloodstorm, And i know that code well, It's vary, Vary, Vary messy and no one should learn from it, It will just teach you bad programing and you will think that what are you doing is ok till it's too late, So that's why i am really not recommending this to be open sourced, Sure, People may improve this, But again, Down sides are much damaging in that case more than what good sides it has. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/608445/#p608445 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: It's time to try something new
2021-01-21
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : andy_the_blindy via Audiogames-reflector
Re: It's time to try something new I was always a big fan of open source. And for me, even broken code helps.1. Every code has some commons that are not broken, otherwise it wont run. Sound pool or positions, speaking, networking, all that nice things. Imargine now masonasons would have hesitaed like this, i would not be here today as i am now.2. People could play the games. I mean I unfortunatly never managed playing either Bloodstorm or Revenge Of the Undead, but i listened to recordings. Even the posts suggest you dont think, you have made nice work. Why should it be lost for ever?@38 You make me kind off mad, bro. You are drawing the devil on the wall. You make it seam like open sourcing is a monster that ruins peoples lives and only causes bad. I dont get that kind off thinking. Also forking and cloning are 2 different things. And ya know this cloning, if i understandit right, also happens in sighted community. How ever there it is not such a big deal, cause these clones sink down and just noone gives a bullshit.short edit: taken a brif look at clone toppics here. So why the hell if you hate them all so much, you keep pushing their topic to sometimes over fuckin hundret posts? That makes no sense at all to me. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/608419/#p608419 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: It's time to try something new
2021-01-21
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : andy_the_blindy via Audiogames-reflector
Re: It's time to try something new I was always a big fan of open source. And for me, even broken code helps.1. Every code has some commons that are not broken, otherwise it wont run. Sound pool or positions, speaking, networking, all that nice things. Imargine now masonasons would have hesitaed like this, i would not be here today as i am now.2. People could play the games. I mean I unfortunatly never managed playing either Bloodstorm or Revenge Of the Undead, but i listened to recordings. Even the posts suggest you dont think, you have made nice work. Why should it be lost for ever?@38 You make me kind off mad, bro. You are drawing the devil on the wall. You make it seam like open sourcing is a monster that ruins peoples lives and only causes bad. I dont get that kind off thinking. Also forking and cloning are 2 different things. And ya know this cloning, if i understandit right, also happens in sighted community. How ever there it is not such a big deal, cause these clones sink down and just noone gives a bullshit. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/608419/#p608419 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: It's time to try something new
2021-01-21
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : andy_the_blindy via Audiogames-reflector
Re: It's time to try something new I was always a big fan of open source. And for me, even broken code helps.1. Every code has some commons that are not broken, otherwise it wont run. Sound pool or positions, speaking, networking, all that nice things. Imargine now masonasons would have hesitaed like this, i would not be here today as i am now.2. People could play the games. I mean I unfortunatly never managed playing either Bloodstorm or Revenge Of the Undead, but i listened to recordings. Even the posts suggest you dont think, you have made nice work. Why should it be lost for ever?@38 You make me kind off mad, bro. You are drawing the devil on the wall. You make it seam like open sourcing is a monster that ruins peoples lives and only causes bad. I dont get that kind off thinking. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/608419/#p608419 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: It's time to try something new yes, let's open source some bgt games, more specifically, one that has traded hands several times. It's definitely not going to be forked, cloned, whatever term you want to use. It will teach people in this community that they shouldn't clone things or...you get the idea. It's already a big enough issue, don't make it bigger. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/608256/#p608256 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: It's time to try something new
Re: It's time to try something new yes, let's open source some bgt games, more specifically, one that has traded hands several times. It's definitely not going to be forked, cloned, whatever turn you want to use. It will teach people in this community that they shouldn't clone things or...you get the idea. It's already a big enough issue, don't make it bigger. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/608256/#p608256 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: It's time to try something new And he wants to offer messy code because why? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/608203/#p608203 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: It's time to try something new
2021-01-20
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : GrannyCheeseWheel via Audiogames-reflector
Re: It's time to try something new It's messy, I remember from shooter xt when he open sourced it for one version. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/608196/#p608196 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: It's time to try something new
