Re: [Aus-soaring] RASP no longer updating/needed for SA

[Rob Wintulich]

Thanks Mark for that info.

Rob W

From: Mark Newton
Sent: Friday, September 8, 2017 11:26 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] RASP no longer updating/needed for SA

On 7 Sep 2017, at 4:11 PM, Rob Wintulich <r...@signwizard.com.au> wrote:

  Yes, I care and I also love that particular RASP facility.

  My understanding is that someone appropriately informed and willing needs to 
service an area to keep it up and running.  Mark Newton may be someone who 
might be able to inform us better!?!

Nah, I’m the temp trace guy, not the RASP guy.

The temp trace site is still ingesting data, and still running. I haven’t 
looked at the logs recently to see how often it’s being used, but as long as 
data is available it’s still able to work.

Data is less available than it used to be. In 2004, Peter Temple organized a 
free account with the Bureau of Meteorology for the raw data on each of the 
temp trace sites. They shut that down a couple of years ago. We got ten years 
out of it for free, but they didn’t want to continue it without billing about 
$2500 per annum to keep it alive, and the availability of RASP and Matt 
Scutter’s experimentation with SkySight suggested to me that maybe that wasn’t 
a good investment.

Consequently, I switched the data ingestion back to University of Wyoming’s 
Upper Air Project, which gets the same BoM data I used to get, but with a delay 
of about an hour. That’s why the traces aren’t as early each morning as they 
used to be.

My site has stored every single sounding datapoint it has ingested for the last 
14 years. The sounding data table in the database has about 22 million rows. 
Nearly a decade and a half of several-times-per-day data for has proved to be a 
useful resource to some people: I’ve been asked to make extracts available to 
climate science departments at a couple of universities, and the data has 
informed some PhD projects.

I reckon the hang glider folks still use it too. I occasionally get questions 
or attaboys from them.

The best bit is that it’s required almost no maintenance, so I’m happy to let 
it sit on my server more or less forever. I wrote the software in the first 
half of the last decade, and except for a few small updates to cope with data 
provider changes and a couple of week-long outages when I’ve moved house, it’s 
run on autopilot ever since. I wish every software project I did was as 
reliable as this one :-D

  For the real die-hards (or moneyed,) a lot of folk are migrating to 
subscription services like Matthew Scutter’s SkySight which offer even more 
than ‘common’ old RASP, but for old hacks like myself who just want to be able 
to pick out the  regular good days each season, RASP is great.  If the task of 
maintenance is not too onerous I’d be happy to keep an eye on it, but I would 
need guidance and assistance initially to get me ‘installed’


Honestly, I’d recommend SkySight. Not just because it’s empirically excellent, 
but also because the gliding community is so small that useful facilities can 
only continue to be provided if people who need them support them.

Matthew’s trying to make a living out of SkySight.io. He’ll be motivated to 
keep it “good” as long as the money tap doesn’t dry up so much that he has to 
get a real job instead :-)

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Re: [Aus-soaring] RASP no longer updating/needed for SA

[David George]

There is still an SA RASP running on my server:

http://users.on.net/~dsg/HG/RASPtable.html

Dave


On 8 Sep 2017 11:26 PM, "Mark Newton"  wrote:

> On 7 Sep 2017, at 4:11 PM, Rob Wintulich  wrote:
>
> Yes, I care and I also love that particular RASP facility.
> My understanding is that someone appropriately informed and willing needs
> to service an area to keep it up and running.  Mark Newton may be someone
> who might be able to inform us better!?!
>
>
> Nah, I’m the temp trace guy, not the RASP guy.
>
> The temp trace site is still ingesting data, and still running. I haven’t
> looked at the logs recently to see how often it’s being used, but as long
> as data is available it’s still able to work.
>
> Data is less available than it used to be. In 2004, Peter Temple organized
> a free account with the Bureau of Meteorology for the raw data on each of
> the temp trace sites. They shut that down a couple of years ago. We got ten
> years out of it for free, but they didn’t want to continue it without
> billing about $2500 per annum to keep it alive, and the availability of
> RASP and Matt Scutter’s experimentation with SkySight suggested to me that
> maybe that wasn’t a good investment.
>
> Consequently, I switched the data ingestion back to University of
> Wyoming’s Upper Air Project, which gets the same BoM data I used to get,
> but with a delay of about an hour. That’s why the traces aren’t as early
> each morning as they used to be.
>
> My site has stored every single sounding datapoint it has ingested for the
> last 14 years. The sounding data table in the database has about 22 million
> rows. Nearly a decade and a half of several-times-per-day data for has
> proved to be a useful resource to some people: I’ve been asked to make
> extracts available to climate science departments at a couple of
> universities, and the data has informed some PhD projects.
>
> I reckon the hang glider folks still use it too. I occasionally get
> questions or attaboys from them.
>
> The best bit is that it’s required almost no maintenance, so I’m happy to
> let it sit on my server more or less forever. I wrote the software in the
> first half of the last decade, and except for a few small updates to cope
> with data provider changes and a couple of week-long outages when I’ve
> moved house, it’s run on autopilot ever since. I wish every software
> project I did was as reliable as this one :-D
>
> For the real die-hards (or moneyed,) a lot of folk are migrating to
> subscription services like Matthew Scutter’s SkySight which offer even more
> than ‘common’ old RASP, but for old hacks like myself who just want to be
> able to pick out the  regular good days each season, RASP is great.  If the
> task of maintenance is not too onerous I’d be happy to keep an eye on it,
> but I would need guidance and assistance initially to get me ‘installed’
>
>
> Honestly, I’d recommend SkySight. Not just because it’s empirically
> excellent, but also because the gliding community is so small that useful
> facilities can only continue to be provided if people who need them support
> them.
>
> Matthew’s trying to make a living out of SkySight.io. He’ll be motivated
> to keep it “good” as long as the money tap doesn’t dry up so much that he
> has to get a real job instead :-)
>
> - mark
>
>
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Re: [Aus-soaring] RASP no longer updating/needed for SA

[Mark Newton]

On 7 Sep 2017, at 4:11 PM, Rob Wintulich  wrote:
> Yes, I care and I also love that particular RASP facility.
> My understanding is that someone appropriately informed and willing needs to 
> service an area to keep it up and running.  Mark Newton may be someone who 
> might be able to inform us better!?!

Nah, I’m the temp trace guy, not the RASP guy.

The temp trace site is still ingesting data, and still running. I haven’t 
looked at the logs recently to see how often it’s being used, but as long as 
data is available it’s still able to work.

Data is less available than it used to be. In 2004, Peter Temple organized a 
free account with the Bureau of Meteorology for the raw data on each of the 
temp trace sites. They shut that down a couple of years ago. We got ten years 
out of it for free, but they didn’t want to continue it without billing about 
$2500 per annum to keep it alive, and the availability of RASP and Matt 
Scutter’s experimentation with SkySight suggested to me that maybe that wasn’t 
a good investment.

Consequently, I switched the data ingestion back to University of Wyoming’s 
Upper Air Project, which gets the same BoM data I used to get, but with a delay 
of about an hour. That’s why the traces aren’t as early each morning as they 
used to be.

My site has stored every single sounding datapoint it has ingested for the last 
14 years. The sounding data table in the database has about 22 million rows. 
Nearly a decade and a half of several-times-per-day data for has proved to be a 
useful resource to some people: I’ve been asked to make extracts available to 
climate science departments at a couple of universities, and the data has 
informed some PhD projects.

I reckon the hang glider folks still use it too. I occasionally get questions 
or attaboys from them.

The best bit is that it’s required almost no maintenance, so I’m happy to let 
it sit on my server more or less forever. I wrote the software in the first 
half of the last decade, and except for a few small updates to cope with data 
provider changes and a couple of week-long outages when I’ve moved house, it’s 
run on autopilot ever since. I wish every software project I did was as 
reliable as this one :-D

> For the real die-hards (or moneyed,) a lot of folk are migrating to 
> subscription services like Matthew Scutter’s SkySight which offer even more 
> than ‘common’ old RASP, but for old hacks like myself who just want to be 
> able to pick out the  regular good days each season, RASP is great.  If the 
> task of maintenance is not too onerous I’d be happy to keep an eye on it, but 
> I would need guidance and assistance initially to get me ‘installed’

Honestly, I’d recommend SkySight. Not just because it’s empirically excellent, 
but also because the gliding community is so small that useful facilities can 
only continue to be provided if people who need them support them.

