Re: BrailleBack Now
Re: BrailleBack Now Hi,So I've tested out BrailleBack, and note, my device is still on Android 10. Now here's my question: Are there any more commands than the 17 showed in the keyboard help screen? If not... Off. They have a ways to go.Is there a comprehensive list of keystrokes? Cuz the ones I found are SUPER bare bones and only show like 10. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/580176/#p580176 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: BrailleBack Now
Re: BrailleBack Now @28 I do how ever do like a seprate volume level for TB and it works quite nice specially when playing back audio, and or other media types. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/572501/#p572501 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: BrailleBack Now
Re: BrailleBack Now Please don't give the argument you can fix it yourself, just don't. First, I don't receive any kind of compensation to do it, and let's face it, people who can fix source code of an Android app probably work on a full time job anyway and don't have a reason to fix something for a huge company which should just do it. What is the accessibility team paid for, waiting for people to fix their mistakes? Second and more important, Google won't accept a single pull request on those open source projects, both Talkback and brailleback. I am lazy to look at the sources right now, but I am 99 percent sure that the code for Brailleback on GitHub is out of date and not even the latest version. It's just there, it does not mean that you can submit patches to Google and fix things, many of which are wrong on a system level and need fixes in the Android itself. So before this makes you angry, go look at the Talkback code on GitHub, visit the closed pull requests section and see how nicely Google receives patches. We could not even get Talkback to properly be a part of AOSP so that it works on custom roms, even though one of the developers of Lineage wanted to help us fix the bug that Talkback can't be enabled on their setup wizard, it's useless if we can't get any support from Google to do so. So, I don't want to imagine working on some huge patches to Talkback, submitting them, and being ignored or told sorry, we don't accept pull requests here, goodbye. Thanks for nothing. I imagine there might be a slight brailleback exception, and you should be able to at least add a support for a new display since the readme talks about this, but who knows. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/572428/#p572428 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: BrailleBack Now
Re: BrailleBack Now @28 firstly, allow me to say, it's good to see someone not bashing Android just because they either tried it a long time ago or never. I use Braille, but not a lot, I mean, I have a little hearing loss in my right ear, but not enough to justify speech not being an option. Plus, all the displays I've ever used have been supported. But honestly what makes me more angry is when people, some of which I know know how to help update Braille back (https://github.com/google/brailleback), just sit there and bitch about it. Please don't bitch if you're not going to even try to fix it and you know how to fix it. You, as far as I know, don't, but it still angers me as yeah, Google might not be the best at Braille support. But I still don't agree it's complete crap. iOS still does outdo it, though.@27 fair enough. I almost always use an external keyboard, so I wouldn't know. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/572423/#p572423 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: BrailleBack Now
Re: BrailleBack Now @devin: woops, looks like we post almost at the same time. fare enough, I accept your explanation. thank you btw.I apologize for my tone on that post. my bad. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/572318/#p572318 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: BrailleBack Now
Re: BrailleBack Now webview navigation is something that I agree could be improve, as for me though, as long as I could navigate by headings and links it's all good, since I mainly use my phone's internet browser to read news etc, I never really do some serious things with it, if I'll do in the future though, I may as well just use Bluetooth keyboard to boost productivity. the last IOS I used is 12 and I notice a huge amount of lag to the point it freezes my phone when navigating in a few large webpages. I hope it's already fixed though. I mean why having that much control to navigate when you have to wait like 2 seconds per-input?I admit I miss a few things from IOS though yes, mainly the neat arrangement of things on the screen so I could easily find whatever I want. and oh the notification too, I hate this cluddered screen that android has.Back on my post, I am not defending anyone and try to be neutral as much as I can between this two sides, yes I apologize if the post is not any related to the braileback, but I couldn't help myself to not saying anything against that kind of post since almost (not all) topics that discuss about android have this kind of poster which basically says "hahahahehehe android is sucks, dude, android accessibility is a crap, dude, android doesn't have this and that, dude, meh? android? can you do this just like on my iPhone?" or whatever post with condescending-ish tone. what I do not agree with with this poster though, how they just ran away and do not read the respond as I state before. look, I don't mind if the poster explains in detail his or her point and has equal experience with both OS.Edit: since devin already explains his point so I slightly pulled what I said above, but still please if any of you would like to bash something, at least provide some details, just saying. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/572317/#p572317 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: BrailleBack Now