Re: It's time to try something new I don't know BGT, although I've heard Tunmi's code is messy. He admitted himself that it was. You wouldn't want to learn from messy code how to code, you'd just end up coding way messier and things wouldn't work out too well. Also, BGT was discontinued a long time ago and people should move away from it for that reason especially. Things aren't up to date in the language, and although BGT can create online games that doesn't mean it should continue to do so. We should move to Python, as it's a mainstream language used by all sorts of people, sighted or blind, and the documentation for BGT versus Python I'm sure isn't even in the same ballpark. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/608191/#p608191 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: It's time to try something new 33, sure, however I think him putting a label on it that its meant for learning is extremely more descructive and damaging to newbies coming along and saying that oh, well its for learning, so I can look at it, yadayada, than him saying, that its only meant for people who want a little toy to have fun with their friends, and it is not to be used under any sercumstance to teach. Period. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/608177/#p608177 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: It's time to try something new @JayJayPeople aren't going to make that distinction though. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/608172/#p608172 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: It's time to try something new
2021-01-20
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : GrannyCheeseWheel via Audiogames-reflector
Re: It's time to try something new Was thinking same but didn't say but yes agreed. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/608168/#p608168 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: It's time to try something new Not to be mean or anything, but anyone who wants Tunmi's games to be released for people to learn has to be a complete I don't know what. Its pretty established that his code is a mess. I don't think we want future devs to follow down his path of development. The reason why folks like stasp and I are advocating opensourcing it is for those who are able to look at it and fool around with it, not to learn from it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/608163/#p608163 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: It's time to try something new it's called you learn what you are doing with python before you even begin to look into making a multiplayer game. If you can't make your game, forget even getting a multiplayer version to work. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/608158/#p608158 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: It's time to try something new oh @27i do hate bgt, so much!but if he open source, we can get a rough idea on how things are implemented. this is help full for those who know python but don't know how every one usually make a multiplayer game. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/608090/#p608090 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: It's time to try something new LMAO matthew, theirs actually a sandwich where ketchup might be allowed with peanut butter. Their are places that serve peanut butter burgers. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/608087/#p608087 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: It's time to try something new please don't open source bgt. Most of the community has become strong enough to move away from it, including yours truely. Bgt teaches extremely bad habits, pushes people into a deeper comfort zone than they originally started with, and it sets this community back even more instead of advancing it. I mean, look at what happened when you started doing online projects in bgt. Your mental space started getting fucked up. Bgt does things to you mentally, whether you want to admit that or not.Python is a huge step up from bgt, and it doesn't take long to get started.You would be doing the community a favor by encouraging them to learn python and get out of their comfort zone. It's not just your reputation that makes you a role model, but the things that you encourage and the willingness to be brave out of your comfort zone that strengthens it much more as well. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/608035/#p608035 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: It's time to try something new
Re: It's time to try something new please don't open source bgt. Most of the community has become strong enough to move away from it, including yours truely. Bgt teaches extremely bad habits, pushes people into a deeper comfort zone than they originally started with, and it sets this community back even more instead of advancing it. I mean, look at what happened when you started doing online projects in bgt. Your mental space starting getting fucked up. Bgt does things to you mentally, whether you want to admit that or not.Python is a huge step up from bgt, but it doesn't take long to get started.You would be doing the community a favor by encouraging them to learn python and get out of their comfort zone. It's not just your reputation that makes you a role model, but the things that you encourage and the willingness to be brave out of your comfort zone that strengthens it much more as well. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/608035/#p608035 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: It's time to try something new
Re: It's time to try something new please don't open source bgt. Most of the community has become strong enough to move away from it, including yours truely. Bgt teaches extremely bad habits, pushes people into a deeper comfort zone than they originally started with, and it sets this community back even more instead of advancing it. Python is a huge step up from bgt, but it doesn't take long to get started.You would be doing the community a favor by encouraging them to learn python and get out of their comfort zone. It's not just your reputation that makes you a role model, but the things that you encourage and the willingness to be brave out of your comfort zone that strengthens it much more as well. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/608035/#p608035 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: It's time to try something new
