[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Wandboard vs. Touch ?

2013-07-12 Thread soundcheck
Hi there. I'm wondering if to try the wandboard with community squeeze. Has anybody compared SQ of the Wandboard Toslink to Touch Toslink? Wandboard perhaps with quality USB-SPDIF interface - Touch? If wandboard, then solo/dual/quad ?? THX Cheers ::: ' Touch Toolbox and more'

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Wandboard vs. Touch ?

2013-07-12 Thread Chunkywizard
I can't talk to the quality but just to say Toslink on the Wandboard was broken on the initial carrier cards. It is fixed on the carrier card that ships with the Quad board. Hopefully they have now swapped out the carrier card that ships with the dual board but it's worth check on their forums.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upsampling Impressions

2013-07-12 Thread SBGK
Julf wrote: Any specific reasons to prefer WAV? I think the general view is that with lower-end processors (such as those in the squeezeboxes) that don't have dedicated I/O processors the additional network load caused by the wasted bits in WAV files causes more CPU load (and thus

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upsampling Impressions

2013-07-12 Thread soundcheck
Guys. Don't highjack this thread. My main question still is: What's your preferred least intrusive and highest quality Sox SRC setting? It seems that not anybody is able or willing to come up with a recommendation!?!? ::: ' Touch Toolbox and more' (http://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.com)

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upsampling Impressions

2013-07-12 Thread pippin
First of all: WAV means: transport twice the number of bits over the network which causes twice the load in all your network interfaces (NIC, buffers,...). If you use WiFi it also means: decrypt twice the number of bits, a process that needs much more CPU cycles than the simple FLAC decoding. I

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upsampling Impressions

2013-07-12 Thread soundcheck
This thread is about resampling qualities resp. differences between filter settings. And NOT about file formats. ::: ' Touch Toolbox and more' (http://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.com) ::: by soundcheck soundcheck's

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upsampling Impressions

2013-07-12 Thread pippin
yep. And one effect of server-side upsampling is a dramatic increase of bandwidth requirements. Going from 44.1/16 to 192/24 means you increase the bandwidth required by a factor of 8! --- learn more about iPeng, the iPhone and iPad remote for the Squeezebox and *New: Logitech UE Smart Radio*

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upsampling Impressions

2013-07-12 Thread Julf
SBGK wrote: what are these wasted bits? The ones that need to be unnecessarily transmitted and received (and possibly encrypted and decrypted) on the network. FLAC usually achieves a compression factor close to 2:1. handling those data packets require CPU power. I've always found WAVs sound

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upsampling Impressions

2013-07-12 Thread edwardian
pippin wrote: yep. And one effect of server-side upsampling is a dramatic increase of bandwidth requirements. Going from 44.1/16 to 192/24 means you increase the bandwidth required by almost a factor of 7! OK fair enough. For uncompressed PCM: 16/44.1 = 1,411 Kbps 24/192 = 9,216 Kbps Your

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upsampling Impressions

2013-07-12 Thread pippin
Don't want to distract this even more, but you are correct, I caught an additional factor of two for PCM but your video streams are MPEG rates, I was talking about H.264 which runs at around half the rate. So it's about the same as a 1080p stream, the ones I looked at here were all in the 10

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upsampling Impressions

2013-07-12 Thread JohnSwenson
I started this because I was using the upsampling built into Squeezelite(libsoxr), not using SoX in LMS so I can't offer any clues as to how to get that to work properly. The Squeezelite resampling option is not the same as in SoX the program arguments, although the underlying code is the same.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upsampling Impressions

2013-07-12 Thread edwardian
JohnSwenson wrote: BTW the load on the Wandboard processor is about 8% when using this setting. When using the default 20 bit setting it is about 4% and when not doing any upsampling its about 2%. Cool. Thanks for the info. Do those percentages include FLAC decoding, or are you feeding

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] MEASUREMENTS: Do Bit-perfect Digital S/PDIF Transports Sound The Same?

2013-07-12 Thread Archimago
soundcheck wrote: Comment: What you measure is your measurement DAC (e.g. WM8805 ) receivers capability to cope with the incoming signal. The better the audio DACs digital interface, with all its error corrections implemented, the better the source issues will be suppressed. It

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] MEASUREMENTS: Do Bit-perfect Digital S/PDIF Transports Sound The Same?

2013-07-12 Thread SBGK
Archimago wrote: Where are you saying is the WM8805 SPDIF receiver in this post? That was the SPDIF receiver in the old AUNE X1, not the ASUS Essence One... I assume therefore you are the one mistaken. Toslink can exhibit several 100ns of jitter - do you mean ps? I'm pretty sure I show

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upsampling Impressions

2013-07-12 Thread JohnSwenson
edwardian wrote: Cool. Thanks for the info. Do those percentages include FLAC decoding, or are you feeding it PCM? I'm usually sending flac over the network these days since I don't have a new enough server to handle 176 and 192 pcm. The above numbers were for sending flac at 44.1 over

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] MEASUREMENTS: Do Bit-perfect Digital S/PDIF Transports Sound The Same?

2013-07-12 Thread Archimago
SBGK wrote: based on your measurements, you seem happy for Mynb to draw the conclusion that ..and thats why I think the unmodded Touch is a sufficiently good transport for any and all systems and listeners , It's limitation to only 24/96 is of no particular concern either . which is