Mnyb;360162 Wrote:
Nonreality, id you ever submit a bug on this ?
Is it still open, this is the kind of bug I want to vote on.
I did but it got put with another bug on soundcheck that had nothing to
do with it. That bug was declared fixed but not this problem. I tried a
couple of times to
DeVerm;358577 Wrote:
Hmm.. you're hitting a big void in my knowledge what tags exactly
are we talking about? I know track album gain but what are
soundcheck tags?
cheers
Nick.
Itunes version of replay gain. They have to be different you know. It
adds it as a proprietary comment
Nonreality, id you ever submit a bug on this ?
Is it still open, this is the kind of bug I want to vote on.
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andynormancx;357063 Wrote:
Not forgetting of course that issue with Apple Lossless files where the
replayrain was being applied twice, thus making them sound even less
like the WAV files they were compared to.Yes and not just apple lossless.
Any file that has both soundcheck tags
and
Nonreality;358414 Wrote:
Yes and not just apple lossless. Any file that has both soundcheck tags
and replay gain will add both together and usually if it's a minus will
cause the sound to be much lower. It's an issue with mp3 and apple
files that have both tags. Why SC adds these together
In my personnal installation SC 7.2.1 run under a Mac Mini 2 GHz 2 Go
RAM running Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard)... much more than enough isn't it ?
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vincentyan;318146 Wrote:
Dear GuyDebord,
Please confirm your finding that WAV is better than FLAC in terms of
sound quality. There are folks that are getting serious on this.
Vincent
Such claims have been made many times in the past. Upon further
investigation, they always turned out
opaqueice;357062 Wrote:
Such claims have been made many times in the past. Upon further
investigation, they always turned out to be:
1) not audible in a blind test, hence almost certainly the result of
expectation bias, or
2) the result of replay gain. WAV files do not have replay
Hi all,
I'm using a SB Duet that use my ALAC iTunes library located on a Mac
Mini (used as both server mediacenter) running Leopard latest
iTunes + Quicktime releases.
I use my Duet with an external DAC (embedded in my CAIRN FOG3 CD
Player) and not using the analog RCA outputs.
I just try to
I'm way far from able to test anything but couldn't it be that the
ALACFLAC conversion on SC has a problem? What kind of hardware OS
does the SC run on? A NAS without FPU? Many variables.
p.s. GuyDebord, I'm from Rotterdam too! ;-)
cheers,
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Dear GuyDebord,
Please confirm your finding that WAV is better than FLAC in terms of
sound quality. There are folks that are getting serious on this.
Vincent
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GuyDebord;316806 Wrote:
I just changed the settings in squeeze center to ALAC-WAV and I couldnt
believe the difference, .
thank you very much for this posting. I made the same exciting sound
experience you describe with my recently purchased transporter, when I
played for the first time AIFF
jgs;316821 Wrote:
What were your settings before (that weren't so good)?
ALAC - FLAC
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I just changed the settings in squeeze center to ALAC-WAV and I couldnt
believe the difference, I still cant believe it, already did blind
comparisons with my wife helping change the squeeze center settings and
It was clearer than water from Swiss springs.
The bass tightened, the highs became
GuyDebord;316806 Wrote:
I just changed the settings in squeeze center to ALAC-WAV and I couldnt
believe the difference
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vincentyan;316197 Wrote:
Here is what I did: convert a song of Apple Lossless in iTunes to AIFF,
WAV, and MP3 (iTunes doesn't support FLAC so I can't test FLAC). The
resulting 3 files are .aif, .wav, and .mp3. Play them with
SqueezeCenter. I can only FF/RW the MP3 song, not the AIFF nor
jgs;316382 Wrote:
FYI, I went ahead and opened bug 8620
(http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8620) analogous to bug
571, to request FF/RW support for Apple Lossless.
... and it got dup'd and bug 571 updated to encompass Apple Lossless,
which is fine. I also noticed another relevant
vincentyan;315962 Wrote:
How do you fast forward/rewind AIFF files in the Squeezebox 3?
Isn't it very easy to convert Apple Lossless to AIFF, WAVE, or FLAC
when you need?
You can not FF/RW any transcoded format on the SB. Only native formats
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AIFF is native, but how can I fastforward on SB3? I couldn't find the
button in Squeezecenter. It would be quite nice if I can fastforward
and rewind.
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vincentyan;316018 Wrote:
AIFF is native, but how can I fastforward on SB3? I couldn't find the
button in Squeezecenter. It would be quite nice if I can fastforward
and rewind.
Apple Aiff is not native to the SB - it's transcoded using MOV123 (or
FAAD if you have installed that).
