Mnyb wrote:
> On case anyone missed it .
>
> http://archimago.blogspot.se/2018/01/audiophile-myth-260-detestable-digital.html?m=1
>
> Great blog by Arch as usual .
>
> The conclusion these ringing graphs are a red herring . They ate
> interpretted out of context.
> They are good if you want
Mongo wrote:
> Hello Audio Engineers,
> I read in these fora mention of DSP based room optimization. I have a
> highly non optimum room so anything helps.
> Can anyone recommend software/hardware that does this? Relatively easy
> to implement would be a good starting point.
> thanks
Hi
Archimago wrote:
> Hey Ralph,
> Finding Kool-Aid again is very much like an ex-cult/religion member
> finding "the way" again...
>
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> Oh ye of little faith. Cast aside thy apostate ways and come rejoin the
> fold!
>
> For penance since you have upset the Almighty Stereophile, go
sckramer wrote:
> Haha, where do you find this crap /s?
I browse Audio Asylum from time to time, and I saw this one on a forum
called "Isolation Ward" ("Iso"). :)
Once in a blue moon I get some good information from AA. I found out
about the 1jazz.ru group of Russian jazz stations from there
Archimago wrote:
> Amazed that the Belts are still at this! I would have thought they'd
> have retired by now.
I know! They just keep cranking out these ideas.
I do get a good laugh at audiophile stuff that's this crazy though. I
wonder if any of these items will make it to the Stereophile
Thought you guys would get a kick out of this... :)
'_Peter_Belt_Morphic_Link_Paper_Clips_(PDF)_'
(http://www.pwbelectronics.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/PWB-Morphic-Link-Paper-Clips.pdf)
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Archimago wrote:
>
> So the dude measures distortion levels in a 16-bit format at -65dB. Very
> low level! So he's basically only using the lowest 6-bits! Is that what
> they did? And given that CD players / DACs in 1985 were incapable of
> full 16-bit accuracy, it looks bad with at best 36dB
arnyk wrote:
> "Noel admitted that just stating that CD had 40% distortion was about as
> meaningful as trying to say that it had negligible distortion, but he
> pointed out that digital differs in one vital way from analogue. And
> thats in the fact that with analogue, as the signal level gets
Julf wrote:
> Heh, yes... "These were exciting, ground-breaking and pioneering days in
> hi-fi. Linn and Naim were the first manufacturers to talk about music.
> How a system has to swing, have rhythm. They talked about their systems
> only in terms of music not treble, bass and midrange."
Julf wrote:
> I am simply using an established term describing the 1980's Linn/Naim
> enthusiasts.
>
> http://www.hifiplus.com/articles/the-new-flat-earth/
They even had their own magazine for a brief time:
"'_The_Flat_Response_'
It seems somehow appropriate to link to that favorite old usenet song,
"'*_The_Lurkers_Support_Me_in_Email_*'
(http://www.jowaltonbooks.com/poetry/whimsy/the-lurkers-support-me-in-email/)",
sung to the tune of "My Bonny Lies Over the Ocean".
Mnyb wrote:
> Cheers for that :)
The glory days of Squeezebox. :) Actually, LMS has never been better.
I'm loving the random albums feature of 7.9.
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Here's Sean's original post in this very forum (from my bookmarks). :)
'_Sean_Adams'_Response-O-Matic_'
(http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?35150-SB3-interference-due-to-titanium-dental-implant=200910#post200910)
Many of the exalted high-end gurus have an interesting story associated
with them. They tend to be "child prodigies" who have been designing
audio equipment since the age of 12 or so, yet never managed to obtain a
degree in engineering, physics or mathematics. This failure is seen as
an
ralphpnj wrote:
So someone else besides me called them clowns :) (By them I'm
referring to the editors and writers of all the high end audio, aka
audiophile, magazines and web sites.)
I see that line of argument a lot. Here's a
'*_funny_example_of_a_sarcastic_response_*'
Julf wrote:
The I am right and you are wrong principle, perhaps? :)
OK, more seriously, I think it stems from the 'Galileo_Gambit'
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_fallacy#Galileo_Gambit)
variation of 'association fallacy'
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_fallacy)
Or,
Perfect! LOL.
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Mnyb wrote:
Let's measure an audio note DAC voodoo design galore:P and also some
modern home theater amp the complex functionality of those makes
mistakes likly software bugs etc.
Don't get me started on non-oversampling DACs!
