Re: [Aus-soaring] [gfaforum] L2 Independent Ops

>It does. It gives you level 1. "The Club of a person exercising Level 1 Independent Operator privileges is responsible for that person’s operations, even when the person is operating independently" That alone means it isn't in the same tier as a PPL / RAA cert / Drivers license / Boating

Re: [Aus-soaring] [gfaforum] L2 Independent Ops

> seems that so far, we not found anyone one that can answer the key > questions below > > I'm not an instructor, but I would say to ensure that low hour pilots continue to demonstrate and develop the competencies required to fly a glider. > Are there any reasons why the GPC should not train

Re: [Aus-soaring] [gfaforum] L2 Independent Ops

seems that so far, we not found anyone one that can answer the key questions below > I would be very interested to hear from any CFI's on the list as to what are > the risks being mitigated by having both L1 and L2 ops in place. How does > having a L2 instructor around help mitigate with those

Re: [Aus-soaring] L2 Independent Ops

On 11 February 2017 at 14:39, Mike Borgelt wrote: > ​I a​ > m talking about very poor judgement/ability on the part of the people who > are meant to be doing the supervising. > > Who guards the guardians? > Quite some time ago an Australian Air Force crew

Re: [Aus-soaring] L2 Independent Ops

I'm talking about very poor judgement/ability on the part of the people who are meant to be doing the supervising. Who guards the guardians? Mike At 02:21 PM 2/11/2017, you wrote: On 11 February 2017 at 14:05, Mike Borgelt

Re: [Aus-soaring] [gfaforum] L2 Independent Ops

I'm told that when emergency services attend a road crash involving young people they routinely check the boot for occupants. Some of the restrictions may be counter productive. Yes, a few years ago was talking to a young bloke who was helping out at Aerotec and two hours later he was dead

Re: [Aus-soaring] L2 Independent Ops

Interesting little anomaly: Supervised driving hours 40 hours: 16-year-old crash rates 21 percent lower 50 hours: 16-year-old crash rates 15 percent lower Note also this study applies to very young drivers, not older more mature adults. Mike Borgelt Instruments - design & manufacture

Re: [Aus-soaring] L2 Independent Ops

On 11 February 2017 at 14:05, Mike Borgelt wrote: > When will the carnage end? > ​When people decide to be sensible. No amount of training will mitigate against poor judgment at a particular instance in time. Bruce Taylor, cleary a glider pilot with loads of

Re: [Aus-soaring] [gfaforum] L2 Independent Ops

There is, most certainly good evidence for the effectiveness of supervision as a driving risk mitigation approach, and quite a lot of it (speaking as a road safety researcher). That's one part of what's been behind the evolution of the modern Australian graduated driver licensing system - more

Re: [Aus-soaring] [gfaforum] L2 Independent Ops

I suppose you are an instructor? Mike At 01:57 PM 2/11/2017, you wrote: ​So there is an actual evidence to show this, properly corrected for variables that may have also produced this results. Better cars, roads come to mind, I am sure there are others. Are there less accidents

Re: [Aus-soaring] L2 Independent Ops

Sorry, there was a word wrong in previous post. That Beverley accident isn't just negligence or poor behaviour on the part of the instructor. In a heirarchical system like the GFA commands come down from on high and responsibility flows upwards. The instructor appears to have been

Re: [Aus-soaring] [gfaforum] L2 Independent Ops

Interesting, but potentially meaningless as the study acknowledges that the it cannot differentiate between the many limitations that have been applied at the same time. Given the information from the study below, is 100 hours counter productive? Supervised driving 40 hours: ■ 16-year-old crash

Re: [Aus-soaring] L2 Independent Ops

That Beverley accident isn't just negligence or poor behaviour on the part of the instructor. In a heirarchical system like the GFA commands come down from on high and responsibility flows upwards. The instructor appears to have been negligent. What about the club instructor panel to whom

Re: [Aus-soaring] [gfaforum] L2 Independent Ops

The local policeman got me to drive him around the block the day I turned 16 and after that I was an independent operator and passenger rated. :-) -Original Message- From: Al Borowski Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 12:58 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in

Re: [Aus-soaring] [gfaforum] L2 Independent Ops

I don't think this is strictly true, in Qld at least - "If you are under 25 you will need to record at least 100 hours of supervised driving ". Driving with a professional instructor counts for triple for the first ten hours. L2 requires 100 hours of /Command/ time, and power time only counts for

Re: [Aus-soaring] [gfaforum] L2 Independent Ops

Since people insist on making a car licence analogy, you require 20 hours MORE to be issued a car licence than an L2. On Saturday, February 11, 2017, Richard Frawley wrote: > as a holder of a PPL as well, I agree. If there is extra training needed > in the GPC syllabus then

Re: [Aus-soaring] L2 Independent Ops

as a holder of a PPL as well, I agree. If there is extra training needed in the GPC syllabus then so be it. If on the annual check there are a few more things to tick off as well that is also fine. I would be very interested to hear from any CFI's on the list as to what are the risks being

Re: [Aus-soaring] L2 Independent Ops

On 11 Feb 2017, at 4:19 AM, Jim Staniforth wrote: > > Many of us thought that the GPC was going to give holders responsibility for > themselves. > Perhaps some situations where people felt they were under an instructor's > "control" only happened because the instructor

Re: [Aus-soaring] L2 Independent Ops

Many of us thought that the GPC was going to give holders responsibility for themselves. Perhaps some situations where people felt they were under an instructor's "control" only happened because the instructor was concerned about legal liability under the present rules. Seems an unnecessary

Re: [Aus-soaring] L2 Independent Ops

I'd like to see the GPC give the same rights as L2 Independent Ops, but only require a checkride to maintain it (just like PPL/RAA) instead of being reliant on a CFI's annual blessing. If a GPC pilot isn't considered good enough to be responsible for their own actions, something is terribly wrong