You can't
Phil Leigh;316026 Wrote:
Apple Aiff is not native to the SB - it's transcoded using MOV123 (or
FAAD if you have installed that).
My File Types screen in SC says that AIFF is native.
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Yes, it will. Yes, all of them. Yes, SoftSqueeze as well. What ?
I SAID ALL OF THEM !
andynormancx;316028 Wrote:
My File Types screen in SC says that AIFF is native.
It is not. Only native formats that the SB and Transporter currently
support is mp3,flac, and wav. Note that the original SB does NOT have
native flac support and the Slimp3 only supports mp3 native.
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m1abrams;316035 Wrote:
It is not. Only native formats that the SB and Transporter currently
support is mp3,flac, and wav. Note that the original SB does NOT have
native flac support and the Slimp3 only supports mp3 native.
The wiki doesn't agree with you:
I think we are getting confused about the file formats...
what extension are your files?
If they are .AIF then these are AIFF files that are handled natively.
If they are .m4a files (or other Apple variants) then these are NOT
handled natively and are transcoded via MOV123 etc.
(or ALAC for
m1abrams;316035 Wrote:
It is not. Only native formats that the SB and Transporter currently
support is mp3,flac, and wav. Note that the original SB does NOT have
native flac support and the Slimp3 only supports mp3 native.
Not quite. SB2+ supports the following natively (without
Thanks for the tip. My AIFF files do have the extension of m4a (so they
are not native AIFF files?). I then go to WAV: file type is .WAV and
shown in iTunes as WAV type. Still can't find how to FF/RW in SB3.
How does it work?
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Phil Leigh;316048 Wrote:
Not quite. SB2+ supports the following natively (without transcoding):
File Format Stream Format
AIFF AIFF
FLAC FLAC
MP3 MP3
WAV WAV
WMA WMA
Ogg Vorbis Ogg Vorbis
Wow, did they add more support after initial
vincentyan;316075 Wrote:
Thanks for the tip. My AIFF files do have the extension of m4a (so they
are not native AIFF files?). I then go to WAV: file type is .WAV and
shown in iTunes as WAV type. Still can't find how to FF/RW in SB3.
How does it work?
If they are .m4a they are not aiff
vincentyan;315962 Wrote:
How do you fast forward/rewind AIFF files in the Squeezebox 3?
Isn't it very easy to convert Apple Lossless to AIFF, WAVE, or FLAC
when you need?
Sounds like you've gotten your answer with regard to fast
forwarding/rewinding AIFFs. (Summary, works with .aif, not
Here is what I did: convert a song of Apple Lossless in iTunes to AIFF,
WAV, and MP3 (iTunes doesn't support FLAC so I can't test FLAC). The
resulting 3 files are .aif, .wav, and .mp3. Play them with
SqueezeCenter. I can only FF/RW the MP3 song, not the AIFF nor the
WAV. Any comment?
It was
opaqueice;192974 Wrote:
That's an extraordinary claimAhem, this is after all the Audiophiles
forum...
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gdg;191951 Wrote:
Hi All,
For years I've been ripping my files to wave using EAC but in the as
my Itune library has grown I've realized that I'd be better off (in
terms of disc space) condolodating my entire library in Itunes. Is
there any risk that I will sacrifice any audio quality if I
iPhone;315886 Wrote:
Just to chime in with my two cents, I think it is a compromise. Not in
the sense that I don't think lossless is lossless, but in the sense
that it is not open source. I don't trust Apple and there are more
layers involved in all process from ripping to playback.
I
GuyDebord;315909 Wrote:
I totally agree with your statement, however, you not trusting and
criticizing apple when your moniker is their logo and your name is
iphone... it just doesnt fit...
Well doesn't that depend? I only use an iPhone because it is the
closest thing to caring a laptop
After going through a similar mental exercise I ended up keeping my
library in AIFF. The down side of Apple Lossless is that you can't
fast forward/rewind it, nor can you with any of the other transcoded
formats. AIFF on the other hand is supported natively, so you can
FFWD/REW (at least as
How do you fast forward/rewind AIFF files in the Squeezebox 3?
Isn't it very easy to convert Apple Lossless to AIFF, WAVE, or FLAC
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Mark Lanctot;195637 Wrote:
You can't have one without the other. A Squeezebox depends on
SlimServer or SqueezeNetwork.
This answers most of your other questions. If you want to play local
files you always need SlimServer. SqueezeNetwork will let you play
Internet content - the only
Just going through the same exercise myself. I have about 100GB of FLAC
files ripped with EAC. I have also created a 192kbps AAC version of the
same library for my iPhone and to carry on my Macbook -- this is about
30GB.