There's an obsolete chip made by Philips, the TDA1541A, that's
Gandhi wrote:
Bury most of your face in pillows and read with eyes half-closed! You
have been warned.
http://www.stereophile.com/content/zanden-5000-mkivsignature-da-converter-2000-premium-cd-transport-measurements
Wow, the measurements of that DAC really suck! A bargain at $15,470! :D
Archimago wrote:
But when they start courting companies like Synergistic, Nordost, or
(for the most part) AudioQuest where the products they make are either
without merit or borderline insane, then we have real problems if the
magazine feels it has to cater to them and put in a good word...
ralphpnj wrote:
Come on gentlemen please tell me exactly what difference Stereophile's
holy measurements make? If the equipment under review and measurement
sounds great to the reviewer but has terrible measurements then JA (aka
clown in chief) writes some nonsense about how just because the
ralphpnj wrote:
As you said in the early days CD not only were they rather expensive but
many times they sounded quite unpleasant, especially all those poorly
mastered and hastily released CD versions of analog recordings. Heck in
those days the record companies often just digitized the
Mnyb wrote:
Linn is a very good example on marketing on the slightly shady side .
they discovered that the source component was the most important
part of an audio system , while in the beginning they did nothing but
said source component the LP12 :) so now you where to place a
Mnyb wrote:
The really stupid part is that I'm a person who should know better being
an electrical engineer ...
Same here! In fact, I decided to get into EE because of my interest in
the hobby back in the 1970s.
Mnyb wrote:
i think my own involvement in the general sceptic movement
ralphpnj wrote:
Hey wait a minute I also have a Linn LP12 turntable and it WAS one of
the best audio purchases I ever made. Here's why - back in the late
1980s and throughout the 1990s while everyone was busy getting rid of
their LPs and (re)buying everything on CD because of the Linn my
Yes, I realize I am preaching to the choir here.
I also read the audiophool forums like Audio Asylum though, mostly for
amusement purposes. Stereophile has been loudly and preemptively
proclaiming this Chinese Wall thing for years, more so than the other
publications. In the audiophool
There's recently been some entertaining fallout as a result of Sam
Tellig having quit Stereophile. It seems that for many years now,
Stereophile has claimed to have a Chinese Wall between advertising and
editorial departments. A Google search (via '_this_LMGTFY_link_'
Gandhi wrote:
Interesting. I have read the PDF files and must say that most of his
points och conclusions are quite surprising to me. It's not how I have
interpreted other sources. I'm not questioning him, he seems to have
done his homework, I'm just surprised. His views are also very
Gandhi wrote:
I'd like to, but dare not use subwoofers. I have a neighbor with such a
contraption and this buildning clearly wasn't constructed with that in
mind. I don't want to stress my neighbors more that I already do. And I
do. But just for adding to my brainweight, or in case I move
My understanding from reading the paper and Toole's book is that
reflections from the front and back walls may not be beneficial for
giving the illusion of spaciousness because the reflected components of
the sounds in the left and right ears caused by them are highly
correlated, while the
Gandhi wrote:
Hilarious! Especially that some people actually defend this beep bip
bep!
How does one avoid becoming (even more) cynical with the accumulation of
knowledge? Please let me know.
I have no answer to that, only the workaround of allowing oneself to
value the humor one can
For more on Hovland, see the -Stereophile- article
'_Hovland_Calls_it_Quits_'
(http://www.stereophile.com/content/hovland-calls-it-quits) and their
'_forum_post_referencing_it_'
(http://www.stereophile.com/news/hovland_calls_it_quits/).
One good source of information about psychoacoustics and how it relates
to sound reproduction can be found in '_Floyd_Toole's_book_'
(http://www.amazon.com/Sound-Reproduction-Acoustics-Psychoacoustics-Loudspeakers/dp/0240520092/ref=sr_1_1?s=booksie=UTF8qid=1402868463sr=1-1keywords=floyd+toole)
Just ran across the '_My_Time_At_Hovland_'
(http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/tubes-valves/227913-my-time-hovland-hp-100-lore.html)
thread at diyaudio.com. Funny stuff!
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Pretty crazy stuff!
The Windham hill CDs sound great to me, but I don't like most of the
artists they had. I may get razzed for this, but I will admit to liking
Michael Hedges.
BTW, the Fruitlooper General has determined that reading audiophool
forums can be hazardous to your sanity. :D
Julf wrote:
In that case, I nominate all of Computer Audiophool.
One of my favorite posts over there is '_this_one_by_Cookie_Marenco_'
(http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f13-audiophile-downloads/sound-better-uncompressed-downloaded-files-6158/#post70764),
in which she claims that sound quality
ralphpnj wrote:
On the other hand, in the world of high end audio things (devices,
ideas, beliefs, etc.) that are quite clearly fruitloopy come along on an
almost daily basis and so I'm launching this official list so that we
can keep track of the all the audio fruitloopery out there.
