Stop calling them CD Players and call them 4.75 Optical Disk players
and you get another perspective. Those won't be going away for quite a
while I suspect.
Or how about calling a Blu-Ray player a CD Player with extra
features?
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riffer;492265 Wrote:
Stop calling them CD Players and call them 4.75 Optical Disk players
and you get another perspective. Those won't be going away for quite a
while I suspect.
Or how about calling a Blu-Ray player a CD Player with extra
features?
Fair point - I was thinking about
riffer wrote:
Stop calling them CD Players and call them 4.75 Optical Disk players
and you get another perspective.
Well, they are really 120 mm plastic disks.
Or how about calling a Blu-Ray player a CD Player with extra
features?
The simple facts are that while DVD players exploded onto
pfarrell;492347 Wrote:
the future is broadband.
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Amen
;-)
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How ironic that the CD player should die -before- the turntable. Poetic
justice?
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steveinaz;492031 Wrote:
How ironic that the CD player should die -before- the turntable. Poetic
justice?
Not really. Apparently some people still buy Rolex watches...
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You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it
ain't what you'd call minimal...
SB
Phil Leigh;492043 Wrote:
Not really. Apparently some people still buy Rolex watches...
:-)
Injustice it is then...
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DaveWr;491135 Wrote:
I have a third problem with this model - I do not intend to re-purchase
the music I already have, and no service provider is going to provide it
free.
I have a fourth problem: I don't want something to disappear because a
lawyer or revisionist decided to forbid it.
pablolie;491052 Wrote:
I also agree that the future will mean keeping my collection in the
cloud, that is, not having to even host it on a home server. We
basically just buy usage rights and the stuff is always available online
I've got two big problems with this model:
1. You're relying on
I have a third problem with this model - I do not intend to re-purchase
the music I already have, and no service provider is going to provide it
free. It's probably an age thing.
Cloud storage might prove useful for backup, but current pricing and
performance are limiting factors.
Dave
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DaveWr;491135 Wrote:
I have a third problem with this model - I do not intend to re-purchase
the music I already have, and no service provider is going to provide it
free.
Excellent point that I completely missed.
DaveWr;491135 Wrote:
Cloud storage might prove useful for backup
The last
DaveWr wrote:
I have a third problem with this model - I do not intend to re-purchase
the music I already have, and no service provider is going to provide it
free.
What? But the music industry wants to you repurchase and repurchase and
again.
LP, 8-track, cassette, DAT, CD, SACD, remastered
pfarrell;491323 Wrote:
DaveWr wrote:
I have a third problem with this model - I do not intend to
re-purchase
the music I already have, and no service provider is going to provide
it
free.
What? But the music industry wants to you repurchase and repurchase
and
again.
LP,
The points are clearly valid, but will be made obsolete by evolution in
technology and society I claim.
cliveb;491129 Wrote:
1. You're relying on whoever controls the cloud to maintain the
service adequately. What if their bean counters decide to stop hosting
songs that less than X people
DaveWr;491135 Wrote:
I have a third problem with this model - I do not intend to re-purchase
the music I already have, and no service provider is going to provide it
free. It's probably an age thing.
There is no intrisic reason services such as mp3locker couldnt expand
to offer storage of
pfarrell;491323 Wrote:
What? But the music industry wants to you repurchase and repurchase
and
again.
LP, 8-track, cassette, DAT, CD, SACD, remastered CD, etc.
There is a pattern here.
They have other ways too. Keywords: 2009 Beatles remaster on...
Redbook.
If at some point a
I still buy lots of CDs, used and new. I like having something tangible
and semi-permanent. Computer data files have always seemed very
ephemeral to me. I have 25-year old CDs that still play fine.
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bhaagensen;490472 Wrote:
...
Personally I hope and believe that download-based services is only a
pitstop on the way to streaming-based services such as Rhapsody. What is
missing are things like quality, open api's, better library management,
reliability, liner notes etc. But in the end
Phil Leigh;487533 Wrote:
... The future really is download.
I have bought a good 120 albums this year completing various sides of
my collection.
I didn't but one single CD. Every new puchase was downloaded from
Amazon MP3 and Deutsche Grammophon. I think I bought only 2 CDs in
2008.
The
firedog;487816 Wrote:
Amazingly, I read somewhere recently that Vinyl sales were up by 5 times
last year (hard to believe, but apparently true).
I noticed that even cdwow.com - a discount, mainstream, online music
retailer based in Europe - now has a vinyl-section.
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pablolie;490428 Wrote:
I didn't but one single CD. Every new puchase was downloaded from
Amazon MP3 and Deutsche Grammophon. I think I bought only 2 CDs in
2008.
The future has been here for a while. :-D
You are forgetting to think beyond your own - granted big - backyard.
