Re: [Aus-soaring] Loss of control accidents

2016-07-18 Thread Mike Borgelt
Has it occurred to you to ask yourself what the curved approach avoids? What about it might prevent the stall/spin on entry to or during the "well banked turns"? If the US Navy considers it easier to "hit the boat" from a curved approach why their thinking is wrong? Glider approaches aren't

Re: [Aus-soaring] Loss of control accidents

2016-07-18 Thread DMcD
It's OK and normal for gliders to not fly a square circuit pattern here in Australia. Quotes… "The BGA circuit comprises a diagonal leg between downwind and base that allows the pilot to constantly monitor the aiming point. Previous GFA Operations Panel decisions affirmed that the diagonal leg is

Re: [Aus-soaring] Loss of control accidents

2016-07-18 Thread pam
-soaring [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.base64.com.au] On Behalf Of Ron Fox Sent: Monday, 18 July 2016 7:00 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' <aus-soaring@lists.base64.com.au> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Loss of control accidents The Stockholm Gliding Club in Swede

Re: [Aus-soaring] Loss of control accidents

2016-07-18 Thread Peter (PCS3)
ps others can elucidate. Harry Medlicott *From:*dennis hipperson <mailto:dennishipper...@gmail.com> *Sent:*Monday, July 18, 2016 1:12 PM *To:*aus-soaring@lists.base64.com.au <mailto:aus-soaring@lists.base64.com.au> *Subject:*Re: [Aus-soaring] Loss of control accident

Re: [Aus-soaring] Loss of control accidents

2016-07-18 Thread Ron Fox
o:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.base64.com.au] On Behalf Of Harry Sent: Monday, 18 July 2016 3:49 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. <aus-soaring@lists.base64.com.au> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Loss of control accidents The Americans were regularly killing pilots landing on

Re: [Aus-soaring] Loss of control accidents

2016-07-18 Thread Mark Newton
On Jul 18, 2016, at 1:45 PM, Mike Borgelt wrote: > > Same for landing piston engine aircraft on carriers. And virtually all military arrivals, which use overhead break approaches. (want to see an argument that leaves aus-soaring in the shade? Start a thread

Re: [Aus-soaring] Loss of control accidents

2016-07-17 Thread DMcD
>>The BGA some years ago now modified their standard glider circuit to cut off >>the base turn which keeps the glider closer to the landing zone. This was a >>result of looking at real flight records as to what experienced pilots were >>doing in out landings. I think you will find that the GFA

Re: [Aus-soaring] Loss of control accidents

2016-07-17 Thread Mike Borgelt
Same for landing piston engine aircraft on carriers. In this case they think it is easier to judge and simply rolling in a gentle bank and adjusting it slightly is easier to judge and more stable with lower dynamics than rolling in and out of tighter turns in the square circuit. The BGA

Re: [Aus-soaring] Loss of control accidents

2016-07-17 Thread Mike Borgelt
EAA has been sending around information about this. We'll have to see how it shakes out when the dust settles. I've not lost my cynicism about the cupidity and venality of aviation bureaucrats everywhere. Lately with their R/C model and drone registration, FAA seems to be competing with

Re: [Aus-soaring] Loss of control accidents

2016-07-17 Thread Mark Newton
On Jul 18, 2016, at 10:27 AM, Jim Staniforth wrote: > In other FAA news, the third class medical is slated to go away! > Presidential signature was on the 15th. The FAA now has a year to put it > into the regulations. Not quite that simple. The legislation

Re: [Aus-soaring] Loss of control accidents

2016-07-17 Thread Jim Staniforth
To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." <aus-soaring@lists.base64.com.au> Sent: 7/17/2016 4:50:42 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Loss of control accidents From latest Aviation Week and Space Technology discussing GA accidents, primarily loss of con

Re: [Aus-soaring] Loss of control accidents

2016-07-17 Thread Mike Borgelt
From latest Aviation Week and Space Technology discussing GA accidents, primarily loss of control aka "stall spin" Not all interventions will require new devices. The Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association (AOPA) is working with UND's aviation department to test a circular landing pattern used