Re: BrailleBack Now woops, looks like we post almost at the same time. fare enough, I accept your explanation. thank you btw. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/572318/#p572318 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: BrailleBack Now
Re: BrailleBack Now webview navigation is something that I agree could be improve, as for me though, as long as I could navigate by headings and links it's all good, since I mainly use my phone's internet browser to read news etc, I never really do some serious things with it, if I'll do in the future though, I may as well just use Bluetooth keyboard to boost productivity. the last IOS I used is 12 and I notice a huge amount of lag to the point it freezes my phone when navigating in a few large webpages. I hope it's already fixed though. I mean why having that much control to navigate when you have to wait like 2 seconds per-input?I admit I miss a few things from IOS though yes, mainly the neat arrangement of things on the screen so I could easily find whatever I want. and oh the notification too, I hate this cluddered screen that android has.Back on my post, I am not defending anyone and try to be neutral as much as I can between this two sides, yes I apologize if the post is not any related to the braileback, but I couldn't help myself to not saying anything against that kind of post since almost (not all) topics that discuss about android have this kind of poster which basically says "hahahahehehe android is sucks, dude, android accessibility is a crap, dude, android doesn't have this and that, dude, meh? android? can you do this just like on my iPhone?" what I hate the most with this poster though, how they just ran away and do not read the respond as I state before. look, I don't mind if the poster explains in detail his or her point and has equal experience with both OS. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/572317/#p572317 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: BrailleBack Now
Re: BrailleBack Now Okay, you want more than just the simple explanation of it being crap? I'll explain to you then, since I've *used* Braille Back. I've wanted to *love* Android. I spent close to a year with Android, so stop assuming crap!First, the supported devices. Imagine this. You're a person who is deaf-blind, and you have a braille display that you like, but it's not exactly the top 10 most common ones, but it works for you. You don't have that much money, so you decide to get an Android phone. So you get a Google Pixel because updates and gotta have labels accessibility API's so your screen reader is worth using. So you then look into Braille Back, because if it's anything like JAWS or even NVDA, it should support your braille display.•APH Refreshabraille•APH Orbit Reader 20•Baum VarioUltra•Baum VarioConnect•Esys EuroBraille•Freedom Scientific Focus Blue (14 and 40 cell models)•HandyTech (Basic Braille, Active Braille, Braille Star, Braille Wave, Braillino, Easy Braille)•Harpo Braillepen 12•HIMS (BrailleSense, Braille EDGE, Smart Beetle)•Humanware Brailliant (1st generation and BI models)•Optelec Alva (BC640, BC680)•Optelec EasyLink 12 Touch•Papenmeier Braillex Trio•Seika (notetaker and 40 cell display)Meanwhile, the iOS list contains many more commands, the full list is here: https://support.google.com/accessibilit … 5226?hl=enNow, after you even get the phone, you have to *install* the app! Yes, it doesn't come with TalkBack! For us who are blind but not deaf, that's fine. But for those who are deaf-blind, that means using an assistant that much more. This is a huge slap in the face for people who are deaf-blind, and thera re more that I'll get into. So you have to have TalkBack enabled, and install BrailleBack, set up the display through Bluetooth, and then set it up to be used in Brailleack settings. At least in iOS, there's just one place you go to set up braille, and it just takes that one setup process.next, there's no way of muting just TalkBack speech or sounds. Yes, you can *work around this* by turning down the volume. Sure. But that's a sorry excuse for bad user experience and design. I don't give a freaking crap what anyone else says, what excuses they give to all-mighty Google who can do no wrong, that is very poor and very unprofessional. This means that a deaf-blind user will have to keep their phone muted, or, as told to me by a Google employee, "just plug a pair of headphones in." That's stupid. That's another slap in the face. And that's why i believe that no blind people should use Android because of their mistreatment of braille users.Next, the commands. I'll put forth here that I used BrailleBack with a Vario Ultra 20 braille display. This *is* supported