In Denmark,
The new dbpoweramp converter can decode your 20 bit HDCD's to 24bit.
Very nice indeed! The last 4 bits are discarded. I have found the HDCD
sound through the Transporter to be very satisfying when compared to the
16 bit. Ex. Dire Straits hits album in HDCD vs. Brothers in Arms in 16
bit.
Just
Ironically, as a long-term SB user and about to get a Linn DS tomorrow,
I've just bought a CD player. My subscriptions to Gramophone and other
magazines come with free sampler CDs, and ripping these in is just plain
silly - hence a return to the old system.
However, I think that Gramophone
Here's a link to the coverage given to this story by the TAS
http://www.avguide.com/blog/linn-products-announce-the-death-cd
While most of the high end audio publications provide coverage on music
streaming devices and systems, often times with very positive reviews,
their bread and butter
I ran out of shelf space a few days ago, so I pulled the CD player. I
only used it for the first play of a CD. The CD would then enter the
ripping queue and be stored when that was done. I suppose, if I bought
more CD's, this would be a problem. For now, I suppose I will just
build up a queue
riffer;489092 Wrote:
I ran out of shelf space a few days ago, so I pulled the CD player. I
only used it for the first play of a CD. The CD would then enter the
ripping queue and be stored when that was done. I suppose, if I bought
more CD's, this would be a problem. For now, I suppose I
gizek;488672 Wrote:
Red Book, lived long enough because of the simple fact of being first in
bringing completely new physical form of music.
I don't think is was the new physical form so much, but that it was a
demonstrably more robust format. Records and Cassettes were dominant,
and the
FWIW, I do still listen to my CD's on occasion, my Transporter hasn't
completely replaced them. Oddly, I use them in two opposite
environments, in my Big system, when I'm interested in reading the liner
notes (who plays bass on that track, he's amazing, sort of thing), and
in my car on a long
pski;488636 Wrote:
Buh?
I'm betting you have tube amplifiers that make excellent toast.
Bel Canto, actually. Won't even keep the toast warm. :)
I cannot argue with your streaming issue but the source has yet to be
determined.
P
Time will tell. It always does. ;)
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Peter314;487761 Wrote:
I see it more in terms of evolution. Vinyl records have proved the best
way of delivering quality analogue music to the masses, and streaming is
likely to prove the best way of delivering quality digital music.
CD will ultimately go the way of musicassetes, 8-track,
My CD player and all CD's collection died few months ago. Transporter
took their place. I'm sure I will never look back. Now I begin to
collect new things - high resolution music files, like those from
hdtracksdotcom. I wish I could split the cost with someone - just an
idea.
Right to Transporter
gizek wrote:
My CD player and all CD's collection died few months ago. Transporter
took their place. I'm sure I will never look back.
I stopped using an audio CD player at least five years ago, when I got
my first SB1. While the SB1's audio was not audiophile quality, with a
Benchmark DAC1 is
I've been getting a lot of music from an online music retailer called
MusicZeit. They specialize in electronic music by independent artists.
The only other way to get this music in the US is via international
retailers and paying import prices. Lately, that option has become
quite expensive
Phil Leigh;487511 Wrote:
It's bound to be a matter of time before there is a CD revival...
Red Book, DVD-A, or SACD? ;=}
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iPhone;488660 Wrote:
Red Book, DVD-A, or SACD? ;=}
Exactly
The only one from the holy trinity, Red Book, lived long enough
because of the simple fact of being first in bringing completely new
physical form of music. Not speaking of audio quality, it was quite
revolutionary. I think DVD-A
gizek wrote:
I think DVD-A or SACD are (were) its flavors to bring up
some quality.
SACD and DVD-A accidentlally had better quality (potential) but they
were invented specifically because they had DRM. Even today, SACD is
essentially unrippable due to its silly DSD technique.
And of course,
I think that I've played a CD twice in the past year 2 years (since
starting this SB journey).
It's reflex to just rip it first at this point, if I'm going that
route.
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I've considered CD's obsolete for years now. It was 6 years ago that I
last played a CD. The only CD player I had for the last 6 years was the
DVD optical drive in a computer.
But as long as we can't download everything in flac, we still need them
as a means for physical transport of the music.
garym;487581 Wrote:
Of course you'll need to convert the FLAC to mp3 or aac or applelossless
to play on IPOD. But yep, the perfect setup!!!