Well, since I left out the word quantum in my last post, I'll try to
make up for that by linking to the '_Synergistic_Research_Quantum_Fuse_'
(http://www.synergisticresearch.com/featured/new-category-synergistic-research-quantum-fuses-furutech-hifituningsupreme-fuses/)
page. :)
Synergistic
Awesome article. Fruitloopery indeed, LOL!
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Can 7.8.0 be made to work with the '_magical_firmware_15_'
(http://lmgtfy.com/?q=%22firmware+15%22+site%3Aaudiocircle.com)? :D
(I used LMGTFY just to avoid temporary URLs)
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Clowntime is -never- over in audio-tard land. BTW, -even if- the
ludicrous rest of the world claim were true, it's -argumentum ad
populum- anyway.
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The level of bulls--- in high end audio is an always-increasing
function. So if you thought it couldn't get worse, remember that
tomorrow is another day! :D
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Peter Galbavy wrote:
the customers reviews for the (in)famous Denon Link cable are wonderful
to read:
http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AKDL1-Dedicated-Link-Cable/dp/B000I1X6PM
Yes, it is just a piece of shielded Cat5e cable with Denon printed on
it. For $500.
And the Accoutrements Horse
ralphpnj wrote:
Hopefully you came full circle and along the way picked up some nice
sounding audio equipment. In addition I hope that people reading these
anti-audiophile threads understand that no one here is against well made
decent sounding reasonably priced equipment. What I and many
ralphpnj wrote:
You guys have it backwards - one has to be either smoking, drinking or
just plain on something in order to believe all their BS. In other
words, the last thing any audiophile who believes in this nonsense needs
is more drugs!
Speaking of which, be sure to check out the TAS
In other news, Peter Belt's P.W.B. Electronics Cream Electret (WTF?)
made the
'_Stereophile_Recommended_Components_List_in_the_miscellaneous_category_'
(http://www.stereophile.com/content/2013-recommended-components-miscellaneous).
ralphpnj wrote:
Once one is wrapped in the cloak of subjectivity (made by the same
tailor who made the emperor's new clothes) there is no limit as to the
nonsense who can publish and the profits to be made. The audio rags
praise and recommend this worthless junk. Then the worthless junk is
garym wrote:
Oh my! this entire page of misc components (posted above) is just
unbelievable. If one was trying to create a humor page (ala The Onion)
regarding fake, stupid audiophool stuff, they couldn't do better than
this page and the writeup of each item.
Archimago, this was a very well-written and well-reasoned article.
Thanks for posting it.
However, if one were to write a letter to the editor about it, the
letter might be based on an assumption that the authors of the HFN RR
article are behaving in an ethical fashion, and that the issue is
Archimago, I see you've been '*_recognized_by_JRiver_*'
(http://www.jriver.com/jplay.html) :).
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It's worthwhile to understand the nature of the pro-Jplay cranks. For
instance, one major crank feels that reality does not
'*_consort_with_his_epistemology*_'
(http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/isolation/messages/7030.html) LOL.
Another, who has insulted Julf, implying that he does not
It's weird that Oppo decided to support DSD when they still don't do
DLNA gapless. Seems like messed up priorities to me.
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Thanks Andy for the link to that most amusing video. Is that the same
Mr. Smith from the Matrix movies because they sure do look very similar.
Somebody posted that to the Stereophile forum a few years back, and I
enjoyed it very much. I haven't seen The Matrix, but I
ralphpnj wrote:
And I also saw this review linked in the above thread:
http://www.audiostream.com/content/audioquest-ethernet-cables - very
upsetting since Mr. Lavorgna now seems to have drank about 200 gallons
of very potent audiophile Kool-Aid. Too bad since in the early days of
My philosophy is similar to that of Mr. Smith in
'*_this_1957_hi-fi_video_*' (http://archive.org/details/HowtoLis1957).
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Thanks for the video, Andy! Fantastic :-) Just watching it right now.
By hearing them use the term high fidelity rather than generic terms
like audiophile quality makes the discussion seem more meaningful to
me.
My favorite part is the studio scene at 1:03. ...and
AndyN wrote:
If I understand correctly; for the Nyquist sampling to result in a
perfectly reconstructible waveform (at the receiving end) the sampled
waveform must be repetitive and the waveform must be sampled for a
period that is long in comparison to the waveform.
The requirement for
SBGK wrote:
life's too short to listen to mp3, who records/mixes/masters in mp3 ?
I doubt that any audiophile type would save their own personal
collection to MP3. That said, when I want to discover new music (and
who doesn't?), I listen to internet radio, which is almost exclusively
MP3.