Matthew’s trying to make a living out of SkySight.io . 
He’ll be motivated to keep it “good” as long as the money tap doesn’t dry up so 
much that he has to get a real job instead :-)

- mark



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Re: [Aus-soaring] RASP no longer updating/needed for SA

[Matthew Scutter]

SA is still 'covered' by http://www.users.on.net/~dsg/HG/RASPtable.html (or
https://skysight.io/ :) :) :) )

glidingforecast.on.net needs a total rebuild not just some maintenance to
fix SA. Contact me off-list if you want to help/do it, I'm not the owner or
operator but I seem to be the only one with login details.

I already volunteered on the gfa-forum list to do it, but I'm now waiting
to see where this GFA-funded nationwide weather service project is going
(see your e-news). I don't see value in rebuilding it to have it imminently
replaced... especially as SA is still covered by David George's RASP.

I will be bidding with SkySight on any tender the GFA puts out for this new
weather service - so if you'd like to see a free SkySight or SkySight-lite
you should contact your local GFA board member and let them know.

On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 8:11 AM, Rob Wintulich  wrote:

> Hi Ulrich,
>
> Yes, I care and I also love that particular RASP facility.
>
> My understanding is that someone appropriately informed and willing needs
> to service an area to keep it up and running.  Mark Newton may be someone
> who might be able to inform us better!?!
>
> For the real die-hards (or moneyed,) a lot of folk are migrating to
> subscription services like Matthew Scutter’s SkySight which offer even more
> than ‘common’ old RASP, but for old hacks like myself who just want to be
> able to pick out the  regular good days each season, RASP is great.  If the
> task of maintenance is not too onerous I’d be happy to keep an eye on it,
> but I would need guidance and assistance initially to get me ‘installed’
>
> Is anyone interested in helping me?
>
> Regards,
> Rob Wintulich
>
> *From:* Ulrich Stauss
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 7, 2017 12:43 PM
> *To:* aus-soaring@lists.base64.com.au
> *Subject:* [Aus-soaring] RASP no longer updating/needed for SA
>
>
> Hi Australian Soaring Community,
>
>
>
> I noticed that RASP at http://glidingforecast.on.net/RASP/RASPtable.html
> hasn’t been updating the SA data for a while now and I’m wondering whether
> it is just a process that crashed and didn’t get restarted because nobody
> noticed... With a number of other alternatives this is probably not an
> issue or is anyone still using RASP (or would like to use it in SA)? For
> the eastern states it still seems to work.
>
> Does anyone care?
>
>
>
> Ulrich
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Aus-soaring] RASP no longer updating/needed for SA

[Rob Wintulich]

Hi Ulrich,

Yes, I care and I also love that particular RASP facility.

My understanding is that someone appropriately informed and willing needs to 
service an area to keep it up and running.  Mark Newton may be someone who 
might be able to inform us better!?!

For the real die-hards (or moneyed,) a lot of folk are migrating to 
subscription services like Matthew Scutter’s SkySight which offer even more 
than ‘common’ old RASP, but for old hacks like myself who just want to be able 
to pick out the  regular good days each season, RASP is great.  If the task of 
maintenance is not too onerous I’d be happy to keep an eye on it, but I would 
need guidance and assistance initially to get me ‘installed’

Is anyone interested in helping me?

Regards,
Rob Wintulich

From: Ulrich Stauss 
Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 12:43 PM
To: aus-soaring@lists.base64.com.au 
Subject: [Aus-soaring] RASP no longer updating/needed for SA

Hi Australian Soaring Community,

 

I noticed that RASP at http://glidingforecast.on.net/RASP/RASPtable.html hasn’t 
been updating the SA data for a while now and I’m wondering whether it is just 
a process that crashed and didn’t get restarted because nobody noticed... With 
a number of other alternatives this is probably not an issue or is anyone still 
using RASP (or would like to use it in SA)? For the eastern states it still 
seems to work.

Does anyone care?

 

Ulrich

 


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