Re: It's time to try something new tunmi, good desition. you can give your weapon classes etc. you can open source them. it's a great resourcee for those who din't make an online game at all. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/608012/#p608012 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: It's time to try something new @24 sums it up so beautifully and simply URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/607992/#p607992 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: It's time to try something new Well, here's my opinion.Yes, while open-sourcing is a decent idea, there'd be lots of issues and probably would only lead to Tunmi getting more criticism from people who either think or actually know BGT better than him. Really wish I could play the SBP with the M16, MM9, old cannon, and the glider again though. I'd pay to play that thing again. If he wants to open source it that's fine with me, and I certainly hope someone would edit and make it into something like what we used to have. Or maybe take it in a completely different direction? Bloodstorm, SBP, they were both simple and fun, and the way BS ended was this sort of weird thing that took what it used to be and turned it to something different, yet left the shell of it there. I guess a good way of describing it would be making a peanut butter sandwich but then adding ketchup. If you like ketchup on your peanut butter sandwiches that's kind of weird, but I think you'll still get what I'm trying to say here.If he decides not to open-source it, that's fine with me as well. Sure, I'll miss it a lot, but it's OK. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/607982/#p607982 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: It's time to try something new @19 let them. Let the little kiddos fight their way, and ignroe them. Problem are not these children, they don't mostly think what they're doing, but problem is how we handle the thing by pushing it.@22 why not? First it would be a great learning resource, and as others pointed out they are not just the cloner children. And id even go so far as saying these are the minotizy. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/607964/#p607964 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: It's time to try something new I might just give out classes from the projects I abandoned, but its likely I will not give out the entire thing. For example, perhaps a serverside weapon class, or a serverside player class. If you know what I mean. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/607957/#p607957 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: It's time to try something new @19, what you're describing sounds an awful lot like capitalism. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/607736/#p607736 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: It's time to try something new @19 To be honest, I see this kind of behaviour happen with people who want others to play their forks of the game.People are going to bash at Tunmi even when he doesn't open source it, so more problems then he has right now is a bit of a false statement, all though I see quite a few people bashing at him for an unstable code base, ETC.I've told Mohamed this many times, I'm not sure if I told it to Tunmi, but ignore negative criticism, and focus on the constructive one.And as he him self said, maybe more experienced devs will take a look at it and do something productive with it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/607720/#p607720 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: It's time to try something new If they do become open source, you will have more problems then people care to admit. their will be dick and pussy wars stating that my rodu is more fun, it has more features then yours, my bloodstorm is like the old but its better then yours, even though yours has mysiles and rocket launchers. Hey come to silaks roud it has controlable undead, no come to stasps, it has an actual machine gun and you can track specific undead. No, come to Vulcan's bloodstorm it has the glider back. Not that i can program mind you, just an example. Then we will be where we were with tk, redspot, and al that other bull. I don't believe every abandoned project has to become open source just because the players want it to live on. If something is put to rest multiple times like bs was, then it should stay down. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/607710/#p607710 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: It's time to try something new one of the options? yeshis best option? maybe, and maybe not.its up to him URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/607700/#p607700 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: It's time to try something new @Tunmi We've been telling this to Mohamed about 5 months back to open source bloodstorm when he wanted to shut it down, but he didn't want to do so.I've seen you have a GitHub account now, so imo if you aren't going to support these projects any more, your best decision is to open source them. