Re: [aur-general] Deletion of orphaned packages on AUR4

2015-08-12 Thread Justin Dray
On Thu, 13 Aug 2015 14:01 Sam S. sml...@gmail.com wrote: Note that we do keep the Git repositories of deleted packages, so if anybody wants to maintain the package later, he can always clone the repository of the deleted package, fix the package and simply push it afterwards Can you

Re: [aur-general] Deletion of orphaned packages on AUR4

2015-08-12 Thread Sam S.
Note that we do keep the Git repositories of deleted packages, so if anybody wants to maintain the package later, he can always clone the repository of the deleted package, fix the package and simply push it afterwards Can you give some details on that? For example the libtiff4 package

Re: [aur-general] Deletion of orphaned packages on AUR4

2015-08-12 Thread Bruno Pagani
Le 12 août 2015 07:51:28 GMT+02:00, Justin Dray jus...@dray.be a écrit : On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 at 15:37 Rob McCathie korr...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/08/15 13:49, Doug Newgard wrote: In my case, I have some that I'm actively trying to get maintainers for; in the mean time, I'm looking after

Re: [aur-general] Deletion of orphaned packages on AUR4

2015-08-12 Thread Giancarlo Razzolini
Em 12-08-2015 06:05, Lukas Fleischer escreveu: Maybe you could at least add yourself as a co-maintainer for now. Or if you are really *actively* trying to find new maintainers, it probably wouldn't hurt if you were listed as a maintainer until you find somebody. I had some dependencies issues

Re: [aur-general] Deletion of orphaned packages on AUR4

2015-08-12 Thread Sam S.
On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Lukas Fleischer lfleisc...@archlinux.org wrote: Wikipedia defines orphan as [...] a child whose parents are dead or have abandoned them permanently ...but new parents may want to adopt them, if given the opportunity. Deleting *long-time* orphaned

Re: [aur-general] Deletion of orphaned packages on AUR4

2015-08-12 Thread Doug Newgard
On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 11:05:08 +0200 Lukas Fleischer lfleisc...@archlinux.org wrote: I consider this a slight abuse of the orphan/disown functionality. Oh, and I also wanted to point out that this is just one use-case. There are others, such as the v8 package that was recently dropped from

Re: [aur-general] Deletion of orphaned packages on AUR4

2015-08-12 Thread Doug Newgard
On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 11:05:08 +0200 Lukas Fleischer lfleisc...@archlinux.org wrote: I consider this a slight abuse of the orphan/disown functionality. Wikipedia defines orphan as [...] a child whose parents are dead or have abandoned them permanently. In my opinion, orphan packages

Re: [aur-general] Deletion of orphaned packages on AUR4

2015-08-12 Thread DerBaer
So maybe we need to improve the way changing maintainership works. Having a Give up for adoption button (that keeps the current maintainer while allowing anybody to adopt the package) in addition to Disown is one possibility. What is the point of the disown button then, if it does the same

Re: [aur-general] Deletion of orphaned packages on AUR4

2015-08-11 Thread David Phillips
I suppose some may subscribe to the view that if someone wants it badly enough, they'll submit, maintain and stick with it.

Re: [aur-general] Deletion of orphaned packages on AUR4

2015-08-11 Thread Antonio Rojas
David Kaylor dpkay...@gmail.com Wrote in message: - Second, uploading something to AUR4 then immediately orphaning it is stupid. Why not just hold onto it for a while and look for co-maintainers, or a new maintainer? By orphaning, you just became the thinned part of the herd. Just

[aur-general] Deletion of orphaned packages on AUR4

2015-08-11 Thread Rob McCathie
On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 8:30 AM, not...@aur.archlinux.org wrote: Kyrias deleted compiz-gtk-standalone. You will no longer receive notifications about this package. On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 8:32 AM, not...@aur.archlinux.org wrote: Kyrias deleted compiz-xfce. You will no longer receive

Re: [aur-general] Deletion of orphaned packages on AUR4

2015-08-11 Thread David Phillips
A certain TU went around deleting orphaned stuff… won't name them though ;-)

Re: [aur-general] Deletion of orphaned packages on AUR4

2015-08-11 Thread Antonio Rojas
Rob McCathie korr...@gmail.com Wrote in message: Just a query: Why were packages i added to AUR4, ensured were in good working order (and made an enhancement to one of the packages compared to the last release on AUR3), know are used by at least some users, and then orphaned so some

Re: [aur-general] Deletion of orphaned packages on AUR4

2015-08-11 Thread Justin Dray
On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 17:09 Antonio Rojas aro...@archlinux.org wrote: Rob McCathie korr...@gmail.com Wrote in message: Just a query: Why were packages i added to AUR4, ensured were in good working order (and made an enhancement to one of the packages compared to the last release on

Re: [aur-general] Deletion of orphaned packages on AUR4

2015-08-11 Thread Simon Hanna
On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 07:36:53AM +, Justin Dray wrote: On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 17:09 Antonio Rojas aro...@archlinux.org wrote: Rob McCathie korr...@gmail.com Wrote in message: Just a query: Why were packages i added to AUR4, ensured were in good working order (and made an

