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It might actually be possible, if you consider that out-of-band remote management technology is useful to corporations. You could imagine your firmware having an interface over the network you could control with another computer or app. That would
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Draq, bios may never be made completely accessible. It is as low-level as a computer gets, the literal firmware inside the machine. The only way this could happen is if they actually made sound support, or had beeps from pc speakers along with menu guides
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I still wish there was an accessible way to change BIOS settings. BIOS is loaded before anything else though, so no screen reader is going to be able to do that to my knowledge.Does Narrator work in safe mode yet? Or is that the recovery thing I keep
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Let's compare like for like, shall we? Apache is a sponsored project.But yes, point very well taken. I love FLOSS--use it all the time on servers--but I understand the reluctance of companies to use something for which they feel their is inade
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Not just sceenreaders though that could be spyware/keyloggers.Here:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9g9tBIlfdINAnd that's a company that's big enough to hide it. So, paranoia? No, but it definitely shows that if a company wanted to they'
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I think it's pretty much near completion. Perhaps we'll see it in the next version. A lot of stuff gets included in due time, profiles .for example. As for narrator, businesses would never touch narrator. The only way that would happen is if i
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Just tried obj pad. Huge improvement on the default method. Unless there are issues with it that haven't been ironed out yet, I don't see why it should still be languishing on the addons page. Should be part of the program.
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As far as on-board screen readers are concerned, it's about time MS got one to work during the setup of the operating system. Buying a new PC, then having to wait for a sighted person to come help you set it up really bugs me. Or having to have si
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@Chris, I disagree. Brian Hartgen, who develops many JAWS scripts, develops his scripts--as you say--to increase access to inaccessible applications; but he also develops scripts to make it possible to perform tasks more quickly or easily than without
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How'd you rate JAWS?
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If companies refuse to use open-source software like NVDA (which has no malware or spyware and source code that anyone with the technical knowledge could review and verify this statement), how about Narrator? It's built into the operating system a
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If companies are so hell-bent on not using open source software like NVDA (which has no malware or spyware and source code that anyone with the technical knowledge could review it and verify this statement), how about Narrator? It's built int
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Well, to be fair, not everyone likes Python either. NVDA is a great community project, but I think the curve for mere mortals is still pretty steep if you actually want to improve it yourself. Ultimately, I think this is where GW got it absolutely right
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Obj Pad really is a great innovation. I think that if more people tried it, they would see that object nav doesn't have to be so hard. Then again, when I began using NVDA, Obj Pad didn't exist, so I endured the process of learning object nav, a
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Flackers, we may be able to solve the numpad problem by downloading the objpad nvda addon. This, in my opinion at least, is more powerful than even Jaws arrowing around. Ctrl=nvda+tab changes the behavior of the arrow keys. It's like quicknav on th
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Interesting thread. I'd love to ditch the ludicrously over-priced jaws in favour of NVDA, especially as Jaws has been going downhill lately in terms of releasing versions that add nothing useful to the previous one, and are just released to make
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Interesting thread. I'd love to ditch the ludicrously over-priced jaws in favour of NVDA, especially as Jaws has been going downhill lately in terms of releasing versions that add nothing useful to the previous one, and are just released to make
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If I"m not mistaken, both Nv Access guys are completely blind. That's not to say that some low vision and sighted folks in the community couldn't help with something like that, though.
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If screen magnification should be intregrated in NVDA, and more options regardless of any level of discapacity should be integrated, it will compite with SuperNovaAccess Suite (I don't know but it was the previous name of it), thoes it will be the
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Personally, I am also a great fan of NVDA. I still use JAWS more frequently, however, because I don't really like the way NVDA is displaying things on the braille display. In my opinion, they display a little too much. For a beginner, it might be a
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Personally, I am also a great fan of NVDA. I still use JAWS more frequently, however, because I don't really like the way NVDA is displaying things on the braille display. In my opinion, they display a little too much. For a beginner, it might be a
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Also the talking mouse. I was told that NVDA had that years before FS put it in JAWS.I'm curious about how NVDA's handling things related to Windows 10 that FS says they're having to work with Microsoft to get to work in JAWS tho
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My hope is that he didn't say that, since they themselves have coppied a few features from NVDA; soundcard switching, for instance.
