Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade Just imagine carrying a USB keyboard, a decent external speaker, an orbit reader 20, and their respective wires on top of the tablet itself. If I want braille, I'll grab a note taker. If I want budget friendliness, I grab a more high spec tablet, with a keyboard dock, and charge the 2 at once, and the tablet then folds in the keyboard. Perhaps it won't get me that out of $100, but at least I don't need external speakers, or a full sized keyboard, so I gain back some portability there. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/415424/#p415424 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade That's great that it's budget-friendly, but that doesn't change the fact you're cobbling multiple things together. It is great to have all that in one device to cut down on battery drainage. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/415379/#p415379 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade I just got an windows 10 home 32bit 2gigs ram 32gb ssd with 128gb micro sd card, RCA cambio tablet with intel atom z8350 processor. It's my touch screen tablet, and when i wish, dock it to its small netbook type of keyboard and its a note-taker, plug in a powered USB hub and desktop keyboard and its a full laptop. pair it with the orbit reader20 and jaws and i get full braille output and input and control over the detachable tablet with the orbit's braille keyboard. right now the tablet is $119 on amazon. works great. is real fast and quick, plays most audio games just fine especially when connected to a full USB keyboard and some good speakers through its headphone jack. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/415320/#p415320 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade HIMS's android implumentation is an absolute joke. My polaris is sitting here collecting dust, more or less. I just can't find a use for it. As far as I'm aware, and I pray to be wrong, there isn't a way to perform tripple tap, or double tap and hold using the keyboard. Even when on kitkat, the touch probably had more native android experience. Though I'd give the touch a while before buying one, the previous generation wasn't liked by many, Humanware's always been great at advertisement. But yeah, forget the polaris, at least as it stands. And now that Humanware's updated, unless HIMS updates the OS on the polaris, expect a new polaris next year, which means previous generations won't be updated. The fact is, note takers can no longer keep up. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/415146/#p415146 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade If you're getting any unit through a grant, get the Touch. Seriously. You'll be a lot happier with one. Besides, the Polaris is still on Lolypop, and does not tap into Android's full potential. The Touch Plus will. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/415027/#p415027 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade In mm opinion, the Braillenote Touch Plus is better. You still have a Braille keyboard, it's just a part of the actual device itself. The case it comes in has a keyboard built into it, which allows you to choose whether you want to type on a screen on with a regular keyboard. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/415020/#p415020 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade So I'm possibly able to get one of these due to a grant, would you guys recommend this over the polaris? I've never used a humanware product before, and the idea of not having a braille keyboard makes me fear typing will be slower. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/415018/#p415018 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade From what little I've experience I have had the the Orbit Reader 20, the cell refresh rate is reallly bad. I would rather pay more for something that I know I won't have issues with, rather than paying less for something that will not suit my needs. But to each their own, I guess. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/414554/#p414554 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade the braille cells in my orbit reader 20 devices, in both of them, because i own two of them... are very very reliable. i was told if they added a faster processor, that would speed up the micromotor braille cells, then all cells would refresh at the same time just like in a piezoelectric display. i also read all issues with the braille me display sold by national braille press have been worked out and fixed, so that display is another low cost braille option. and the lowest priced embosser on the market is now the, braille buddy embosser, by irie-at, selling for $1495. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/414549/#p414549 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade I will just stick with my reliable orbit reader 20 displays, along with my $105 RCA cambio windows10 laptop tablet hybrid. now they just gotta fix braille blaster's bugs so it works propperly on 32bit windows for when i get my braille buddy braille embosser. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/414548/#p414548 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade Oriol, Humanware is keeping their eye out for cheaper braille technology such as what was exhibited in the orbit 20, but has decided to wait till that technology actually matures. Meanwhile they have to stick to some decade-old, expensive to maintain yet tried and true, mature braille cells for the time being. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/413041/#p413041 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade 55, Thanks for the clarification, that actually sounds pretty neat. Again, though, I'm probably stuck with this wonderful polaris for a while. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/413029/#p413029 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade yes there is both. The micro SD card that goes under the battery if you decide to put one there expands what the device designates as internal storage. Then there is the standard SD slot on the back that you can put any card that is in a readable format into and backup, copy, ETC to or from. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/412992/#p412992 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade So basically we get both a micro, and a standard SD slot, or just a micro? I'm confused. as for on screen keyboards, I love braille screen input. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/412886/#p412886 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade Bah! When I read 5600 dollars, I stopped reading. Not like I was gonna get it anyway, but these high prices make me cringe! That's even more expensive than a macbook pro 15 inch with the best upgrades! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/412874/#p412874 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade Plus I've never seen any redeemable qualities of an onscreen keyboard anyway. I absolutely hate it, especially without Flicktype. I'm all for the extra gadgets to make things easier (the tap wearable keyboard, for example). If you're inclined to use qwerty, remember that you can use a USB or Bluetooth keyboard, or even a USB 2.4ghz dongle for a wireless keyboard (my Korsair k63 works with my Android in that way.) URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/412870/#p412870 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade You will still have access to the full-sized sd card slot.Also, yeah, talkback might not work as well as one may think. At least on the current Touch. That being said, remember that Keysoft is a heavily expanded, customized talkback apk.Technically, so is Easy Reader Plus. Dolphin collaborated with Humanware on that one, to add in more features and make it more braille display friendly (you still have most of your braille keyboard shortcuts from Victor Reader Soft.) So no, they didn't just put in another app in a hurry, this is a fully featured daisy reader that isn't clumsy in the least. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/412869/#p412869 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade No, they are replaceing the sd card that goes under the battery with 64 gb of solid state storage and a micro sd slot for expanding the storage about where the main storage card is on a standard touch. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/412859/#p412859 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade post 21. I wasn't aware of the history of KNG, thanks for that. However, the apex, according to it's registry, uses eloquence 6.1, and that, I find to be worse than what the mPower had over all.post 36. Nothing prevents you from firing up talkback, disabling keysoft, and using google's on screen keyboard to type. I mean, I haven't tried it, don't have a touch, but can't see why it wouldn't work.44. Does this mean the regular full SD slot is removed entirely? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/412846/#p412846 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade Yeah. There is no throttling at all. This is it. And I'm told it's getting Pie soon after everyone else gets it.If you recently had your braillenote purchased for you, I would seriously get in touch with whoever it was that bought it as they may qualify for a steeper discount than what is normally offered. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/411915/#p411915 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade Woot woot, I can get it from Vocational Rehabilitation. Right now, the Touch I have is one from my school, so I'll be giving this back at the end of the year. Thanks for letting me know! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/411918/#p411918 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade Yeah. There is no throttling at all. This it. And I'm told it's getting Pi soon after everyone else gets it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/411915/#p411915 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade We will say this though. IF you are a brand new user and are looking at a Touch from your organization, the org cannot screw you over and get you the old Touch to save a few bills; there are none left. The brand new Touch Plus is taking over the stock. So you will be guaranteed a new Touch Plus if they are giving you a Touch. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/411917/#p411917 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade Alright folks, some more info follows on the braillenote touch plus.21mp camera: knfb reader is probably going to be unbelievable on this thing.Goodbye Victor Reader Soft, hello Dolphin Easy Reader!It was a cool concept to have a media reader interoperable with their victor platform, but they would've had to port all of those other features like downloading books themselves. Why reinvent the wheel when they're already is one that may just need some optimization? Dolphin Easy Reader, optimized some for the Touch, does all that and then some, and now you can download your books straight from the app and read them with no more clumsy interaction!Google-Assistant ready (yes, it is the real deal.)64gb of solid state storage, but it can be expanded with a micro sd card! The micro sd card slot is in the battery cavity, I'd say around where the sd card slot used to be. The micro sd card will be formatted as ext4, which is why they warn you that once it's in, it's going all in (of course I had to point out, unless you're a linux user or happen to have the extFS system driver, which is also true.) Micro sd could be perfect for your gps maps or something, i.e non-dynamic information that isn't apps. Obviously you can store apps on there if you are that inclined to, but remember that if the card goes, then the apps go right along with it, so it's better to store other media on the micro sd card. Besides, the micro sd card will inevitably be slower than the flash. Now I wonder if they'll have a move to sd app for their backup utility?Also, the volume buttons are no longer a rocker, they are actual buttons. And...if you are playing feer, or using some other Android self-voicing app, the way to turn off Keysoft is to simply use the good old volume key shortcut, hold down both volume buttons for 3 seconds and Keysoft is off, and you will stay inside your application.You should see this thing start up in less than 30 seconds, no joke. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/411910/#p411910 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade Wow...j wow. Man, mine takes like a minute and 30 seconds, and I think I'm being generous. That's a huge difference. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/411913/#p411913 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade Alright folks, some more info follows on the braillenote touch plus.21mp camera: knfb reader is probably going to be unbelievable on this thing.Goodbye Victor Reader Soft, hello Dolphin Easy Reader!It was a cool concept to have a media reader interoperable with their victor platform, but they would've had to port all of those other features like downloading books themselves. Why reinvent the wheel when they're already is one that may just need some optimization? Dolphin Easy Reader, optimized some for the Touch, does all that and then some, and now you can download your books straight from the app and read them with no more clumsy interaction!Google-Assistant ready (yes, it is the real deal.)64gb of solid state storage, but it can be expanded with a micro sd card! The micro sd card slot is in the battery cavity, I'd say around where the sd card slot used to be. The micro sd card will be formatted as ext4, which is why they warn you that once it's in, it's going all in (of course I had to point out, unless you're a linux user or happen to have the extFS system driver, which is also true.) Micro sd could be perfect for your gps maps or something, i.e non-dynamic information that isn't apps. Obviously you can store apps on there if you are that inclined to, but remember that if the card goes, then the apps go right along with it, so it's better to store other media on the micro sd card. Besides, the micro sd card will inevitably be slower than the flash. Now I wonder if they'll have a move to sd app for their backup utility?Also, the volume buttons are no longer a rocker, they are actual buttons. And...if you are playing feer, or using some other Android self-voicing app, the way to turn off Keysoft is to simply use the good old volume key shortcut, hold down both volume buttons for 3 seconds and Keysfoft is off, and you will stay inside your application.You should see this thing start up in less than 30 seconds, no joke. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/411910/#p411910 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade Alright folks, some more info follows on the braillenote touch plus.21mp camera: knfb reader is probably going to be unbelievable on this thing.Goodbye Victor Reader Soft, hello Dolphin Easy Reader!It was a cool concept to have a media reader interoperable with their victor platform, but they would've had to port all of those other features like downloading books themselves. Why reinvent the wheel when they're already is one that may just need some optimization? Dolphin Easy Reader, optimized some for the Touch, does all that and then some, and now you can download your books straight from the app and read them with no more clumsy interaction!Google-Assistant ready (yes, it is the real deal.)64gb of solid state storage, but it can be expanded with a micro sd card! The micro sd card slot is in the battery cavity, I'd say around where the sd card slot used to be. The micro sd card will be formatted as ext4, which is why they warn you that once it's in, it's going all in (of course I had to point out, unless you're a linux user or happen to have the extFS system driver, which is also true.) Micro sd could be perfect for your gps maps or something, i.e non-dynamic information that isn't apps. Obviously you can store apps on there if you are that inclined to, but remember that if the card goes, then the apps go right along with it, so it's better to store other media on the micro sd card. Besides, the micro sd card will inevitably be slower than the flash. Now I wonder if they'll have a move to sd app for their backup utility?You should see this thing start up in less than 30 seconds, no joke. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/411910/#p411910 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade The current Braille Note touch does look more interesting now, but it fills a niche for sure. It is not a device for everyone, partly because of the price. It is clearly a device that you will know if you truly need it, and for the rest of us, it is too pricey for what we would get. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/411580/#p411580 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade I am sure once the technology becomes more mainstream they will have the opportunity to develop it further. With Braille-me sort of being the international respin to this thing, it's only a matter of time. APH is primarily a U.S based company and I haven't heard much talk to them internationally. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/411093/#p411093 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade THE issue with the Orbit Reader is the slow refresh rate. If they somehow found a way to bring down the price without losing quality, that would be great. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/411076/#p411076 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade Once braille displays come with a 2.4ghz dongle like my Korsair K63 does, eliminating the Bluetooth connection, the stand-alone braille display may pass for a stable connection. Until then, Bluetooth is still very buggy, and not everyone is on the new USB hid interface. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/411069/#p411069 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade Chris, elBraille is not all it seems. It's supposed to be a computer with a braille display, but unlike the pacmate, Jaws does not come with it, only a blasted 40 minute demo. That's right. The assistive device you spent all that good money on and VFO makes you pay full price for Jaws. Might as well run nvda on the blasted thing, but too bad Libluis is a bit more limited. And also, the Braillenote Touch does have up to par hardware. The Snapdragon820 is what powered the Google Nexus6p and possibly the original Google Pixel. That thing could still power a tablet like a champ. The chips themselves are not artificially throttled like IOS software may have been. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/411068/#p411068 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade Until the price of these devices comes down and they can match the hardware for modern devices, it's not worth it to spend thousands of dollars. Buy yourself an Orbit Reader or Braille Me and an iOS or Android device, and you're good to go for under $1000. Purchase something like the GPD Win for $400 plus an Orbit and you've got the ElBraille with better hardware and at a significantly cheaper price. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/411056/#p411056 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade Urh, I've gotten plenty fast with the lift to press style of touch qwerty my self. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/411053/#p411053 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade Onscreen keyboard is a bad typing experience due to touch typing. On a phone, I would rather use my tap wearable keyboard, or the mechanical. On the touch, a braille keyboard is the best there can be, and keep in mind you are perfectly able to use a usb or bluetoooth qwerty keyboard with it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/411051/#p411051 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade I only used the one I had through my high school for KNFB reader, and I now have that on my phone, but this version of android, at least on Samsung devices, isn't as bad as others I've tried. I just wish, since it does use a mainstream operating system as its base, we should be allowed to use a regular onscreen keyboard, not just braille. That makes about as much sense as selling a laptop with no bottom half. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/411011/#p411011 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade Until things like the orbit reader 20 and the associating technology become more mainstream, there's not much benefit to buying a standard braille display if you're going for the high-end. Bluetooth and battery drain being the two primary reasons. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/411003/#p411003 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade @post 29: If you for whatever reason don't like a device, if the terms of your agency allow, i.e, if you actually own the device, you could sell it if you are inclined to. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/411000/#p411000 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade Braille displays themselves too can cost up to over 1 to 3 grand depending on how many cells there are. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/410997/#p410997 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade Braille displays themselves too can cost up to either 1 to 3 grand depending on how many cells there are. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/410997/#p410997 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade Because of the built in software, basically.Also the braille keyboard for those that prefer it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/410995/#p410995 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade Honest question, guys.Why would anybody in their right mind shell out over five grand for this piece of tech?If you really, really want a braille display, why not get a good tablet or laptop plus an external braille display and go that route? You'd get far, far better hardware specs and probably better performance, and if something fucked up, you'd have to fix only the component part rather than being in a truly cornered market.I feel like there's something stupidly obvious that I'm missing, so I'd appreciate it if someone could enlighten me here.Unless braille displays usually cost over four grand, that is? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/410984/#p410984 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade I don't want one to keep in case it isn't for me. I just want to try something for a few weeks or so. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/410979/#p410979 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade I think the monopolization of braille translation needs to be prevented overall, and needs to be made open source. Hardware patents I understand, but software patents are death to creative freedom. The whole legalization piece on software in general needs a complete reworking, someone said it right when they said that we shouldn't be reading outmoded paper-like legal documents for internet sites due to their vagueness. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/410893/#p410893 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade Only thing that is changed is there's a usbC port, so a possible difference in the casing there. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/410890/#p410890 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade Hi.@Dragomier, according to the Blind Bargains audio podcast on this unit (located I believe on post 12), what they do is disassemble the device, then they take the old components out and transplant the new ones into your old unit, because the outer shell of the device is unchanged between the new and the old units. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/410878/#p410878 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade The duxberry license probably is pretty damn high yeah.And yes at one point they did outsource to the Philippines, but that was like a decade ago when I had to call.If repair costs are such a concern, there is a problem, either with the shipper they use or the manufacturer they use, not all shippers treat packages like crap, but you do need to pay a bit extra. Almost certainly less than continuing repair costs though... URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/410872/#p410872 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade Jack, I have a question for you. You keep using the term "Cell transplant." Does this mean they're using the same display I have now? Or are they going to just take my old device, scrap it for spare parts and give me the +? It seems more cost efficient to do that rather than change out the cells and transferring them to my new one. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/410867/#p410867 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade Yeah, I hopeI can get one from vocational rehabilitation. I was going to reqzst a Touch anyway, so it came at the right time. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/410858/#p410858 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade As for your experience, I do kind of think it is a bit of bad luck. Manufacturing differences from country to country could also have a roll in that, plus the fact that, despite their claims of safe handling (even on priority shipping), most shipping companies treat packages like absolute shit. Ya think there's not enough padding in those delivery trucks? The effect on a braille display could be a kin to gently shaking an embosser up and down (don't try it, those pins are very sensitive.) URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/410853/#p410853 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade Actually, Keynote Gold was not entirely their own product. They, PulseData now Humanware after the merge with Visu-aide, did the hardware and software implementation of what was formerly a speech module under Berkley Speech Technologies (did you know that that original module had a female voice as well, and spoke Japanese?) L and H owned the rights to it until getting acquired by Nuance, and something tells me they don't give two shits about Keynote.As for Eloquence, Humanware stuck with the Eloquence used in early Jaws (4.0 to 4.2), and while I almost preferred the subtle difference in the speech pattern in that version, I could not stand the lag, so I always used Keynote because I liked the sound of it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/410851/#p410851 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade I do notice that the mPower dots do get weakened after a while, but they're not messy. my u2 had 3 moduals over 2 years of a warranty period. the 3rd modual is done as well, but I'm not spending almost £1500 on it just to get it fixed. my apex had faint dots after 6 months of having it, and it always did. had experience with 4 or so mPowers, each being battered by whoever had them at the time, never seen any display issues. maybe it's just me having bad experience with some of the newer displays, though. as for acapela and eloquence, I never quite understood why humanware's eloquence on windows CE was so horrible, always left it at KNG, which was even their own product, so was no additional charge. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/410827/#p410827 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade $12 is incredibly steep without at least offering a trial. I have nothing against apps being over $10 if they have to, but if there's no trial then...well at least Google offers a safer refund policy than Apple does if it doesn't turn out to work well. If it's $12 with no trial I'm expecting an exact touch braille replica in that case, because touch braille impresses me (I use it regularly.)As for the mPower's cells, I have a feeling this is a case of luck between units. My old mPower cells shows signs of aging when I had one. Didn't exactly break persay, but they definitely weren't what they used to be, in a very noticeable way. Surviving drops? My Touch has survived a few of those, accidentally of course, and they weren't outside the case, but it fell on the keyboard/braille side of the case.They don't outsource their phone support, I've seen them continue to use the same staff they've had for years plus some new folks who do a good job as well.As for the braille display costs, it's not just the manufacturing, it's also repair cost since that isn't gonna pay for itself, Acapela is a yearly contract cost for Humanware, of course on older units Eloquence was near constant royalties to Nuance. Duxbury, who is known for monopolistically expensive braille translation software, probably charges Humanware a sum still, due to the fact the Touch includes a duxbury sobmodule for contracted braille (libluis is not quite there yet.) Of course it kind of is now but it's rough around the edges, as exhibited by NVDA/Brailleback grade2 entry. Again, I think it's the media and various competitions not providing nearly enough support that so many research efforts either go under, or stagnate. The media covers it for like one or two articles before, quote, the novelty wares off. I'm not sure how much funding people get for winning hackathons, but I should think if a product is determined to be such a cult hit that it can't pay for itself, then an outstanding winning effort should be awarded what is estimated to be enough funding to bring a product to launch. Or at least a significant boost up the ladder for an indiegogo campaign, or what have you. It's why the orbit reader had so much problems during launch, because of manufacturing costs with such a new technology. Why the rumor of the Graphiti being halted is around, because there is said to be not enough funding. It's the price of doing business...in an unfriendly braille market, with only like two singular constant cell-manufacturers. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/410815/#p410815 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade $12 is incredibly steep without at least offering a trial. I have nothing against apps being over $10 if they have to, but if there's no trial then...well at least Google offers a safer refund policy than Apple does if it doesn't turn out to work well. If it's $12 with no trial I'm expecting an exact touch braille replica in that case, because touch braille impresses me (I use it regularly.)As for the mPower's cells, I have a feeling this is a case of luck between units. My old mPower cells shows signs of aging when I had one. Didn't exactly break persay, but they definitely weren't what they used to be, in a very noticeable way. Surviving drops? My Touch has survived a few of those, accidentally of course, and they weren't outside the case, but it fell on the keyboard/braille side of the case.They don't outsource their phone support, I've seen them continue to use the same staff they've had for years plus some new folks who do a good job as well.As for the braille display costs, it's not just the manufacturing, it's also repair cost since that isn't gonna pay for itself, Acapela is a yearly contract cost for Humanware, of course on older units Eloquence was near constant royalties to Nuance. Duxbury, who is known for monopolistically expensive braille translation software, probably charges Humanware a sum still, due to the fact the Touch includes a duxbury sobmodule for contracted braille (libluis is not quite there yet.) Of course it kind of is now but it's rough around the edges, as exhibited by NVDA/Brailleback grade2 entry. Again, I think it's the media and various competitions not providing nearly enough support that so many research efforts either go under, or stagnate. The media covers it for like one or two articles before, quote, the novelty wares off. I'm not sure how much funding people get for winning hackathons, but I should think if a product is determined to be such a cult hit that it can't pay for itself, then an outstanding winning effort should be awarded what is estimated to be enough funding to bring a product to launch. Or at least a significant boost up the ladder for an indiegogo campaign, or what have you. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/410815/#p410815 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade Okay so I'm a bit confused.You take the price of the display, add on 500 dollars for the tablet which is probably a bit generous, and then you add like a hundred bucks for the keyboard cover and 50 for the case.Where is the other two thirds coming from. Is licensing really that expensive? Because I can't imagine it topping a couple hundred per unit at most.I guess it's mainly development cost, paying the coders for their time making the custom software, and some of the custom parts like the braille keyboard and case are going to have a markup because they are such a tiny production run and have no use outside of this market.You also need to pay the employees who service units and those who answer the phones (though I think they outsource that part now) I don't know their internal numbers, how much profit they make per unit, how many units they sell ETC. They don't have a full corner on the market, but their name is well known to schools and accessibility organizations.I just don't know. But I feel like they might have expanded out of exclusive access tech if they were really rolling in dough. The fact that they haven't makes me think that their holding onto this niche they have for dear life and don't dare play in the mainstream.Also, we used to pay similar for much worse hardware than this, so at least we're getting something a bit closer to our money's worth now..On another note, I think it's very commendable that they offered discounts for those that bought the standard touch just before this came out, and that they are offering display only replacements. You'd never get that kind of consideration from a laptop manufacturer, at least not outside of an internal corporate supply chain. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/410787/#p410787 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade To the person wonderin about "Braille Screen Input" on Android, worry no more!https://play.google.com/store/apps/deta … k.keyboardUnlike the "Soft Braille Keyboard" which was poppular back in the day, Advanced Braille Keyboard also works with "Bluetooth" and "USB" Keyboards" via OTG adapter. I got to say, I myself like it!A lot of "customization" with it too! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/410801/#p410801 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade Okay so I'm a bit confused.You take the price of the display, add on 500 dollars for the tablet which is probably a bit generous, and then you add like a hundred bucks for the keyboard cover and 50 for the case.Where is the other two thirds coming from. Is licensing really that expensive? Because I can't imagine it topping a couple hundred per unit at most.I guess it's mainly development cost, paying the coders for their time making the custom software, and some of the custom parts like the braille keyboard and case are going to have a markup because they are such a tiny production run and have no use outside of this market.You also need to pay the employees who service units and those who answer the phones (though I think they outsource that part now) I don't know their internal numbers, how much profit they make per unit, how many units they sell ETC. They don't have a full corner on the market, but their name is well known to schools and accessibility organizations.I just don't know. But I feel like they might have expanded out of exclusive access tech if they were really rolling in dough. The fact that they haven't makes me think that their holding onto this niche they have for dear life and don't dare play in the mainstream.On another note, I think it's very commendable that they offered discounts for those that bought the standard touch just before this came out, and that they are offering display only replacements. You'd never get that kind of consideration from a laptop manufacturer, at least not outside of an internal corporate supply chain. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/410787/#p410787 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade Okay so I'm confused.You take the price of the display, add on 500 dollars for the tablet which is probably a bit generous, and then you add like a hundred bucks for the keyboard cover and 50 for the case.Where is the other two thirds coming from. Is licensing really that expensive? Because I can't imagine it topping a couple hundred per unit at most.I guess it's mainly development cost, paying the coders for their time making the custom software, and some of the custom parts like the braille keyboard and case are going to have a markup because they are such a tiny production run and have no use outside of this market.You also need to pay the employees who service units and those who answer the phones (though I think they outsource that part now) I don't know their internal numbers, how much profit they make per unit, how many units they sell ETC. They don't have a full corner on the market, but their name is well known to schools and accessibility organizations.I just don't know. But I feel like they might have expanded out of exclusive access tech if they were really rolling in dough. The fact that they haven't makes me think that their holding onto this niche they have for dear life and don't dare play in the mainstream. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/410787/#p410787 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade I'm currently with a polaris, and honestly, I barely use it. it's just, nothing works as you want it. android without a screen, or at least, with only keyboard as input method was a big mistake, HIMS.with all that said, the touch doesn't excite me at all. Weight has remained the same. never liked touch braille, always preferred braille screen input. still no built in keyboard by the sounds of it, so you'll have to keep the thing in the case if you want physical keys. with that said, I should see if I can get any trade in through my college funding services, the touch can only be better than what the polaris is currently. oh, and just to install half of the apps I have, I couldn't use play store, my device claims to be incompatible, so having to use aptoide. Also, Jack. Not to point fingers, but whatever one comes up with, you find a way to defend. yes, braille cells are expensive to reproduce. but if you've ever owned an apex or a u2, you will know that those braille cells get blown in a year's of heavy usage. compare that to an mPower, who's display moduals literally survive drops, why do we pay the same amount of money for less quality of cells? why was something even modified that used to work? I'd rather pay less given the quality isn't what it once was, anyway. I'm glad to hear they do the transfer of braille display, seem to remember that being done back in the mPower days, but it does leave you wonder. as for major android updates, I'll believe it when I see it. so far, no company has updated operating systems on their braille devices. HIMS also claimed it was possible to upgrade the polaris, but it never will be. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/410767/#p410767 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade @13: You might want to consider your states department of rehab services. Each state is different in how generous they are in ordering college student's own technology, but most should have some sort of official instructions and/or a statement saying it can't happen. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/410736/#p410736 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade I'm excited! I have an original touch, and I do need this upgrade, sorely. Mine is good, but it lags. Lots. And nothing works on it anymore.Also, an upgrade by 4 version numbers? WHAT? Yes! I'm not a tech wiz, but I'm just excited that stuff will actually WORK and that my charger won't constantly break... old Android chargers were HORRIBLE! And built in printing? Yes! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/410731/#p410731 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade It sucks that I'm not in high school anymore. It means I won't get to try it, and I really really really want to. That version of android is actually useful. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/410693/#p410693 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade An ATIA 2019 interview done by Blind Bargains has been posted to their site regarding the BrailleNote Touch Plus. Listen here.https://www.blindbargains.com/bargains.php?m=19958 URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/410395/#p410395 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade Make no mistake about it - the braille market is a tough market to dip your toes into. It's the reason so many new breakthroughs usually unfortunately fall through after their moment of glory, most of the time being the winner at a hackathon of some kind. Then there are just as many products that succeed but only years later. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/410246/#p410246 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade That does stink that they have to make the price higher just to even make a net profit. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/410239/#p410239 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade Lol, no one seems to get that braille costs money to manufacture, huh? And let's not forget the multi-touch touchscreen used, and everything else. Royalties to various software venders, and the like. And then warranty repair costs. And then a tiny fraction of that is actually profit, the rest is merely breaking even. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/410238/#p410238 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade 5,695 dollars mate, I could pay a masters degree somewhere with that amount of money. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/410235/#p410235 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade To be honest, I am super happy that this is getting upgraded. My big gripe with the Touch is that it lags a lot, and this should help a lot with the issues. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/410234/#p410234 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade Chris.1. Current Touch owners can get a cell transplant to the new upgraded unit for $1300. If their Touch was a more recent purchase, steeper discounts are available to the point where the upgrade may even be free. So $1300 is not a flat-rate unless you're an early adopter. And realize that a cell transplant basically means you're paying $1300 for what is not much different from a brand new unit, not a refurb.2. The Braillenote Touch development started 5 years ago, which would be three years before its actual launch. At the time, the Texas Instruments Omap4 was a common chipset, used in phones such as the galaxy nexus. Well, midway through, the chip was abandoned and would not have the technical ability to receive further updates. Not only would it not make financial sense to scrap the project and start all over, but at the time, Android lolypop and Marshmallow did not have a stable enough accessibility framework to facilitate a speech and braille interface. Braille also had to be done a lot more from the ground up as brailleback was in its infancy. So it made sense for them to stay on Kitkat at the time, meanwhile using later accessibility elements from later versions of Android as a catalyst. By the time the Braillenote Touch had been highly successful for the focus groups and the Android accessibility framework itself improved significantly, it was time for an upgrade. You need to remember that chipmakers generally do not disclose information about prices of their latest chipsets as they are usually bought in bulk by OEM's. That being said, there have been rumors that each dragonboard board is roughly $45 or so. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/410231/#p410231 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade What happens to the unfortunate folks who shelled out thousands of dollars for the previous Touch about two years ago? Will that be scrapped just like the Apex? Why didn't they do this in the first place? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/410226/#p410226 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade Com on Simba. Android Pi adoption is in the single digits, because Pixel is the exclusive flagship google phone, along with other android1 phones. Is that good? No. But a snapdragon820 is a very fast processor, it absolutely does not have to be the absolute latest and greatest. And also, not all Bluetooth audio devices are on 5.0 yet, nor will that happen anytime soon, till more widespread adoption of bluetooth 5 actually happens. Android Pi literally just came out four months ago by the way, and the Braillenote is likely to get updates more often now. Also, I can't stress enough that braille of this kind will never be cheap. Humanware said they would look into technologies exhibited in things like the orbit reader 20 once that technology actually stabilizes, but until then, they would rather stick to something tried and true for decades, also baring in mind that competition is almost nonexistent in the braille cell market because there really isn't even a braille cell market anyway. IT costs $80 to make and maintain each individual piezoelectric cell. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/410220/#p410220 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade Hi.Well great, they the oportunity of giving this thing a real bump, but instead we get hardware from 4 years ago with the snapdragon 820CPU, only bluetooth 4.2 and a minimal storage capacity, not to forget a 2 year old android system when the unit gets shipped.Personally, old technology for a to steap price.Greetings Moritz. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/410217/#p410217 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
Re: The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade I hope the polaris gets something similar. I personally prefer himms to humanware. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/410211/#p410211 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade
The BrailleNote Touch is Getting a Much Deserved Upgrade At the Assistive Technology Industry Association conference in Orlando, Florida, Humanware announced an upgrade to the BrailleNote Touch. The unit is called the BrailleNote Touch Plus, and it features an upgrade over it's older counterpart. It's available in 18 and 32-cell configurations.They feature the Snapdragon 820 (APQ8096) paired with a Quad-core Kryo 2.2 GHz 64-bit CPU.Memory is doubled from 2GB to 4GB, while internal storage also doubles to 64GB. The storage is now built-in to the unit as opposed to being on a removable memory card. The removable cards allowed users to move to a new unit if theirs was damaged by inserting the card, but Humanware says that a backup utility will be available. Other modern conveniences include Wi-Fi 802.11AC with both 2.4 and 5GHz support, Bluetooth 4.2, and USBC for charging. The size, weight, and battery appear to be largely unchanged.On the software side, the Touch Plus will run Android 8.1 Oreo out of the box, and be more likely to get updates to Android in the future because of the use of more mainstream parts. Android 8.1 also brings with it support for the Google Assistant, the Chrome web browser, and enhanced printing capabilities.The units are available for order now, with the 32-cell version available for $5,695 and the 18-cell going for $4,195. These are both a slight $200 bump over the original touch.Current Touch users can transplant their braille cells to a new model for $1,295. Users who recently purchased a BrailleNote Touch may be eligible to receive further discounts or a free upgrade.https://www.blindbargains.com/bargains.php?m=19950So, what are your thoughts? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/410209/#p410209 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
