Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bootleg Recordings: Soundboard versus Audience

2015-07-12 Thread garym
atrocity wrote: One thing that fascinates me about some audience recordings is that they may not be all that great in a standard objective sense but what they lack in technical quality they make up for in ambience.. Agree! *Home:* VortexBox 4TB (2.3) LMS 7.8 Transporter, Touch, Boom,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bootleg Recordings: Soundboard versus Audience

2015-07-12 Thread atrocity
ralphpnj wrote: Gary I believe that you are correct and that is my understanding of the label pre-FM in that it was a live recording made for FM broadcast but the pre-FM version is one that is taken from the broadcast source (either a direct soundboard feed or a tape made from the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bootleg Recordings: Soundboard versus Audience

2015-07-08 Thread ralphpnj
garym wrote: Good question. I always assumed this was from the soundboard feed (maybe with some on the fly mixing) that was being delivered to the radio station for broadcast on FM radio. So this would be better than a post FM recording, which would have been broadcast and then recorded

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bootleg Recordings: Soundboard versus Audience

2015-07-07 Thread usc95
The only bootlegs I can pretend to have any real knowlege about are U2 recordings and it can be incredible how much the location of the taper has on the sound of the recording. I was at the show at the Forum in LA on 5/26 and recorded it myself. I was seated in the upper bowl portion and my

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bootleg Recordings: Soundboard versus Audience

2015-07-07 Thread garym
Interesting discussion. I have many non-commercially released recordings (many from archive.org, a legal place for obtaining concert performances). Many of these are Grateful Dead shows. I often find the best of both worlds is a matrix recording where a Soundboard and Audience tape are merged

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bootleg Recordings: Soundboard versus Audience

2015-07-07 Thread ralphpnj
arnyk wrote: Agreed. That can be true or not. Underlying this is probably the idea that the ideal location for microphones and the ideal locations for listeners are the same or at least similar. I did live recordings of band and choir festivals professionally for about 12 years

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bootleg Recordings: Soundboard versus Audience

2015-07-07 Thread arnyk
ralphpnj wrote: Perhaps the reason for this is that a microphone is like an ear but a good recording is like an ear plus a brain that processes (mixes) the sound coming from the ear (microphone) to create a more coherent overall sonic picture. I think that there is no comparison between a

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bootleg Recordings: Soundboard versus Audience

2015-07-07 Thread ralphpnj
Julf wrote: One reason is that our ear-brain combination is very adaptive, and listening in a live situation gives enough clues to allow us to compensate for and filter out some of the conflicting sound - something we can't do once a lot of the clues have been reduced down to one or two

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bootleg Recordings: Soundboard versus Audience

2015-07-07 Thread arnyk
ralphpnj wrote: What I've noticed is that for the most part soundboard and FM recordings usually sound better than even the best audience recordings (and there are many excellent sounding audience recordings available). Agreed. So my question is this: when one is at a concert the

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bootleg Recordings: Soundboard versus Audience

2015-07-07 Thread ralphpnj
The internet has made the collecting of bootleg recordings much easier than ever and over the years I have up many very good recordings with many of these recordings often rivaling in sound quality officially released live recordings. For the most part I tend to stick with what are called

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bootleg Recordings: Soundboard versus Audience

2015-07-07 Thread Julf
ralphpnj wrote: So my question is this: when one is at a concert the sound is often quite good - well balanced and crystal clear with nice high end and good but not over powering bass, however many audience recordings, even those made using top quality microphones and equipment located in a

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bootleg Recordings: Soundboard versus Audience

2015-07-07 Thread dasmueller
A type of recording not mentioned so far is the pre-FM recording, which to be honest I do not truly understand. Many SBD recordings from the late 60's-early 70's that become available these days are of poor quality due to the deterioration of the recording tape. I like garym tend to like matrix

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bootleg Recordings: Soundboard versus Audience

2015-07-07 Thread garym
dasmueller wrote: A type of recording not mentioned so far is the pre-FM recording, which to be honest I do not truly understand. Good question. I always assumed this was from the soundboard feed (maybe with some on the fly mixing) that was being delivered to the radio station for broadcast

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bootleg Recordings: Soundboard versus Audience

2015-07-07 Thread DJanGo
ralphpnj wrote: Why is this the case and what is happening to make the sound captured by the microphone so different from the sound captured by one's ears? just google the real story behind the very first Live Rock Album (or was it the first ever live Rock double Album)? Kiss Alive and even