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@FamilyMario, He may have made that comment, or it may have been somebody that had the same name or was impersonating him. At this point, though, the safest thought is to just assume that whoever made that comment was a troll.
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Yes, well, about that ... I'm struggling to see how NVDA Remote can seriously compare at all well to a solution like the one FS provides, which hooks the RDP functionality in the OS or in Citrix. As things stand JAWS includes all the docs and tool
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Well, if I remember correctly, since NVDA Remote was the big thing, there was a comment by Dan Clark from Freedom Scientific, that read, "Copycats, not leaders. That's all I've got to say".
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really? in what ways has FS bashed nv-access? examples?
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if someone made addons that let NVDA do hand holding and network installs over a lan, this may be then able to put VFO out of business with jaws. also ability to do grade2 input, skim reading and skim reading rules along with other powerful jaws features
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Definitely from the corporate playbook. It's why accessibility and litigiousness should never be a thing that coexists. If you look at some of the fights between companies actively using twitter mostly phone carriers, they can get pretty brutal. It&
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Those kinds of tactics seem to come straight from a corporate playbook, kind of tiresome at this point. I'm not sure how I feel about a slush fund to maintain and create open source projects though, then again there's Ubuntu. What sort of pac
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that comment by FS in my opinion just shows how not proffessional they are. NVDA is translated in over 50 languages and how many does jaws have? That's just one advantage of open source there. Yes, two guys in a garage, we love you!
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NV Access may not bash, but a small group of users of their products certainly do.
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You're thinking of Apple, Draq. That I know for sure started in a garage. Microsoft? Maybe. The ironic thing is that starting up in the garage is starting to become the norm for pretty successful new companies, so it's funny how Fs thinks tha
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Didn't Microsoft start in a garage? Lol.
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congrads to the two guys in the garage! We love you!
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I completely agree with the linked article. The days of commercial proprietary screen readers are numbered. Did someone from VFO really say "two guys in a garage"? [[wow]]!
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Chris Hofstader just posted a blog about this issue.http://chrishofstader.com/nvda-now-more-than-ever/NVDA: Now More Than Ever!May 23, 2017 by Chris Hofstader3 CommentsEpigram“All the power is in the hands,Of the people rich enough to buy it,While we walk
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Chris Hofstader just posted a blog about this issue.http://chrishofstader.com/nvda-now-more-than-ever/
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I think another part of the problem is when people look at something and think, "I think this could or should be easier." They then proceed to write software that holds the user's hand, and then everyone forgets how everything wor
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Actually many Window-Eyes users would claim that about WinEyes, that it is and always was a screen reader for the advanced user who wishes to take command, much as NVDA is today in many ways. In fact this is still reflected in the Window-Eyes to JAWS
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Draq, while it is true that Apple device's cost an arm and a leg, you can't directly compare that to a screen reader. !, you are getting what you pay for, if you buy a mac. I can go into why the phones shouldn't be so expensive, but that&
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That's exactly what I was thinking, Turtlepower. The nvda guide, as great as it is, is nothing short of a nice ebook that you read in your book reader of choice. Just fine for anyone who's comfortable with that and doesn't mind reading
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Nice article, and thumbs up for a great post. I completely agree that an add-on for NVDA that provided some sort of training module would be a good thing to have. Not everyone learns by listening to a tutorial, many folks are intimidated by documentation
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Draq, while it is true that Apple device sod cost an arm and a leg, you can't directly compare that to a screen reader. !, you are getting what you pay for, if you buy a mac. I can go into why the phones shouldn't be so expensive, but that'
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that's how business works. Find something people need. Find a way to get it to them. Charge for it. If a product is good enough, people can get away with charging as much as they want to some extent. Sometimes high prices are necessary to keep a co
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Remember when I said I wouldn't pay for SMA upgrades unless I had a very good reason? Well, I finally got my license number today and unsurprisingly, I have no SMA upgrades left because the Window-Eyes license wasn't current. When I went to
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Perhaps this is complete naivety, but am I the only one who feels like we should start seeing this as an issue of right rather than privilege? How many years have we had screens and devices with them? How often have you come across a device on a shelf
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@DracoSelene89It could be that windows eyes was too similar to Jaws and they wanted to consolidate their products, their recent bundle deal though seems interesting. A 90 day renewable license for $179 for both Jaws and MAGic, it seems like an attempt to
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@DracoSelene89It could be that windows eyes was too similar to Jaws and they wanted to consolidate their products, their recent bundle deal though seems interesting. A 90 day renewable license for $179 for both Jaws and MAGic, it seems like an attempt to
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I think that's less true now than it was in the past. You do have a valid point, but NVDA is not nearly as intimidating as it used to be in its infancy. When I switched to using NVDA, I adjusted quite well. The only thing that took me awhile to ge
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@40, the very point of JAWS is to be accommodating to users of all skill levels. JAWS is much easier to use for computer beginners than NVDA because JAWS is so refined that it allows so much customisation in such a simple way compared to NVDA. I'
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So I got an email with order confirmation information saying I now have a JAWS license. However, I can't find my authorization number. I sent an email back asking what to do. Why did I get a generic email with no registration info?