Now we just need The online music stores finaly stop the awfull MP3
format. That is as much history as the CD player. Let us get the full
quality ALWAYS.
bhaagensen;487607 Wrote:
Well, interestingly enough, in another article (also somewhere at bbc)
Linn also says that they will continue production of turnables. Perhaps
not very surprising, but I find it a peculiar non-linearity in the
evolution of technology :)
I see it more in terms of
bhaagensen;487607 Wrote:
Well, interestingly enough, in another article (also somewhere at bbc)
Linn also says that they will continue production of turnables. Perhaps
not very surprising, but I find it a peculiar non-linearity in the
evolution of technology :)
Amazingly, I read somewhere
firedog;487816 Wrote:
so high quality can be maintained and high prices charged for LP's.
Quality is, indeed, maintained.
However, my local store in France (FNAC) re-opened sales to vinyls (I
hadn't seen vinyls in the store for 15 years!) but the price of -say-
the latest Placebo is actually
I'm sure I predicted this a while ago...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8369666.stm
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You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it
ain't what you'd call minimal...
SB Touch Beta (wired) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W -
MF
Interesting.
It doesn't seem like it was that long ago that you were so cool if you
had a CD player. I got my first one in 1988. That was 21 years ago!!
And then there was the portable CD player - the CD walkman. Then you
were really stylin'.
It all seems so quaint now :-). The portable CD
It's bound to be a matter of time before there is a CD revival...
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You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it
ain't what you'd call minimal...
SB Touch Beta (wired) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W -
MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) -
I think there's always going to be a market for something physical to
own, eg a CD, not digital. Especially for gifts, I can't imagine
emailing somebody an album for a birthday present.
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Here's an idea:
why not a full-size vinyl cover... with a licence inside that lets you
download at 24/96 or whatever
Something for everybody!
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You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it
ain't what you'd call minimal...
SB Touch Beta (wired) - TACT 2.2X
dave77;487514 Wrote:
I think there's always going to be a market for something physical to
own, eg a CD, not digital. Especially for gifts, I can't imagine
emailing somebody an album for a birthday present.
Linn still make DVD players though, I assume they are not phasing those
out
I
dave77;487514 Wrote:
Linn still make DVD players though, I assume they are not phasing those
out
Today, probably not. But DVD is dying too. The BlueRay war was a case
of winning the battle, but losing anyway, they vanquished HD-DVD, but
BlueRay disk sales are not what the studios expected.
The demise of CD players isn't related to the demise of CD's though.
I retired my CD player when I bought my first DVD player... hey, it
plays CD's too, why do I need two things in my cabinet when one will do?
One less remote, too!
The CD sales problem is that most music today has at most 2 hot
snarlydwarf;487528 Wrote:
The CD sales problem is that most music today has at most 2 hot (not
good necessarily, just selling well) tracks on an album, so picking and
choosing them from iTMS or Amazon or wherever is more cost effective:
why spend $10 to $20 on a CD when $2 will get the
It was 9 years since i bought a CD player, it was retired 5 years ago
when i got my Meridian DVD player and processor.
The CD player is redundant in most cases as it only used as a digital
transport DA is taking place in ht recievers or processors.
A high end dvd is quite ok as disc transport
CD ended for me four weeks ago. I finished converting 752 cd's to flac
files with full backup on two external hard drives. Compared the sound
of my Linn Genki by 75 ohm BNC into a Benchmark PRE DAC vs Squeezebox 3
into the DAC. The Genki sounded great as a player and transport but the
Squeezebox
Bob Fifik;487572 Wrote:
Next up will be an iPod to play FLAC files into the car stereo.
Of course you'll need to convert the FLAC to mp3 or aac or
applelossless to play on IPOD. But yep, the perfect setup!!!
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We'll just have to wait a little bit before the mainstream actors (Sony,
Yamaha, Denon, etc) start making network players too, and this will be
the end of the CD players.
As snarlydwarf and others point out, there are very few people buying
CD players nowadays : most people get multi-format
garym;487581 Wrote:
Of course you'll need to convert the FLAC to mp3 or aac or applelossless
to play on IPOD. But yep, the perfect setup!!!
Not if you use RockBox (and you have an mp3 player that is capable of
running it).
http://www.rockbox.org/
Personally I perfer the stock iPod interface
Here is how Guardian newspaper covered the same story ... including this
quote that made me laugh:
The move to streaming sounds a lot like Sonos, I suggested. Ah, but
Sonos is very affordable, he replied - which made me choke a bit: Sonos
kit is hardly what you'd call cheap. But then as the
Phil Leigh;487518 Wrote:
Here's an idea:
why not a full-size vinyl cover... with a licence inside that lets you
download at 24/96 or whatever
Something for everybody!
Well, interestingly enough, in another article (also somewhere at bbc)
Linn also says that they will continue production
I read 2-3 weeks ago, that very few pure stand-alone CD players was
sold in Denmark the last year.
If the trend is the same in other countries, no wonder Linn doesn't
bother to make them anymore.
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