I am looking at a new portable headphone rig (iPod with the iQube
I debated going with flac as well, and tried EAC, foobar, etc - but
ultimately decided to use iTunes and ALAC to simplify the workflow in
adding music to my system. I just have more time to simply listen to
music and think about things other than how many programs I need to use
(and preferences
Sorry,
Noob here. I do not have a squeezebox yet, but planning/preparing for
one. I will not have the slimserver, just the wireless sqeezbox.
I have been experimenting with sbpoweramp to convert CDs to FLAC. The
program so far has been a PITA. When it works it works fine, but only
works
mgh;195633 Wrote:
I will not have the slimserver, just the wireless sqeezbox.
You can't have one without the other. A Squeezebox depends on
SlimServer or SqueezeNetwork.
This answers most of your other questions. If you want to play local
files you always need SlimServer. SqueezeNetwork
For information, the file conversion settings in Slimserver were set to
ALAC-WAV. Not FLAC. I mentioned MP3 only because someone on this forum
once said that I should check that down-converting to MP3 was not taking
place. So, I compared ALAC with WAV, and preferred plain WAV by rather
more
I'm sure all the above is theoretically correct, but I found that
reproduction of Apple Lossless files through the SB3 was noticeably
poorer than WAV or AIFF, even after checking that Slimserver was not
transcoding ALAC to MP3 etc. So, I can understand that ALAC is not a
compromise per se, but
Shuggie;192970 Wrote:
I'm sure all the above is theoretically correct, but I found that
reproduction of Apple Lossless files through the SB3 was noticeably
poorer than WAV or AIFF, even after checking that Slimserver was not
transcoding ALAC to MP3 etc. So, I can understand that ALAC is not
opaqueice;192974 Wrote:
That's an extraordinary claim - my understanding is that SS converts
apple lossless files into WAV *at the server side* before streaming it
to the SB3, and therefore the packets the SB3 receives, and the
processing it has to perform, are *identical* whether your music
opaqueice;192974 Wrote:
That's an extraordinary claim - my understanding is that SS converts
apple lossless files into WAV *at the server side* before streaming it
to the SB3, and therefore the packets the SB3 receives, and the
processing it has to perform, are *identical* whether your music
PhilNYC;192999 Wrote:
It depends on how you have the File Types set up in Slimserver. You can
have it convert Apple Lossless files to either FLAC, MP3, or WAV, and I
believe the default converts it to FLAC.
I do perceive a slight but noticeable improvement in sound quality when
using
opaqueice;193002 Wrote:
The issue here was different - it was whether you hear a difference
between ALAC-WAV and WAV-WAV, or between ALAC-FLAC and WAV-FLAC.
The comment being discussed was an assertion that but I found that
reproduction of Apple Lossless files through the SB3 was
PhilNYC;193011 Wrote:
So the question I had was which File Type was being used when making
this comment...ALAC-FLAC or ALAC-WAV? He just said that he wasn't
using ALAC-MP3, but didn't specify whether he was using FLAC or WAV.
If he was using ALAC-FLAC (the default setting), then the
I don't think itunes supports flac though. You may be better of with
apple lossless. Note that you can't tag wav.
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Apple Lossless (ALAC) is a good compromise to save disk space and to
allow full tagging and artwork. iTunes can work with Wav files and
covert your files to ALAC. The process is completely reversible (at
least that's what I've been told, I haven't tried it). And you can set
your Slimserver to
I've got over 12000 songs in my library so far, and 75% of them are
Apple Lossless. I've seriously considered FLAC encoding because of
Slim's 'native' playback of that format, but just haven't found any
software that tags and maintains my library as well as iTunes does.
Playback is NOT a
Hi All,
For years I've been ripping my files to wave using EAC but in the as
my Itune library has grown I've realized that I'd be better off (in
terms of disc space) condolodating my entire library in Itunes. Is
there any risk that I will sacrifice any audio quality if I use Apple
Lossless files
Why are you keeping your files as WAV - would FLAC not be a better
medium in terms of disk space?
Any lossless format is just that - lossless - so you will not
compromise quality. You will eat up bandwidth on your network as you
will have to stream the ALAC files as WAV's - SB3 does not have
No, as you will have to setup the SlimServer to transcode the ALAC files
on the fly. If you transcode to WAV, the SB will be receiving data
packets identical to your original WAV files. If you transcode to
FLAC, you will save some bandwidth, but since you are already streaming
WAV there is
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