Re: [aur-general] TU application from graysky - voting period

2013-03-24 Thread David Benfell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/23/2013 10:23 PM, Don deJuan wrote: From a non TU's perspective D.R. was the only one who could publicly state why greysky should not be a TU, and the rest of the sheeple just followed the old and grumpy man, at least that is public

Re: [aur-general] TU application from graysky - voting period

2013-03-24 Thread Xyne
Don deJuan wrote: There were objections! You consider them not sufficient to leads to this result. Everything that needed to be said has been said. After the voters have made up their minds. Objections were raised and then countered with arguments. If anyone felt that the objections were

Re: [aur-general] TU application from graysky - voting period

2013-03-24 Thread Lukas Jirkovsky
On 24 March 2013 04:42, Xyne x...@archlinux.ca wrote: If a TU has an objection that he cannot support publicly then something is very wrong. The application process should not be some mysterious black box of negative, baseless opinions. If a TU would rather keep an objection to himself than

Re: [aur-general] TU application from graysky - voting period

2013-03-24 Thread member graysky
I unsubscribed from the ML so I'm not 100 % sure that this message will nest itself under Xyne's reply[1]. I would appear to be a polarizing force based on the votes; I wouldn't be comfortable joining the TU group given the more or less 50/50 split reflected in the data. To my supporters, I'd

Re: [aur-general] TU application from graysky - voting period

2013-03-24 Thread Sébastien Luttringer
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 9:43 AM, Xyne x...@archlinux.ca wrote: Don deJuan wrote: There were objections! You consider them not sufficient to leads to this result. Everything that needed to be said has been said. After the voters have made up their minds. Objections were raised and then

Re: [aur-general] TU application from graysky - voting period

2013-03-24 Thread Xyne
Sébastien Luttringer wrote: Objections were raised and then countered with arguments. If anyone felt that the objections were still valid after that then they should have replied with their reasons. That is the point of the discussion period: to discuss the issues and reconsider them in the

Re: [aur-general] TU application from graysky - voting period

2013-03-24 Thread Rashif Ray Rahman
On 25 March 2013 03:30, Xyne x...@archlinux.ca wrote: Sébastien Luttringer wrote: Objections were raised and then countered with arguments. If anyone felt that the objections were still valid after that then they should have replied with their reasons. That is the point of the discussion

Re: [aur-general] TU application from graysky - voting period

2013-03-24 Thread Connor Behan
On 24/03/13 12:30 PM, Xyne wrote: Sébastien Luttringer wrote: Objections were raised and then countered with arguments. If anyone felt that the objections were still valid after that then they should have replied with their reasons. That is the point of the discussion period: to discuss

Re: [aur-general] TU application from graysky - voting period

2013-03-24 Thread Daniel Micay
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Rashif Ray Rahman sc...@archlinux.org wrote: The current (majority) voting system is fine -- making decisions based on consensus agreement is not a suitable method for the TU selection process (it would needlessly raise the bar for something that is not a

Re: [aur-general] TU application from graysky - voting period

2013-03-24 Thread Eric Waller
I have tried to stay out of this in that I am not a TU and my input carries no official weight. I am, however, a moderator on the forums and a professional with significant experience in the field of trust, so I hope you give me some creed. I find your argument to have no basis in fact and to be

Re: [aur-general] TU application from graysky - voting period

2013-03-24 Thread Daniel Micay
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 8:04 PM, Eric Waller ewwal...@gmail.com wrote: I have tried to stay out of this in that I am not a TU and my input carries no official weight. I am, however, a moderator on the forums and a professional with significant experience in the field of trust, so I hope you

Re: [aur-general] TU application from graysky - voting period

2013-03-23 Thread Xyne
Xyne wrote: The discussion period for graysky's application is over. It's time for the TUs to vote: https://aur.archlinux.org/tu/?id=68 The voting period has ended. The finally tally was yes: 12 no: 14 abstain: 4 Quorum has been met. I am sorry to announce that the application has been

Re: [aur-general] TU application from graysky - voting period

2013-03-23 Thread member graysky
On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 1:51 PM, Xyne x...@archlinux.ca wrote: Xyne wrote: The discussion period for graysky's application is over. It's time for the TUs to vote: https://aur.archlinux.org/tu/?id=68 The voting period has ended. The finally tally was yes: 12 no: 14 abstain: 4 Quorum has

Re: [aur-general] TU application from graysky - voting period

2013-03-23 Thread SanskritFritz
On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 7:01 PM, member graysky gray...@archlinux.uswrote: Thanks for supporting the application, Xyne, and to those who participated in the subsequent discussion. I was really happy to have read the kind words from some of the the non-TUs who posted in support of me as

Re: [aur-general] TU application from graysky - voting period

2013-03-23 Thread Ike Devolder
Op zaterdag 23 maart 2013 17:51:42 schreef Xyne: Xyne wrote: The discussion period for graysky's application is over. It's time for the TUs to vote: https://aur.archlinux.org/tu/?id=68 The voting period has ended. The finally tally was yes: 12 no: 14 abstain: 4 Quorum has been met. I

Re: [aur-general] TU application from graysky - voting period

2013-03-23 Thread Christos Nouskas
On 23 March 2013 19:51, Xyne x...@archlinux.ca wrote: The voting period has ended. The finally tally was yes: 12 no: 14 abstain: 4 Quorum has been met. I am sorry to announce that the application has been rejected. I certainly didn't see this coming: I can't believe so many TUs voted NO

Re: [aur-general] TU application from graysky - voting period

2013-03-23 Thread Lukas Jirkovsky
On 23 March 2013 17:51, Xyne x...@archlinux.ca wrote: @TUs Voting no rather than abstaining indicates that you have reasons to reject the candidate. These should have been brought up during the discussion period. If they are valid then other TUs should be made aware of them and take them

Re: [aur-general] TU application from graysky - voting period

2013-03-23 Thread Stefan Husmann
Am 23.03.2013 18:51, schrieb Xyne: Xyne wrote: The discussion period for graysky's application is over. It's time for the TUs to vote: https://aur.archlinux.org/tu/?id=68 The voting period has ended. The finally tally was yes: 12 no: 14 abstain: 4 Quorum has been met. I am sorry to

Re: [aur-general] TU application from graysky - voting period

2013-03-23 Thread Xyne
Lukas Jirkovsky wrote: On 23 March 2013 17:51, Xyne x...@archlinux.ca wrote: @TUs Voting no rather than abstaining indicates that you have reasons to reject the candidate. These should have been brought up during the discussion period. If they are valid then other TUs should be made aware

Re: [aur-general] TU application from graysky - voting period

2013-03-23 Thread Sébastien Luttringer
On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 6:51 PM, Xyne x...@archlinux.ca wrote: Xyne wrote: @TUs The discussion period for this application was relatively short with very few participating TUs. The only real objections were raised by Dave (who even admitted that he may be old and grumpy) and they were

Re: [aur-general] TU application from graysky - voting period

2013-03-23 Thread Don deJuan
On 03/23/2013 09:59 PM, Sébastien Luttringer wrote: On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 6:51 PM, Xyne x...@archlinux.ca wrote: Xyne wrote: @TUs The discussion period for this application was relatively short with very few participating TUs. The only real objections were raised by Dave (who even admitted