I don't think I've ever read that forum. I have read the
'_*alternative_Hoffman_forum*_'
(http://stereocentral.tv/phpbb/index.php) though :D.
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Soulkeeper wrote:
Which makes me wonder, is there one single person in the I defragged my
neighbor's cousin's wristwatch and now my system sounds 100x better
crowd who has ever tried to stand behind a mixing console? Or record an
original musical sound track on any system?
Well, there is
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will be
transparent in all but the most extreme of cases. I haven't tried it
with really crazy types of files like Tom Danley's fireworks recordings
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if
you're looking at Denon and buying online, go to their list of
authorized online dealers and call several of them for the best price.
I also recommend checking AVS forum as they have lots of tidbits of
inside info such as this.
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message files
for posting.
uuencode and base64 sound waaay better than yEnc. :D
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Mnyb;693864 Wrote:
Which font was used on the newsgroup any serifs would add a peculiar
edge on stuff :D
I use only monospaced fonts when reading newsgroups, as the uniform
spacing between bytes reduces jitter considerably! :D
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audibility of USB cables, but on the other, you claim that
there is nothing to prove. Either way is fine with me, but you can't
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://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_memory) claims of homeopathy
advocates. The homeopathy people even claimed the effect could be
transmitted over phone lines :-).
Sounds like a tweak from a well-known audiophile fraudster.
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No, it is unbiased. See Figure 2.14.
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double standard
regarding harmonic distortion. If a cap has distortion levels in the
ppm range, it seems to cause all kinds of hand-wringing. Yet for tube
power amps with upwards of 1 percent THD, the distortion is routinely
dismissed as benign.
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There's an 'interview with Audio Note's Peter Qvortrup'
(http://hifi-unlimited.blogspot.com/2010/05/10-qs-for-peter-qvortrup-of-audio-note.html)
by a Malaysian blogger that I found quite funny :-).
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and red herring, avoiding
much of any substantive discussion of his actual views.
I find his views to be a bit extreme on the objectivist side, but I
also find that aspect of his writing to be a refreshing counterpoint to
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(http://theaudiocritic.com/back_issues/The_Audio_Critic_17_r.pdf). The
link is a PDF file. The followup article by Jeff Corey is very good
too.
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My all-time favorite is '*danceable cables*'
(http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue32/anjou.htm), which of course
gets back to the tag line of this forum.
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it appears the error signal they're seeing is just from inaccurate
computation of the delay between the two signals. They're trying to
reinvent the freeware DiffMaker and doing a much poorer job. Whether
this is deliberate or not I'll leave up to you.
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healing power of whistling\'
(http://www.jasonserinus.com/pages/healing.html). Unreal!
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LOL!
http://www.audiocircle.com/circles/index.php?topic=64328.0
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(which can be due to errors of the capacitor that are entirely linear
in nature, such as ESR and ESL), and hysteresis in the D-E
characteristic (which would result in distortion).
A better article on capacitor nonlinearities is by Cyril Bateman in
Electronics World.
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full scale setting of my multimeter.
So the possible ground loop problem is a non-issue with standard
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Ronald McDonald is a clown?
Yes, but he is a rogue clown, not a legitimate one. There is a strict
hierarchy within the clown community :-).
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Real audiophiles on AA vs. audiophile poseurs on AC. Kind of like
saying Ronald McDonald isn't a -real- clown like Bozo was.
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been spamming
his software over a bunch of audiophile forums, and I called him on it.
His post has apparently been deleted (and rightfully so I think),
making it appear as if my post is responding to yours, which it
wasn't.
So please carry on :-).
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Sean, you are a patient man. As a person that's deeply skeptical about
the typical audiophile stuff, I'm grateful that there are still some
folks in the audiophile biz that have not abandoned rationality.
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I'm sure it
will be trotted out by the usual suspects for some time to come.
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with the swapped dots is electrically
equivalent to the original.
The entire start of the winding and end of the winding concept is
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figure 3 on this page:
http://www.dself.dsl.pipex.com/ampins/groundloops/grndloop.htm#cap
But I haven't seen anyone provide evidence of improved audio
performance from doing this - only anecdotal evidence.
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voltage in some cases.
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to see some system noise measurement
that demonstrates that the tweak works though. There's so many
audiophile old wives' tales floating around it's hard not to be
skeptical.
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Skunk;185385 Wrote:
Luckily I just came across this* post by AndyC on cableAsylum. I wonder
if he and AndyC772 (here), are the same real person?
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them.
Nice work Ben, especially on the level matching. It's neat that your
BAT preamp has individual level controls for the inputs. I had heard
of this with home theater processors, but I didn't realize that any
high end audio preamps had this feature.
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Here is the link:
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