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I think that it would make much more sense to have two different packages that you could purchase for JAWS, a lite edition, and a full edition. The lite edition wouldn't contain Research It, OCR, FS Reader, etc. I bet that would cut the
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I think that it would make much more sense to have two different packages that you could purchase for JAWS, a lite edition, and a full edition. The lite edition wouldn't contain Research It, OCR, FS Reader, etc. I bet that would cut the
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I asked GW for my SMA counts to be added to my existing JAWS license, which already had a single SMA count, to enable all the feature flags, and to take my license back to Pro. Result is that I now have 18.0+3, which, really, isn't too shabby ...Of c
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@post 30, I think you have a misconception about comercial products. A product, which is sold at a particular price, is not designed especially to meet only one's needs or desires. It is designed to meet all the customers' needs with all the fea
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@35:Fair point, however.it's not like Jaws is the only thing FS sells, they do have other revenue streams and as MS showed, you can sell quality software and shift more units by lowering a price point, and getting more people buying a
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yeah, 35 has it right. Take a look at how far Android has come in just a decade. Ten years ago, the iPhone was the hype of it all. Today, I know more people who own droids to iOS devices. That changes when you get into the blind community; I know more
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Open Source projects don't have the same constraints and limitations that commercial projects do. NVDA can crowd source alot of the code work, technical support, translations, documentation, and hardware support through their community, which is basi
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I don't think that the price of JAWS is justified, but there does need to be a several-hundred-dollar price tag because developing something that very few people use is expensive. Remember that Freedom Scientific has to pay its developers, tech
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n@30: Buyer's remorse/guilt. They spent upwards of $1000 (and no idea why it is that price, or why a lot of physical goods that are accessible are marked up on certain organizations), so they feel like they have to defend it or at least, expla
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If you did like Window-Eyes, ZoomText Fusion is still being sold.I am a JAWS user and I use Research It and Convenient OCR all the time. I use Research It to quickly check the definition of the word because a) it's quicker and b) I'm too laz
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I've never gotten Fs reader to work; make of that what you will.
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Jaws is so big and bloated because of the OCR feature, mainly. Also, Research it most likely isn't helping matters. If these were optional features, I wouldn't mind, but I think it's absolutely ridiculous to make people download things they
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Jaws is so big and bloated because of the OCR feature, mainly. Also, Research it most likely isn't helping matters. If these were optional features, I wouldn't mind, but I think it's absolutely ridiculous to make people download things they
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@Chris, I do know there is a Jaws demo, but since I have no hope in hell of affording it, either in initial license or upgrades, it really would be just idle curiosity at this stage. Were it $50, or even $100, maybe, but at this point probably a better
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OK, so purely out of curiosity, I checked out System Access again. Former Serotek employees can't even recommend it anymore, however a couple of observations in my case are: that it did not correctly install on my (snapshotted, of course) XP VM, cra
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At the times when I was using Windows, I used NVDA helping sometimes with ZDSR, but We was cool as I looked in to it in 2011 if I remember
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why is the installer so large?This seems to affect all the software, these days. It's like software is a gas: the more diskspace available, the more it expands to fill its container. I can only hope that the filesize bloat all over the everything i
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Dark, you can download the JAWS 18 demo and try it out for yourself. The only limitations I know of are the 40 minute timer and the inability to be the controller for JAWS Tandem. Speaking of JAWS, why is the installer still so large? I thought they got
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@Afrim, as I said, my lady's window eyes license number is in a cd in a box in Germany, that is assuming it's still valid, unfortunately her x husband apparently handled all of that sort of thing. Unfortunately I think the Window eyes lic
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I figured this was coming. Once FS bought AI Squared and then merged, one of the products had to go. And of course it was window eyes, because FS would go for the product under their wing as it were rather than their own product.