by BrailleBack. The commands are very non-standard. It's like they didn't look at any previous system for braille entry besides BRLTTY, which is just as non-standard. Space with L goes to the top of the screen in just about every other system, even in iOS. What does it do in BrailleBack? It opens Learn Mode. Okay, I could get used to that I suppose. But there are commands like pressing up on the navigation stick and pressing a dot that's rather awkward to press.Next we have the fact that you cannot read Google Books with it. I don't think you can even read Kindle books with it. Even if you can read Kindle books, Google books is the thing you'll look at first probably, as it's the thing installed. All you can do is have Google TTS read the book to you. You can't even read the thing with TalkBack. I may be wrong here, but for Deaf-blind people, who cannot hear, text matters, a lot, and not having access to a built-in service is just another nail in the coffin. Even for me, as a blind person with mild hearing loss only, when I have headaches, I can't stand hearing much of anything, but I can read a bit. So being able to just sit in my rocking chair with a book reading on the braille display, it's very freeing. Also, I can concentrate on materials far better with braille. So if I'm reading a book on programming, I *need* to have the ability to read that in braille. Also again, there's the fact that you can't mute speech. So, if I want to listen to music and read silently, nope. The accessibility volume helps, yes, definitely. But what if I then want to check text messages with speech? i'd have to turn the volume back up again.Now, typing. Reading Braille is wonderful, but typing it is even more freeing when using a touch screen device. You have to set BrailleBack's keyboard as default, as it can't just interact with the text field itself through system methods or anything, it needs its own keyboard. That's just one more step you have to go through to set it up. Compare that to iOS, where it acts just like any other modern screen reader. Just pair and go!Now, listen. I *want* to be proven wrong, on **all** of my points. I would ***love*** to be able to go to my boss Monday and say "You know, I was wrong ab
Re: BrailleBack Now
Re: BrailleBack Now Comes from everywhere. How do you navigate by buttons, checkboxes, form elements? Oh yeah, Talkback is the inovative screen reader that groups everything under one element called controls. How do you navigate a table by row and column? You don't, because Talkback does not have vertical navigation. None of these apply if you use an external keyboard though, I guess that is the only way of accessing the web in 2020. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/572296/#p572296 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: BrailleBack Now
Re: BrailleBack Now Can someone please tell me where this argument of Talk Back having shitty web support comes from? I have never seen that. VA on the other hand though... URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/572288/#p572288 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: BrailleBack Now
Re: BrailleBack Now And yes. They have a pretty awesome chipset but the price is so high for the flagship and the mid-range phones battery can't last more than 6 hours URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/572284/#p572284 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: BrailleBack Now @21 I can get about 15 to 17 hours on screen time with no brake. Try doing that with an iPhone, and then come back here to challenge me on that. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/572282/#p572282 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: BrailleBack Now You could get a mid-range Android phone with more battery. A lot more URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/572279/#p572279 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: BrailleBack Now
Re: BrailleBack Now in my opinion, android has big advances over iOS in certain arrias, I'm not going to go all over these because everyone who knows Android and iOS is familiar with them.But the lagging navigation of TB and VA, the non intuitive rotor settings and general beheaviour of the screen readers available keep me away from it.Greetings Moritz. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/572270/#p572270 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: BrailleBack Now
Re: BrailleBack Now Hi.at 19 your hole post speaks of no technical knolledge what so ever.Firstly, because of the differences in the android and iOS architectures, iOS doesn't need as many system resources as android. i think the latest iPhone has 4 to 6 gb of ram and if you look at benchmarks, it basically leaves all the android phones behind it, points wise.Secondly, components need batterie power, that's basic knolledge, but saying that a batterie is bad due to the MA it has doesn't really work. Hardware components need less and less energie to function, and the SE is a low budget phone, so you can't expect it to have a freaking 3000 MA batterie inside.Greetings Moritz. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/572269/#p572269 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: BrailleBack Now