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/607699/#p607699 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: It's time to try something new OP, I don't know you and to be honest, I haven't played your games. But one thing I strongly agree with that you wrote is that people often think they can try to analyze and speculate about others' decisions and behaviors. I have a philosophy in life, let each person do as they please. As long as they're not bringing harm onto others or being bullies, I am perfectly fine accepting people's decisions. do I agree with all of them? Of course not all of them. But I'm not going to sit here and type out an essay-long post about how so-and-so is mad because some ancient psychologist or other wrote a treatise on theoretical something or other which points to the fact that the decisions you are making is bad. lol Just expand that sort of analytical thinking mindset, and all of a sudden, you have a forum that is no longer fun and which people will not want to frequent anymore. But to be fair, this is not the only community by far that does this. All in all, I personally don't care about the drama and other such things going on here. I'm generally just glad a forum like this one exists. And I'll continue to comment and post about things that interest me. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/607694/#p607694 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: It's time to try something new I've opened 10 more spaces for beta testers. There are now a total of 35 spots open, with 26 already filled, leaving about 9 more spaces. If you would like to grab a space let me know via e-mail, as I will not be giving the link out here. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/607693/#p607693 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: It's time to try something new
Re: It's time to try something new Hi.Well my biggest thing about bloodstorm was while I could get reasonably high leveled it stopped becoming fun especially when you introduced the needing to sur vive with eating and drinking.For myself I use games to escape from my life.Life isn't bad, but even before covid it grinds on.I want to have fun, and either blast away and chat without doing much.Rotu previded me that in a better way than bloodstorm ever did.I was able to chat, blast, shoot a few, but I could appear, and lerk chatting for a little, and go on from there.I will miss that though this month and half of next will be the only months of this year I will get.If this works out, and as long as there is no issue I will be on various roadtrips about the country for the next 2.5 months approx.After that, I have an interesting group contract lined up, one which will net me close to 300 bucks when all done.So I am figuring out that june this year will be when I next am able to play with anything even close.As to opensourcing games, yeah, bgt I like bgt for what it is but as well as the virus thing, its really not being updated and using older technologies.Python is the next thing to push for as a basic and even that can have its issues.However nvda is a great reason python is a good idea. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/607692/#p607692 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: It's time to try something new Hello.@Tunmi, that's a great move. That way, you'll be able to focus more on a single project. You are a programmer with very high potential. All the best to you man. We should not target the developers, we should just criticize a game not for the sake for it, but for the improvement of any game. Now I'm able to see why we don't have many devs right now. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/607688/#p607688 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: It's time to try something new
Re: It's time to try something new Hello.@Tunmi, that's a great move. That way, you'll be able to focus more on a single project. You are a programmer with very high potential. All the best to you man. We should not target the developers, we should just criticize a game not for the sake for it, so that it improves any game. Now I'm able to see why we don't have many devs right now. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/607688/#p607688 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: It's time to try something new
Re: It's time to try something new Hello.@Tunmi, that's a great move. That way, you'll be able to focus more on a single project. You are a programmer with very high potential. All the best to you man. Guess I won't be saying anything else because it already has been said in the other topic. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/607688/#p607688 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: It's time to try something new
Re: It's time to try something new well, i can say only... good job, and remember. do what you know it's going to work, not what people say, life is yours and if we have to do whatever a comunity say well... don't lett me finish the phrase, you know where i'm going.anywhay, hope that golden crayon comes out, and i guess it's going to be awesome! also, could i help out betatesting? i'm growing sik of playing muds cause there's nothing new... URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/607676/#p607676 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: It's time to try something new Seems like a good move to me. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/607642/#p607642 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: It's time to try something new
Re: It's time to try something new yeah, at both 8 and 9 correct, you do what you love and what you want, not what others expect from you URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/607636/#p607636 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: It's time to try something new
2021-01-17
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : ashleygrobler04 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: It's time to try something new Ok, tunmi.Do what you love to do and are capable of doing.Then it will all work out fine at the end of the day. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/607621/#p607621 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: It's time to try something new
