Re: Screen readers that are not popular?
Re: Screen readers that are not popular? @defender: Totally agree. It looks like Microsoft is really trying now. What with the new accessibility learning documentation, to Minecraft. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/537148/#p537148 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Screen readers that are not popular? Thankes deffender, and guys for giving me those responses! I really don't know what really happened with WindowEyes, if their source exists to remade it open source (but beware of the competition), and as of Thunder? I'm afraid it has been discontinued I think?About Jaws/ZoomText/Fusion? I really know, the higher price, but not higher as my new glasses that I'm going to acquire, and I really don't know in which country I've purchased a dongle!Ray Vision... I really don't know, but it's translation to Spanish is not that good...Narrator well sometimes I use it, but it has a problem when I'm using sapi5 eloquence all sentences instead of ending with a period ends with a comma, the same happened with Shine Plus. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/537069/#p537069 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Screen readers that are not popular? I once was also tried webanywhere thing. It's kinda cool at the time, but sadly the project has been discontinued some years ago. WHen I tried the thing, it uses a voice from Ivona which I don't remember the name. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/537055/#p537055 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Screen readers that are not popular? I've always found this subject interesting, but didn't have the patients for setting it all up.I would be interested to see your pros and cons for each one Electro!Anyone else that wants to explain more about less common screen readers would be cool to hear from as well.My self, I just read through the latest full documentation for Narrator (I know that's not that uncommon) but I was surprised at how advanced it's become, even compared to what I knew already.Document summaries, elements lists, web graphics analyzing, a way to see where a link goes before clicking it, on the fly volume and rate controls, comprehensive table navigation, relatively customizable verbosity and fine grained speak command keys settings, wide braille display support, audio ducking, a keystroke for submitting feedback instantly, EtC.It's still lacking in some basic areas, but it could certainly get there. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/537031/#p537031 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Screen readers that are not popular? There used to be something called WebAnywhere I think. I used it once and thought it was kind of neat. Interesting fact, I learned to use the computer by using SaToGo, which was free at the time and worked surprisingly well with the con being that you had to have Internet Explorer running. Gosh that thing was my best friend up until NVDA matured a bit! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/537022/#p537022 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Screen readers that are not popular?
Re: Screen readers that are not popular? System Access:http://mysero.net/help/sa/, is indeed in no way a Narrator clone (as ya can read its help pages by clicking on the link above.)For the free System Access To Go screen reader (Internet Explorer required to run it without a screen reader running), seehttps://satogo.com/NB. If there is no internet connection after 8 minutes, SA To Go will shut down.To either purchase or try SA Stand-Alone in 20 minute demo mode (similar to how OutSpoken on the Macintosh was back in the day), seehttp://www.serotek.com/downloadsSerotek has official TTS licenses for:1. Eloquence 2. Real Speak3. Neo Speech4. Ivona(Yes, "that" Ivona.)DecTalk and ESpeak are built-in, along with SAPI4/five voices that are on your PC.They still have System Access Mobile as well (if ya use USB U3 pin drives still.)I can say for sure, more Microsoft and Chromium based products work better with SA, than Mozilla based products.Whatever ya do... If ya are gonna use Twitter with System Access, TW Blue is your best shot for now. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/537021/#p537021 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Screen readers that are not popular? Yes due to it not being updated anymore it is going to be a total mess on the newest updates obviously. My guess was that AI Squared decided that they didn't have what it took to update the product for windows 10 and beyond. It's a shame though because the original makers of it would have kept it going for life until they weren't able to. It also turns out that Doug and Dan and the gang at Ex GWmicro didn't have anything to do with the sell out of it by VFO and it turns out they were taken for a ride, and somebody from there commented that it was a sad day for them to have to leave the office for the last time. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/536920/#p536920 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Screen readers that are not popular? I’ve tried window is out on windows 10 and it is a total mess. I wouldn’t recommend it to use it on the newest windows 10 update. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/536893/#p536893 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Screen readers that are not popular? Don’t call me stupid, but isn’t system access in narrator the same? Maybe I’m wrong though. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/536891/#p536891 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Screen readers that are not popular? the worst, not popular, screen reader, in android world, is ray vision. , and second thing, f no, i'm not gonna pay for more voices URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/536872/#p536872 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Screen readers that are not popular? Hello. Vispero only has FS, Optelec, the PTG, and AI Squared and that's it URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/536870/#p536870 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Screen readers that are not popular? Hi.well in germany we had Cobra for a while.If memory surves me right, It started out with Blindows by audio data back in the 90s. When they went bust or were close to, they were required by Baum Retek which then produced Wirgo, which was around till mid 2000s. This thing then turned into Cobra till Baum went bust some years ago.All manufacturing rights, copyright, repairing of products and what not got transfered over to Visio Braille who now support almost all the Baum products that are around. Cobra though is not among those things, I do wonder what happened to it's sourcecode, wouldn't wonder if Vispero possibly bought it and now it's put somewhere where noone will find it again.Some people use Cobra up to this day, but as you can imagine, it's not working great together with Windows 10.Greetings Moritz. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/536865/#p536865 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Screen readers that are not popular? @queenslight, I'd be amused to see someone try and use the dam thing on Windows 10 1909, and only this as a screen reader. Tried installing it on my old comp, and literally every button in the installer was unlabeled to NVDA. That kinda sucks, since Firefox does happen to be my web browser of choice. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/536859/#p536859 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Screen readers that are not popular? @darkSupernova is now at version 19.3.Yes, at least it works with Chrome based browsers now. Can't say if it does using Firefox. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/536840/#p536840 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Screen readers that are not popular? I totally agree with you. I found GW Micro's licensing system better to JAWS. As in, you could put it on as many computers and it would install without any authorization and you just had a username and a serial number to worry about. There was no home versus pro licences, Remote Desktop support, citric was built in and so on and so forth. They even allowed you to purchase over time. I believe that had agencies gone with Window-Eyes instead of JAWS, it would have been easier for staff at the agencies to deal with and agencies would have been better off due to open scripting and open licensing and yes it did have a contract that would have ensured they had enough business for a long long time. I wonder if the staffers at those agencies that use JAWS have a huge moral problem with cost and licensing model of it? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/536804/#p536804 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Screen readers that are not popular? BlindJedi,Re the TDSR question, it will work with any shell, since it's just a Pythons script.Concerning Window-eyes, I always preferred it to Jaws, and wish it were still around if only because it was my first screen reader and worked quite well, in some situations where Jaws was confusing. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/536799/#p536799 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Screen readers that are not popular? 26, if you live anywhere near the oxfordshire area it wouldn't surprise me if that was indeed the case. It was given to me by the council at the time, and taken back when I no longer need it for school. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/536792/#p536792 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Screen readers that are not popular? @haily_merry, I believe I even got your old laptop when you went to secondary school. It still had Stupidnova/Poopernova on Windows 7 and it was the first screen reader I was ever taught to use. The only problem was, the people training me, while having the best intentions) were utter shit at teaching me effective ways to navigate and, you know, get the most out of a computer. What I really, really, really hated was when Supernova would announce toolbars as one item. I was never taught how to get around this because my teachers just didn't have a clue or maybe even though I too stupid to comprehend such magical stuff. If only they could look at me now. I'll be hacking the White House soon!What aggravates me the most though, and I simply can't believe this, they had tried out a previous screen reader before Supernova which used the eSpeak synth. What Windows screen readers do you know came bundled with eSpeak around the time? I'm beyond furious now that I come to think of it! They switched to Poopernova, just because the previous looked to complicated and they didn't like the default fucking voice?! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/536776/#p536776 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Screen readers that are not popular?