Re: BrailleBack Now And that's related to accessibility how? In my previous posts about Android, I clearly say that I hope this gets better one day as I like Android as a system a lot more than iOS, and enjoy the freedom of doing whatever you want. I can get the most powerful Android, it's useless if I can't browse the web properly. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/572268/#p572268 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: BrailleBack Now At least not all Android phones are extremely overpriced. I'm not getting 64GB of storage and 4GB of RAM for like $1,100.. I could freaking get 512gb of storage for that price. There is the iPhone se 2020 which is not really any better. I don't know they put like a old Nokia 1800 ma battery inside it and expect it to work well with the Apple a13 bionic, their latest and greatest processor. Yes no thanks. I better go get a 128gb of storage and 6 GB of RAM Google Pixel for under $500 URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/572266/#p572266 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: BrailleBack Now
Re: BrailleBack Now @15 now that post right there screams of factual information. And what exactly did you tell the OP about braille support on Android? That's right, nothing, because you most likely don't even use braille with your phone. If you did, you would know it's as basic as it gets, and Narrator probably does it better on Windows at this point.No problem though, keep defending multy billion dollar companies, I am sure they need that. I will always admit when something sucks about iOS. Example? The volume management is far superior on Android, and I hate that I can't make Voiceover louder than the currently playing media. The problem is that the things Android does wrong are basics of a screen reader, and they include things such as completely garbage web support. No problem though, while we still can't use braille without speech on Android, Apple just gave you the option for auto advancing your display. Brailleback will get that, in a few years, decades... URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/572263/#p572263 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: BrailleBack Now
Re: BrailleBack Now Dude I've been using Android ever since like 2012 and its accessibility is just over driving forward. if you don't try it and still say bulshit about it then get off of these topics. You're not giving valid arguments URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/572260/#p572260 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: BrailleBack Now @15 thanks for the post as I really don't like people who bash android with out using it for over a few months to a year. I have now had my android tablet for over a year and still runs like new. If I did have to buy the tablet after my iPad I had failed not even a year later, and I have around three months of my studies at the time. The apps did work better in my experience. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/572237/#p572237 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: BrailleBack Now @10 lol sorry man, I saw so many or your post really humiliate android, if you don't have something nice to say, then don't post, sorry btw, it's really annoyed me to see some peapol posting like this, where literally the op ask for a question and someone answer shit. this exactly what starts a forum war. now why I start seeing these apple users as a rich, arogan and mindless folks? make me kind of regret being the part of it back on the day. why? is it because you bought the pricey phone so you don't want to admit it's flaw?Now which part from android accessibility is a crap? mind to explain that? peapol been using android for who knows how long now and able to enjoy using it. we have facts here, I am sure after you bash like that you'll just ran away, and never read the respond which basically you don't even gave a chance for peapol to argue with your thought.Overfanatic is not good, you know.sorry for sounded angry but I am tired to see this kind of behaviour URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/572234/#p572234 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: BrailleBack Now
Re: BrailleBack Now Speaking of Brailleback, Episode 49 of the Android News Apps Talk And Deals Podcast, talks about this toward the middle of the episode.NB. I bought an Orbit Writer from the AT Guys early Summer, and after the latest update, I'm enjoying it! Even if moving around the OS is fine (I haven't tried this with Commentary yet [which I do have a premium license for it at the moment] on said Orbit Writer keyboard), web browsing while using Brailleback, makes no sense! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/570270/#p570270 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: BrailleBack Now Speaking of Brailleback, Episode 49 of the Android News Apps Talk And Deals Podcast.NB. I bought an Orbit Writer from the AT Guys early Summer, and after the latest update, I'm enjoying it! Even if moving around the OS is fine (I haven't tried this with Commentary yet [which I do have a premium license for it at the moment] on said Orbit Writer keyboard), web browsing while using Brailleback, makes no sense! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/570270/#p570270 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: BrailleBack Now Speaking of Brailleback, one of the Episode 49 of the Android News Apps Talk And Deals Podcast.NB. I bought an Orbit Writer from the AT Guys early Summer, and after the latest update, I'm enjoying it! Even if moving around the OS is fine (I haven't tried this with Commentary yet [which I do have a premium license for it at the moment] on said Orbit Writer keyboard), web browsing while using Brailleback, makes no sense! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/570270/#p570270 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: BrailleBack Now I've been using an Android for around 2 years now. I stopped using Voice Assistant in favor of CSR for the past year and a half. I've not had 1 bad thing to say about Android what so ever. I really enjoy it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/570264/#p570264 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: BrailleBack Now I honestly don't know what to say to people who say Androidaccessibility is bad. If you don't try a modern Android version than you are ignorant about Android accessibility and you should never talk about it URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/570157/#p570157 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: BrailleBack Now @10 I can not see how you think android accessibility is crap. Have you tried android in the past 5 years? If not, please go try more modern android before basing android's accessibility off of stuff you tried ages ago. I used to do the same thing, but it is better now. It's not perfect, no, but it's not, as you put it, crap.BrailleBack does, in fact, work with screen readers aside from talkback, and last i checked, you can also do commands with it. It supports my BNT fine, as well as my brailliant, so I'm not sure what's going on there. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/570153/#p570153 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: BrailleBack Now Same as it always was, crap like the rest of Android accessibility. As I've always said, if the accessibility API's are crap, then what comes above them can't be much better. The OS is the *foundation* of all accessibility on that OS. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/570142/#p570142 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: BrailleBack Now That's useful to know. However, can you perform CSR specific commands with it? If no, that's really basic and I would not say it works. If yes, then that's indeed great. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/569991/#p569991 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: BrailleBack Now @nidza07, I've had success using BrailleBack with CSR, so it does indeed work with screen readers other than TalkBack. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/569976/#p569976 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: BrailleBack Now And worst of all, it doesn't work with notetakers, like the Braille Note Touch plus that I will buy sometime in the future. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/569896/#p569896 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: BrailleBack Now Yeah, and not have any sound at all. That's not a solution, moreover this won't work if your device is on Android 7 or below. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/569852/#p569852 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: BrailleBack Now @4 you can turn down the accessibility volume URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/569825/#p569825 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: BrailleBack Now It's important to note that soft braille keyboard and advanced braille keyboard are apps that allow you to type braille on screen.The original poster is asking about braille display support on Android.Quite honestly, if you depend on a braille display, don't waste your time. Braille back just sucks. You can't use it without Talkback, and even if you do use it with Talkback, you can't turn the speech off to independently use braille. This isn't the only problem though, many commands are inconsistent, most notably when scrolling lists, and some are just completely unavailable making it impossible to use all Talkback features. It largely depends on the display itself, but nobody told me they had a great time using their display on Android. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/569794/#p569794 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: BrailleBack Now
Re: BrailleBack Now I've never managed to figure out advanced braille keyboard lol, still using an old apk of soft braille keyboard. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/569763/#p569763 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: BrailleBack Now
Re: BrailleBack Now Until Android 11 comes out for more devices, it works ... alright. Keep in mind, commands will depend on which Braille display you have.Pressing the letter L with the space bar, will list what commands you have after it’s connected.You “for now” can’t change said commands for Braille Back. Alternatively, there is the app called “Advanced Braille Keyboard,” Which you may want to take a look at. It’s available in the Play Store. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/569695/#p569695 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