Re: It's time to try something new Its for the best. Both for you and your projects. Give your love to one you care about and can keep supporting. wish you the best of luck. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/607546/#p607546 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: It's time to try something new @6i didn't say don't open source anything, I just said, Don't open source online bgt games, Other than that, The comunity would be super fine, Or hell maybe even open source bgt online games but not games of this stile. And i didn't force him to do so, I just said, *A tip*. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/607545/#p607545 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: It's time to try something new @3 disagre, open sourcing leads the community forvard. I mean it could be kloand but you can not kill all open source community just cause wague possibility. I think it's not this but you would have a different problem about that, but wont go deeper. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/607542/#p607542 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: It's time to try something new correct, that's what would i do if i were in your place, and i fully support your decision, that's a step ahead in the right direction, and i fully agree on some of the points you made a remark about on your post, i just like you to know that i understand th situation..good luck, and have a nice day, because you deserve it URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/607529/#p607529 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: It's time to try something new based on what i read about you tunmi, i'm actualy shocked. and yeah i wana help beta test the game aswell if i can URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/607525/#p607525 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: It's time to try something new
Re: It's time to try something new @1, Not going to reply only at 1 thing, Open sourcing a online bgt game is really, Really, Really not a good idea, Don't do it, Just a small tip. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/607521/#p607521 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: It's time to try something new Are you taking beta testers for the game? I'd like to help you URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/607513/#p607513 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
It's time to try something new
It's time to try something new Hi all.I knew this topic was not going to fit in BS returns, or the ROTU topic, so I thought I might just make a new thread and spill it all out here.Now sit tight, this is going to be a long post. I know that some of the decisions here are not going to be taken by everyone, but I believe its time I do this from a different approach.I'm going to be honest with some things. I've thought long and hard about this, and I would like to post this on civil terms.First off, the following projects are going away. And the reason is I've discovered that I don't have the ability to support them. It's evident in how I'm being treated by the community, by some of my friends who are very mature and have been trying to talk to me, its evident in the quote on quote, massive lag in the games that I am having a hard time managing.Revenge of the Undead. This was a very hard one. It had a lot of unique ideas, but sadly it is obvious that I can't maintain it. I will make something clear, fighting games were never really my style. I've always been a fan of artwork. Building, designing, sketching. I don't know how to make a balanced machinegun, a kick-ass shotgun, a solid rifle, I'm not and will probably never be good at that. Especially since it is quite obvious that newbies have no match against the people that end up with these kick-ass weapons, and it is also very obvious that some of these things I introduce are very unbalanced.Bloodstorm, unfortunately, is also another game I had to decide to set aside, for these exact same reasons.Now is where I come to my final decision.I'm going to put my efforts into things I am capable of. And Golden Crayon is one of those things, its probably one of my most stable projects right now, if I'm being honest. And lets be honest, my projects aren't stable. That's something I'm very aware of.Now, I'd like to make some other things clear.When I say that I don't want a game posted to this forum, its not because I'm scared of criticism. It's because I'm scared of the things it will do not only to my life as a developer, but to me as a person. Just by hosting projects on this community, I've unlocked a lot of sides to my personality that I didn't even realize I had and wish I hadn't unlocked. Because some of the things people say here, especially on a forum such as this, it always gets to you. It's the reason why people have and will continue to dislike this forum. It's full of drama, it sets people off, and it gives off a very bad vibe. People here love to think they know everything that is inside your head. They love to think that they know every reason you are doing something. For example, and I quote someone, they thought I was avoiding this forum because I didn't want to receive criticism. How would you know? Are you inside my head?Now I'm prepared for the people who will get angry with me for making these decisions. But I believe they are good ones. I need to quit thinking that I know how things work and stick to what I do know. Golden Crayon is in its beta stages right now, its a 3D building game that seems to be doing fine right now, but maybe feedback and some constructive criticism can make it even better.And who knows. Maybe after some heavy thinking I might make ROTU and Bloodstorm open-source, and better developers out there can fix it and make it even better than what it is right now. But for now, its obvious that I cannot continue to support the violent genre of fighting games. I'm going to try the genre I am familiar with. Artwork. And I hope it goes well.Anyways, I've got a lot on my mind. So I'll sign off by saying that hopefully some forgiveness can come from this community. Not for the things that I did only, but also for the things I've received in return, the amount of backlash I've gotten, and most of all, the amount of reputational damage. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/607504/#p607504 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