Re: [aur-general] Deletion of orphaned packages on AUR4

2015-08-11 Thread David Kaylor
On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 8:30 AM, Bruno Pagani bruno.pag...@ens-lyon.org wrote: Well, the first email states Kyrias did this… Le 11 août 2015 10:15:42 GMT+02:00, David Phillips dbphillip...@gmail.com a écrit : A certain TU went around deleting orphaned stuff… won't name them though ;-)

Re: [aur-general] Deletion of orphaned packages on AUR4

2015-08-11 Thread Bruno Pagani
Well, the first email states Kyrias did this… Le 11 août 2015 10:15:42 GMT+02:00, David Phillips dbphillip...@gmail.com a écrit : A certain TU went around deleting orphaned stuff… won't name them though ;-)

Re: [aur-general] Deletion of orphaned packages on AUR4

2015-08-11 Thread Johannes Dewender
Am 11.08.2015 um 14:08 schrieb Simon Hanna: On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 07:36:53AM +, Justin Dray wrote: On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 17:09 Antonio Rojas aro...@archlinux.org wrote: Rob McCathie korr...@gmail.com Wrote in message: Just a query: Why were packages i added to AUR4, ensured were in good

Re: [aur-general] Deletion of orphaned packages on AUR4

2015-08-11 Thread Ivy Foster
On 11 Aug 2015, at 3:48 pm +0200, Johannes Dewender wrote: [snip] I uploaded both to AUR3 and also to AUR4. I maintain the free branch, because I think this is the better variant. Having the original on AUR would be good, so I also updloaded these, but I personally don't want to maintain

Re: [aur-general] Deletion of orphaned packages on AUR4

2015-08-11 Thread Sam S.
Second, uploading something to AUR4 then immediately orphaning it is stupid. Why not just hold onto it for a while and look for co-maintainers, or a new maintainer? By orphaning, you just became the thinned part of the herd. Well, if it's orphaned another potential maintainer who comes across

Re: [aur-general] Deletion of orphaned packages on AUR4

2015-08-11 Thread David Kaylor
On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 11:16 PM, Lukas Fleischer lfleisc...@archlinux.org wrote: Hi, There seems to be quite some confusion about the package migration process and about package deletion. I would like to clarify my point of view. Hopefully it serves as a basis for discussion (i.e. technical

Re: [aur-general] Deletion of orphaned packages on AUR4

2015-08-11 Thread Justin Dray
On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 at 15:37 Rob McCathie korr...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/08/15 13:49, Doug Newgard wrote: In my case, I have some that I'm actively trying to get maintainers for; in the mean time, I'm looking after them even though they are listed as being orphaned. Is this not to be

Re: [aur-general] Deletion of orphaned packages on AUR4

2015-08-11 Thread David Kaylor
On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 5:23 PM, David Phillips dbphillip...@gmail.com wrote: I suppose some may subscribe to the view that if someone wants it badly enough, they'll submit, maintain and stick with it. Exactly.

Re: [aur-general] Deletion of orphaned packages on AUR4

2015-08-11 Thread Lukas Fleischer
Hi, There seems to be quite some confusion about the package migration process and about package deletion. I would like to clarify my point of view. Hopefully it serves as a basis for discussion (i.e. technical discussion without attacking anybody personally). As already mentioned a couple of

Re: [aur-general] Deletion of orphaned packages on AUR4

2015-08-11 Thread David Kaylor
Several notification emails were sent directly rather than via aur-general. Yes, but that isn't the same thing. Being subscribed to the list would (should?) have made people aware of most of the issues surrounding the migration, including the motivations behind it and the expectations of

Re: [aur-general] Deletion of orphaned packages on AUR4

2015-08-11 Thread Rob McCathie
On 12/08/15 13:49, Doug Newgard wrote: In my case, I have some that I'm actively trying to get maintainers for; in the mean time, I'm looking after them even though they are listed as being orphaned. Is this not to be allowed now? Should all orphan packages in the official repos be deleted,

Re: [aur-general] Deletion of orphaned packages on AUR4

2015-08-11 Thread Doug Newgard
On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 05:16:03 +0200 Lukas Fleischer lfleisc...@archlinux.org wrote: Hi, There seems to be quite some confusion about the package migration process and about package deletion. I would like to clarify my point of view. Hopefully it serves as a basis for discussion (i.e.

Re: [aur-general] Deletion of orphaned packages on AUR4

2015-08-11 Thread Justin Dray
On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 07:24 David Phillips dbphillip...@gmail.com wrote: I suppose some may subscribe to the view that if someone wants it badly enough, they'll submit, maintain and stick with it. In my case, I uploaded a perfectly working package for LSI raid controllers, but someone commented

Re: [aur-general] Deletion of orphaned packages on AUR4

2015-08-11 Thread Daniel Micay
Thanks for clarifying your point of view Lukas. I think some AUR maintainers are out-of-the-loop on the migration issues, for one reason or another. I suspect some simply weren't subscribed to this list over the last few months. Several notification emails were sent directly rather than via