Re: [Aus-soaring] Simultaneous Record Claims

2014-02-14 Thread Simon Hackett
Just to provide a contrasting point of view - perhaps we don't need to 'fix' this until we're really in a position to decide that it is broken (and I don't think, right now, that we are). We could start by considering what these records exist for, and hence what they are presumably there to

Re: [Aus-soaring] Simultaneous Record Claims

2014-02-14 Thread Tim Shirley
Well said Simon, It is certainly true that we have no information as to how much assistance has been given to any other pilot who holds an exiting record, at any level. One of the problems with records is that if you change the rules under which they are flown you effectively invalidate all

Re: [Aus-soaring] Simultaneous Record Claims

2014-02-14 Thread Mike Borgelt
At 11:14 AM 15/02/2014, you wrote: Gliding is no longer a sport conducted individually in private, and never will be again. Well, contests have obviously never been and records maybe not now but self launching motorgliders put the lie to your assertion. Mike Borgelt Instruments

Re: [Aus-soaring] Simultaneous Record Claims

2014-02-12 Thread Peter (PCS3)
Now that must be a record: two simultaneous claims on the same day in the same model of glider with the exactly the same location, speeds and distance What are the chances of that? !! PeterS On 12/02/2014 9:47 AM, Pam wrote: GFA has received the following record claims for the

Re: [Aus-soaring] Simultaneous Record Claims

2014-02-12 Thread Jim Staniforth
: [Aus-soaring] Simultaneous Record Claims To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Date: Wednesday, February 12, 2014, 1:10 PM Now that must be a record: two simultaneous claims on the same day in the same model of glider with the exactly the same location, speeds and distance What

Re: [Aus-soaring] Simultaneous Record Claims

2014-02-12 Thread Paul Bart
They would not have declared the same task and flown together would they? However, if you are flying as a pair, is it still a record (sorry Allan :))? Cheers Paul On 13 February 2014 07:10, Peter (PCS3) p...@internode.on.net wrote: Now that must be a record: two simultaneous claims on the

Re: [Aus-soaring] Simultaneous Record Claims

2014-02-12 Thread Peter (PCS3)
Even flying as a pair, to manage the same speed to the exact 2 decimal places!!=-O PeterS On 13/02/2014 8:01 AM, Paul Bart wrote: They would not have declared the same task and flown together would they? However, if you are flying as a pair, is it still a record (sorry Allan :))? Cheers

Re: [Aus-soaring] Simultaneous Record Claims

2014-02-12 Thread Geoff Vincent
One would have though that, as In most competitive sports, the performance completed first (even by only a few seconds) would establish the new record. The second performance would then have to exceed the speed of the first by at least 1kph - which it obviously did not - for it to establish a

Re: [Aus-soaring] Simultaneous Record Claims

2014-02-12 Thread Mike Cleaver
The flight was a pairs-flying exercise and they started and finished wingtip to wingtip to ensure the times were the same to the second! Wombat On 13/02/2014 8:10 AM, Peter (PCS3) wrote: Now that must be a record: two simultaneous claims on the same day in the same model of glider with the

Re: [Aus-soaring] Simultaneous Record Claims

2014-02-12 Thread Paul Bart
Hi Wombat Those were my thoughts, but the question still remains, is the flight unassisted, given that the whole point of pair flying is to go faster. I have no axe to grind, I am just interested. Cheers Paul On 13 February 2014 09:09, Mike Cleaver wom...@netspeed.com.au wrote: The

Re: [Aus-soaring] Simultaneous Record Claims

2014-02-12 Thread Matt Gage
Unlike Australian comps, there is nothing in the sporting code (which governs records) that suggests the flights can't be done pair flying, or even receiving weather or condition information from multiple locations to assist decision making. Additionally, I believe that Pam actually contacted

Re: [Aus-soaring] Simultaneous Record Claims

2014-02-12 Thread JarekM
-soaring] Simultaneous Record Claims Unlike Australian comps, there is nothing in the sporting code (which governs records) that suggests the flights can't be done pair flying, or even receiving weather or condition information from multiple locations to assist decision making. Additionally, I believe

Re: [Aus-soaring] Simultaneous Record Claims

2014-02-12 Thread Paul Bart
Thanks Matt, both for the explanation and the description of the flight. I know Allan well, he flew at DDSC, so I follow his exploits. Cheers Paul On Feb 13, 2014 1:11 PM, Matt Gage m...@knightschallenge.com wrote: Unlike Australian comps, there is nothing in the sporting code (which governs

Re: [Aus-soaring] Simultaneous Record Claims

2014-02-12 Thread Pam
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of jar...@optusnet.com.au Sent: Thursday, 13 February 2014 13:45 To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Simultaneous Record Claims Good air. ;) We've heard this a lot on the last day

Re: [Aus-soaring] Simultaneous Record Claims

2014-02-12 Thread Jim Staniforth
...@knightschallenge.com wrote: Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Simultaneous Record Claims To: Aus Soaring aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Date: Wednesday, February 12, 2014, 7:10 PM Unlike Australian comps, there is nothing in the sporting code (which governs records) that suggests the flights can't

Re: [Aus-soaring] Simultaneous Record Claims

2014-02-12 Thread Pam
relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Simultaneous Record Claims Matt, just cross-posted your message to Rec.Aviation.Soaring in the thread about the two identical flights. May upset a few people with the remark the US team has a lot to learn about pair (team) flying. Jim

[Aus-soaring] Simultaneous Record Claims

2014-02-11 Thread Pam
GFA has received the following record claims for the Australian National Standard Class 750km triangle speed record: Category: General Class: Standard Type of record: 750km triangle speed Location: West Wyalong Performance: 134.01 kph Pilot: Matt gage Glider: LS8/15m Date: 8/2/2014