Re: Screen readers that are not popular? @haily_merry, I believe I even got your old laptop when you went to secondary school. It still had Stupidnova/Poopernova on Windows 7 and it was the first screen reader I was ever taught to use. The only problem was, the people training me, while having the best intentions) were utter shit at teaching me effective ways to navigate and, you know, get the most out of a computer. What I really, really, really hated was when Supernova would announce toolbars as one item. I was never taught how to get around this because my teachers just didn't have a clue or maybe even though I too stupid to comprehend such magical stuff. If only they could look at me now. I'll be hacking the White House soon!What aggravates me the most though, and I simply can't believe this, they had tried out a previous screen reader before Supernova which used the eSpeak synth. What Windows screen readers do you know came bundled with eSpeak around the time? I'm beyond furious now that I come to think of it! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/536776/#p536776 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Screen readers that are not popular? 18, no I mean TDSR, the mac screen reader developed to work specifically inside terminal. Supposedly its better than voiceover though I've yet to try it, and so far I've had no issues writing python in terminal with voiceover, so perhaps its just personal preference? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/536770/#p536770 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Screen readers that are not popular? Hello. I have to agree with you here. The same goes in Canada as well. Its quite sad really, as competition should have been a good thing in this market, but it really is not. Over the last 25 years, Competition has been all about litigation and exclusive agreements, and not on features, performance, and quality. I must also say that this is partly why FS keeps the stranglehold on the market. Because FS knows that they command the market, control the market in accessibility, they can treat customers anyways they want to, and they can even raise their prices. Still I agree with folks that the more options and choices you have, even if its lesser known the better. As for the Narrator comment, I agree that Narrator has certainly improved. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/536747/#p536747 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Screen readers that are not popular? My nightmare was the Jaws screen reader. That 40 minute demo, insain cost, regular crashes, i started to think that i wouldn't be able to use computer in any reliable way back then. Now when i look back, That PC had it's fair share in the bad experiance. Dell PCs came with crazy bloatware back then. Not sure what's the situation now. But Jaws, it is bad in my opinion, but, objectively speaking, it's good to have options.Also, when i said that noone used these screen-readers these days, that was intended in a general sence. Non of the centers and offices where i go to, none of my friends have these screen readers. It's mostly Jaws and NVDA that i come accross. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/536731/#p536731 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Screen readers that are not popular? Yeah, that was quite possibly the only actually good thing it did. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/536722/#p536722 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Screen readers that are not popular? Hi.Yeah Thunder was bad, it has an interesting thing where when you when down a line it would play a lower tone and going up would play a higher one, but that's all I can really say about it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/536712/#p536712 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Screen readers that are not popular? Thunder. Oh man fucking Thunder. I used it for a little while back in, I think 2011 / 2012? I still have nightmares about that thing.I also used SA to go for a while back in 2015, then again in 2017 for a few months. Thing really wasn't bad for what it was back then, well apart from obviously being web based and at the time, possibly still, requiring IE in order to work. Not sure how it holds up these days, should really give it another go.I actually used hal back in 2009 all the way up to 2014 when I finished primary school. At that point I was moved over to supernova by my secondary school because school machine and such. The two screen readers are basically the same thing minus all the extras like magnification and such supernova includes. I herd they renamed their entire thing to access sweet not too long ago, what's up with that? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/536708/#p536708 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Screen readers that are not popular? As queenslight said, Dolphin originally had Hal as the screen reader, Luna as the magnifyer, and supernova as screen reader with magnification, however then around version 11 they for some reason decided to rename everything supernova, and also sell supernova screen reader as one package also including magnification. Sadly, though, their version 16, which was supposed to have windows 10 support was just not up to the job, even for basic things like windows mail, or heck supporting chrome. Chrome support was apparently added in version 17, and I think they're probably on to 18 by now, but I was so disheartened that the screen reader which in the xp days would be able to cope with most readable text things by default had now devolved to basically just working with those bits of the operating system dolphin decided to work with, and supporting those programs they chose to support, I'm not really interested in paying for the version upgrades to find out, I'd rather donate to NVDA instead. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/536701/#p536701 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Screen readers that are not popular?