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Well, I cannot say I'm surprized.I didn't like window eyes, because at that time I cannot get the spanish version of it...
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There are far too many elitists on either side promoting their favorite product; can someone just get me a brailler already? :d
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@Dark, If I were your lady, I would take the offer. JAWS is a wonderful screen reader and it is fairly integrated with Windows, and especially the office package. I've not been disappointed by JAWS on its performance in Microsoft word, which I need t
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Actually Sebby given that her Window eyes license number is somewhere on a cd in a box inn Germany the question was mostly an idle one .
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System Access, eh? Now, can somebody here tell us what that's good for? Honest question ...@Dark: since there is absolutely no copy-protection on Window-Eyes whatsoever (one of its genuinely wonderful features, quite apart from either Supernova or
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R.I.P to window-eyesI've only used it once, but i didn't like it.It's just so sad to see less competitors around.and what's vfo anyway? Variable-frequency oscillator?
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And this comes on the back of VFO acquiring the Paciello Group last week.
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Hmmm, I can't say I am surprised at this since ever since I've heard fs took over gw micro I sort of expected this to happen after all, Fs behaviour in the past has been rather typical of the corporate takeover mentality, what with buying up ne
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Yeah, I'm definitely getting the monopoly vibe here. I decided to send a request for a JFW license. If I get a free copy of 18 that's cool. If not, I don't really care. I know I'm definitely not buying any SMA upgrades unless I hav
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hahaha! I like that one better! Linux is left fighting windows, the ruler of the world!
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Yeah, but even then, there'd still be Wendy's, Backyard Burger, Sonic, Waterburger, Cheeburger, and so on to Infinity and Beyond. Meanwhile, this leaves NVDA and Supernova and System Access, and that's effectively it. And I hadn't
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This is like McDonalds buyhing out Burger king and getting rid of the whopper. Nicely done, guys; very very creative indeed.
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Here is the comment I left on the blind bargains article about this very thing. I am not sure if it went through. what does everyone else here think?In one sense this is sad news indeed, but on the other hand it was expected that something like this would
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Well, I am definitely not surprised about this. Window Eyes had been declining in popularity for quite awhile, and, of course, when VFO came into existance, everybody knew one of the major screen readers had to go. And, well, most of us knew which was
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This is an epitaph for Window-eyes, written and published by cool blind tech.com. Quite profound, I'd say.“Here lies Window-eyes,After it was bought, met its demise.Gave customers flexibility,Unfortunately, no software is immune to mortality.”Refe
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If you have a current Window-Eyes, you can get a current JAWS. And if you have SMA counts, they'll transfer. Check out the podcast on the linked page.I found Window-Eyes far more stable than JFW. YMMV. I don't think FS will be giving JFW away t
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The best thing that could happen is that they change the pricing model for jaws. Perhaps they offer jaws for free if you have office installed, or god for bid drop the price.
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All I'll say is good riddance to that crummy screen reader. It wasn't worth the $1200 we spent on it. It crashed a lot and seemedly generally unstable. I wonder if I could get me a free copy of JFW? I own Window-eyes 9.2 or something like th
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I cut my teeth on Wineyes, starting from 3.0 on Windows 3.x. Gosh, happy days. Happy days ...
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Rest in peace to window eyes.I like old versions like 6.1 and I am sad for it.I am using nvda but nah, I liked it with qualiti voices and much, much more.
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And the shark bites, my friends. Watch out NVDA, just kidding of course.
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