Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Experiments with bi-wire speaker cable

2007-04-27 Thread ErikM
If the Brysons are are stereo amps ( I believe they are) you can do a vertical bi-amp, best of all worlds. -- ErikM ErikM's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7576 View this thread:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Experiments with bi-wire speaker cable

2007-04-09 Thread opaqueice
Again a nice experiment - thanks for posting it! I tried this myself a while back, and like you heard no difference. Those look like pretty sensible cables, so I'm not at all surprised by your results. I think differences in cables and in cable configurations will only show up when the cables

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Experiments with bi-wire speaker cable

2007-04-09 Thread PhilNYC
Ben, any chance you can give this a go with some different music? I'd recommend trying it with something that is studio-recorded (not live) and perhaps with more rhythm/drive. Hotel California is a great test track for some things, but not for others... -- PhilNYC Sonic Spirits Inc.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Experiments with bi-wire speaker cable

2007-04-09 Thread Ben Diss
Sure Phil. It's an easy test to conduct. I think I'll also make up an obviously weak set of jumpers so that I can hear what effect that might have and then be better equipped to hear the difference. What would suggest to use as a test? Something simple? Maybe just a female vocalist or

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Experiments with bi-wire speaker cable

2007-04-09 Thread PhilNYC
Ben Diss;193666 Wrote: What would suggest to use as a test? Something simple? Maybe just a female vocalist or perhaps a guitar solo? -Ben Relative to Hotel California, I'd go the other way...something with more drive/rhythm which requires more bass speed. I think Hotel California does

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Experiments with bi-wire speaker cable

2007-04-09 Thread haunyack
PhilNYC;193677 Wrote: Relative to Hotel California, I'd go the other way...something with more drive/rhythm which requires more bass speed. I think Hotel California does a nice job at exposing changes in things like tonal balance, but it doesn't have much that you can judge things like pace

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Experiments with bi-wire speaker cable

2007-04-09 Thread Rick B .
Have a look at this webpage - there are at least two links with some in-depth articles on bi-wiring: http://www.geocities.com/jonrisch/cables.htm -- Rick B. Rick B.'s Profile:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Experiments with bi-wire speaker cable

2007-04-09 Thread opaqueice
Rick B.;193695 Wrote: Have a look at this webpage - there are at least two links with some in-depth articles on bi-wiring: http://www.geocities.com/jonrisch/cables.htm The first thing I saw at that link: Current Flow Through Bi-Wire Speaker Cables This is a graph of the current flow

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Experiments with bi-wire speaker cable

2007-04-09 Thread Murph
You are correct. there is no electrical difference and certainly no audible difference to be found via bi-wiring speakers. Because the source is still identical, you are sending exactly the same signal to both sets of binding posts. The double set of posts are actually there to satisfy those

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Experiments with bi-wire speaker cable

2007-04-09 Thread TiredLegs
Ben Diss;193556 Wrote: To conduct the tests I first made a set of jumpers using 12 gauge speaker wire soldered to gold plated banana plugs. Test 1: For the first tests, I left the speaker cables attached and only used the jumpers. For test one, I jumpered the negative side only.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Experiments with bi-wire speaker cable

2007-04-09 Thread TiredLegs
Murph;193709 Wrote: You are correct. there is no electrical difference and certainly no audible difference to be found via bi-wiring speakers. Because the source is still identical, you are sending exactly the same signal to both sets of binding posts. The double set of posts are

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Experiments with bi-wire speaker cable

2007-04-09 Thread azinck3
Murph;193709 Wrote: You are correct. there is no electrical difference and certainly no audible difference to be found via bi-wiring speakers. Because the source is still identical, you are sending exactly the same signal to both sets of binding posts. The double set of posts are

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Experiments with bi-wire speaker cable

2007-04-09 Thread PhilNYC
azinck3;193725 Wrote: I'm in complete agreement that biwiring provides no improvement that thicker cables can't provide (which is to say, effectively no improvement unless we're talking extremely long distances or high amperages). Well, I agree that bi-wiring provides no improvement, but

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Experiments with bi-wire speaker cable

2007-04-09 Thread Ben Diss
TiredLegs;193710 Wrote: How long are your speaker cables? Presumably, the effects of bi-wiring (if any audible effects exist) would be more evident the longer the speaker cables. One side is 10 feet and the other is 25 feet. -- Ben Diss 'SB3'

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Experiments with bi-wire speaker cable

2007-04-09 Thread Rick B .
opaqueice;193700 Wrote: No need to read any more. Opaqueice, did you read any further than the 1st page? He seems to get quite involved further in. You have to keep clicking on Link to Next Page to read more. -- Rick B.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Experiments with bi-wire speaker cable

2007-04-09 Thread opaqueice
Rick B.;193748 Wrote: Once the highs and lows have been separated in this fashion, the strong current pulses and surges that a woofer demands when reproducing bass or drums will not interact with the delicate sounds of a flute or cymbal. The magnetic field of the low frequency signals

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Experiments with bi-wire speaker cable

2007-04-09 Thread jfo
Here's some interesting technical info on bi amping with some comments on bi wiring. I too heard no difference in bi wiring but do hear improvements in bi amping my N802's Jim http://www.sound.westhost.com/bi-amp.htm -- jfo

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Experiments with bi-wire speaker cable

2007-04-08 Thread Ben Diss
In another thread, we discussed the merits of biwiring and I offered to do some experiments to determine the audibility of various configurations. I currently have DIY cables made with Carol 12/4 cable. These are terminated on the amp side with locking banana plugs soldered to the cable. On

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Experiments with bi-wire speaker cable

2007-04-08 Thread Ben Diss
To conduct the tests I first made a set of jumpers using 12 gauge speaker wire soldered to gold plated banana plugs. Test 1: For the first tests, I left the speaker cables attached and only used the jumpers. For test one, I jumpered the negative side only. Listening to my favorite test

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Experiments with bi-wire speaker cable

2007-04-08 Thread tyler_durden
That's why they call it buy-wiring. TD -- tyler_durden tyler_durden's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2701 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34318

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Experiments with bi-wire speaker cable

2007-04-08 Thread haunyack
tyler_durden;193565 Wrote: That's why they call it buy-wiring. TD Hee hee ... buy why?-ring . -- haunyack Transporter - Bryston BP20 - BK Reference 200.2 - Vandersteen 3A Signature. haunyack's Profile:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Experiments with bi-wire speaker cable

2007-04-08 Thread empty99
Ben Diss;193556 Wrote: I had my wife alternate having the jumper in and listening without it. I could hear no difference. -Ben But my wife refused to help and immediately went shopping :^)! -- empty99 empty99's