Re: Screen readers that are not popular? As queenslight said, Dolphin originally had Hal as the screen reader, Luna as the magnifyer, and supernova as screen reader with magnification, however then around version 11 they for some reason decided to rename everything supernova, and also sell supernova screen reader as one package also including magnification. Sadly, though, their version 16, which was supposed to have windows 10 support was just not up to the job, even for basic things like windows mail, or heck supporting chrome. Chrome support was apparently added in version 17, and I think they're probably on to 18 by now, but I was so disheartened that the screen reader which in the xp days would be able to cope with most readable text things by default had now devolved to basically just working with those bits of the operating system dolphin decided to work with, I'm not really interested in paying for the version upgrades to find out, I'd rather donate to NVDA instead. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/536701/#p536701 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Screen readers that are not popular? @PatrykK, Well no! Hence why Cobra isn't being further developed!@BlindJedi, Never thought I'd see so many screen readers in one place. I *believe* Sunshine was an old Android screen reader, though I may be thinking of Spiel or Shine Plus instead. By the way, do you mean ZDSR (the Chinese screen reader for Windows)? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/536685/#p536685 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Screen readers that are not popular? Thunder is garbage.Or at least, it was garbage when I gave it a go 3 or so years ago, and I don't think its been updated in any recent days, so it'll probably always remain that way.Someone mentioned tdsr on here, I haven't got that going yet, but I'd like to. Got a question though, if its not inappropriate of me to be asking in such a topic as this, but will I need bash 5 to run it? Tyler has not included any info on that in the readme on his github page and apple still ship bash 3 even on the new macs such as my 2019 mac book pro.Sunshine is another mac screen reader, isn't it? Am I remembering that correctly?Oh, and one folks have not mentioned yet as far as I'm aware is system access, also pretty crap if I recall, though I hardly used it so thats up for debate, lol.Edit: forgot theres also orka and SSH for linnex (sorry about bad spelling) though one could argue that orka at least is pretty popular for raspberry pie users, ssh probably less so though, no? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/536663/#p536663 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Screen readers that are not popular?
Re: Screen readers that are not popular? Thunder is garbage.Or at least, it was garbage when I gave it a go 3 or so years ago, and I don't think its been updated in any recent days, so it'll probably always remain that way.Someone mentioned tdsr on here, I haven't got that going yet, but I'd like to. Got a question though, if its not inappropriate of me to be asking in such a topic as this, but will I need bash 5 to run it? Tyler has not included any info on that in the readme on his github page and apple still ship bash 3 even on the new macs such as my 2019 mac book pro.Sunshine is another mac screen reader, isn't it? Am I remembering that correctly?Oh, and one folks have not mentioned yet as far as I'm aware is system access, also pretty crap if I recall, though I hardly used it so thats up for debate, lol. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/536663/#p536663 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Screen readers that are not popular? Hi. I downloaded the thunder screen reader, but it is out dated. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/536650/#p536650 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Screen readers that are not popular?
Re: Screen readers that are not popular? Supernova Reader, is what Hal was originally called.Lunar Magnifier, is the old name for Supernova Magnifier.System Access To Go:http://satogo.com, still does exists, also in general, is the only screen reader which has Dectalk now. As for Thunder Screen Reader?https://www.webbie.org.uk/thunder/, is where to find it these days.Yep? there are many loyal Window-Eyes users around:http://lists.window-eyes.com/pipermail/ … -eyes.com/ URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/536633/#p536633 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Screen readers that are not popular?
Re: Screen readers that are not popular? Supernova Reader, is what Hal was originally called.Lunar Magnifier, is the old name for Supernova Magnifier.System Access To Go:http://satogo.com, still does exists, also is the only screen reader which has Dectalk now.As for Thunder Scren Reader?https://www.webbie.org.uk/thunder/, is where to find it these days. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/536633/#p536633 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Screen readers that are not popular?
Re: Screen readers that are not popular? Supernova Reader, is what Hal was originally called.Lunar Magnifier, is the old name for Supernova Magnifier.System Acess To Go:http://satogo.com, still does exists, also is the only screen reader which has Dectalk now. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/536633/#p536633 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Screen readers that are not popular? @Dark, If you happen to have a Windows 10 machine lying around, I'd definitely recommend updating to the latest version checking out what Narrator has to offer. It really has come a long way from its beginning. At this point, it's not unbearable to use for most things such as word processing and web browsing though its scan mode could use a tiny bit of work in my opinion.There's also Hal. Not sure if that's a synth or a screen reader but I do believe it was developed by Dolphin, same as Supernova. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/536614/#p536614 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Screen readers that are not popular? I once used a windows screen reader called wind vision in the late nineties, but I suspect that is long since lost to history. I also once hearing of a screen reader called Thunder, but again, I never tried it. Back in the day, the big three were always jaws, window eyes, and system access, with supernova lurking around in fourth place, but with Jaws buying out window eyes and then discontinuing development to move everyone over to the jaws empire, and Supernova being really less effective on Windows 10, and still worse, not caring that they were less efective on windows 10, I'm not sure how long others will survive, considering that NVDA is free and better than many of the commercial screen readers, and apparently Narrator is now much improved from what it was. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/536604/#p536604 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Screen readers that are not popular?
