Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD's vs. vinyl

2015-02-05 Thread Archimago
paulster wrote: Great blog post. I love my vinyl, but I hate that I have to love listening to vinyl to get better quality sound out of an inferior medium, because of the ongoing loudness wars! Yeah. That's a tragedy IMO! As much as I can enjoy needle drops, they're still obviously not as

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD's vs. vinyl

2015-02-05 Thread Mnyb
Archimago wrote: Yeah. That's a tragedy IMO! As much as I can enjoy needle drops, they're still obviously not as good as the original direct-to-digital. Please indulge me for a second... /rant on!/ It's really quite sad that on the one hand we have folks like Neil Young pushing

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD's vs. vinyl

2015-02-05 Thread Julf
philippe_44 wrote: this is math, not black magic and not open for opinion. Ah, but what do scientists think they know about art, music and enjoyment? :) To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD's vs. vinyl

2015-02-05 Thread Julf
paulster wrote: True, but look at the example I posted. Unless there's a different MP3 master, you can see the small difference in DR between the vinyl and the MP3 because of the differences in the media types, but you can also see that they are both manifestly different from the CD. Sure,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD's vs. vinyl

2015-02-05 Thread ralphpnj
usc95 wrote: I have never understood the resurgence of vinyl and the insistence of those who swear it sounds better. Perhaps my limited budget for gear will forever condemn me to enjoying digital music and missing the superior pops and hiss of my youth but I don't plan on buying back in

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD's vs. vinyl

2015-02-05 Thread Archimago
ralphpnj wrote: Thanks for the link! A very informative article. Neil Young should know better. Dynamic range compression has been around a lot longer than digital audio and the mp3 format. Dynamic range compression has been used in radio broadcasting since at the 1960s, if not before

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD's vs. vinyl

2015-02-05 Thread paulster
Archimago wrote: Time for a blog post on this: Great blog post. I love my vinyl, but I hate that I have to love listening to vinyl to get better quality sound out of an inferior medium, because of the ongoing loudness wars! Two track 1's and no track 2 after a scan for new and changed?

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD's vs. vinyl

2015-02-05 Thread Julf
philippe_44 wrote: this is what enjoyment should never be: rationalized. Try, experience and the 'good' thing is what you like, at the end Indeed. No need to try to rationalize it with pseudoscience, voodoo and mumbo-jumbo. To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD's vs. vinyl

2015-02-05 Thread Mnyb
Julf wrote: Indeed. No need to try to rationalize it with pseudoscience, voodoo and mumbo-jumbo. Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD's vs. vinyl

2015-02-05 Thread philippe_44
Unfortunately much more than they do really know, I agree :) ... and this is what enjoyment should never be: rationalized. Try, experience and the 'good' thing is what you like, at the end LMS 7.7.2 - 5 radio, 3 Boom, 4 Duet, 1 Touch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD's vs. vinyl

2015-02-05 Thread Mnyb
philippe_44 wrote: Unfortunately much more than they do really know, I agree :) ... and this is what enjoyment should never be: rationalized. Try, experience and the 'good' thing is what you like, at the end Yes ofcourse ,but it helps to realize that a CD as container is a good enough fit

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Digital Active Speakers

2015-02-05 Thread snoogly
**Bluedroog wrote: I've ordered a pair of Event Opals, can't wait to get them home. Wow, they are quite expensive beasts aren't they? snoogly's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9155 View this

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Digital Active Speakers

2015-02-05 Thread Gandhi
I noticed that Event actually shows distortion figures in percent for the whole speaker system and not just the amplifier. Also, the figures are better than I'd have expected. But why the 3rd harmonic? OPAL 2-way 750-watt Active Monitor: 3rd Harmonic Distortion @ 90dB SPL, 1m: 500 - 7kHz - 0.08%

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD's vs. vinyl

2015-02-05 Thread RonM
Julf wrote: Ah, but what do scientists think they know about art, music and enjoyment? :) Actually, your typical scientist knows a great deal more about art,music and enjoyment, than the typical art or music critic knows about science. LMS on a dedicated music server (FitPC3) Transporter

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD's vs. vinyl

2015-02-05 Thread Squeezemenicely
usc95 wrote: I found the following article an interesting read and thought some of you might as well: Thanks so much, what a great and interesting article! I believe the trouble with CDs being seen as a minor product, with harsh and cold sound, comes from the very first (affordable)

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Last words on PONO...

2015-02-05 Thread Mnyb
paulster wrote: I'd be interested to see measurements. I've had two of them, one that sounded noticeably different to the other (which is a QC worry), but neither of them could hold a candle to the other couple of 9018-based DACs I have in my systems. The owner of one of them came over all

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Digital Active Speakers

2015-02-05 Thread Mnyb
Gandhi wrote: I noticed that Event actually shows distortion figures in percent for the whole speaker system and not just the amplifier. Also, the figures are better than I'd have expected. But why the 3rd harmonic? OPAL 2-way 750-watt Active Monitor: 3rd Harmonic Distortion @ 90dB SPL,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Last words on PONO...

2015-02-05 Thread paulster
Mnyb wrote: If it has a frequency response problem and muddy bass when driving headphones that makes me want to see the measurements even more , looks like a classic impedance mismatch problem But also when driving a preamp in line out mode, which should be an easy load. Same issue. Two

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Last words on PONO...

2015-02-05 Thread paulster
Mnyb wrote: Yes no measurement ? But it's seems nice enough portable player with good headphone drive capability actually quite ok. But as stated that would not sell , let's get on the HRA hype bandwagon :D Considering that many headfi guys lug around multiple box rigs in thier

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD's vs. vinyl

2015-02-05 Thread paulster
Julf wrote: But sometimes the artist has a different idea of good than the average audiophile. My favourite recent example is Daft Punk, who have pretty much 100% control over the end result. Check out their DR numbers... This is a great example, actually. Random Access Memories sounds