Re: Screen readers that are not popular? I once used a windows screen reader called wind vision in the late nineties, but I suspect that is long since lost to history. I also once hearing of a screen reader called Thunder, but again, I never tried it. Back in the day, the big three were always jaws, window eyes, and system access, with supernova lurking around in fourth place, but with Jaws buying out window eyes and then discontinuing development to move everyone over to the jaws empire, and Supernova being really less effective on Windows 10, and still worse, not caring that they were less efective on windows 10, I'm not sure how long others will survive, considering that NVDA is free, and apparently Narrator is now much improved from what it was. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/536604/#p536604 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Screen readers that are not popular? cobra doesn't exist anymore URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/536596/#p536596 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Screen readers that are not popular? @Gaki_shonen: I believe grossgang hosts some sort of version. Whether it's completely legal, I'm not sure, and I don't even think it works under a Windows 10 install, but there you go.Also, what is SA2Go? I generally know what SA is, but is SA2Go some sort of portable version that can be placed on a memory stick or something? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/536595/#p536595 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Screen readers that are not popular? I actually have s A to go installed on this comp.never tryed window-eyesbecause of it not being supported, is it free now? can I get A download link to test it? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/536593/#p536593 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Screen readers that are not popular? and, SA to go still does have a lot of users and window-eyes truly did have many users as well. If you want proof, go look up their mailing lists and you will find list messages from the members that used the former product. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/536495/#p536495 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Screen readers that are not popular? Sadly, due to JAWS having the strangle-hold other less popular products will always struggle due to the stranglehold of fs URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/536493/#p536493 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Screen readers that are not popular? Yeah, I know about that screen reader. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/536491/#p536491 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Screen readers that are not popular? chromevox is one also. you can get it for the chromebook and google chrome. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/536044/#p536044 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Screen readers that are not popular? @MyDearWatson, Ah yes! I completely forgot about SA and Window Eyes, which are both abandoned. I'm not sure how you'd find this, but try out Vocalizer's Indian voices. You could also listen to Google TTS's Indian voices if you wanted completely free ones. Other TTS voice manufacturers such as Akapela or Ivona may also have something of note. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/536035/#p536035 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Screen readers that are not popular? I am not in to trying out weird screen-readers, but all of the government of India websights have this Screen-Readers page where these 2 screen readers have been mentioned and I've never heard about them. After a bit of research, I think these are outdated projects and aren't used by anyone.Safa: http://safa.sourceforge.net/System Access To Go: https://www.satogo.com/en/Anyways, since NVDA's Hindi and other Indian languages voice sucks, it would be very helpful if anyone decides to revive or come up with a good sounding free TTS for these languages. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/536026/#p536026 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Screen readers that are not popular? Yeah, @Nuno summed it up well. I don't know of anything else that's currently working or being actively developed. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/536009/#p536009 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Screen readers that are not popular? Cobra in Germany, PCTalker in Japan. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/536005/#p536005 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Screen readers that are not popular?
Screen readers that are not popular? Hello guys,I really don't know if that's the correct title for this topic, but since I'm testing what I call (Local screen readers) like ZDSR, Sunshine, Gieshuo and the like, and besides "popular screen readers" like NVDA, JAWS, SuperNova, VoiceOver, TalkBack etc, I'm just going to ask: Are there more local screen readers? I mean, are there more screen readers developed in different countries but are not known to us?I really hope fore some responses or answers, since I want to get more information about them, and since that I don't know if there's new screen readers released 1 or more years ago... URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/535989/#p535989 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
