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Minutes of the 26th October 2020 Teleconference     Austin-1075 Page 1 of 1
Submitted by Andrew Josey, The Open Group. 28th October 2020

Attendees:
    Nick Stoughton, USENIX, ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 22 OR
    Don Cragun, IEEE PASC OR
    Mark Ziegast, SHware Systems Dev
    Geoff Clare, The Open Group
    Richard Hansen
    Joerg Schilling, FOKUS Fraunhofer
Apologies:
    Andrew Josey, The Open Group
    Eric Blake, Red Hat, The Open Group OR
    Tom Thompson, IEEE
    Eric Ackermann, HPI, University of Potsdam

* General news 

A reminder to all that for those in Europe the clocks changed last
weekend and the calls this week are one hour earlier. The
calls as always are anchored on US time.

* Outstanding actions

(Please note that this section has been flushed to shorten the minutes -
to locate the previous set of outstanding actions, look to the minutes
from 13th June 2019 and earlier)

Bug 1254: "asynchronous list" description uses "command" instead of "AND-OR 
list" OPEN
https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1254
Action: Joerg to investigate how his shell behaves.

Bug 700 - Nick to raise this issue with the C committee
Bug 713 - Nick to raise with the C committee.
Bug 739 - Nick to raise with the C committee.


* Current Business


Bug 1325:  Allow make to remake an included file  Reopened
https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1325

This item was closed, see bug note 05066 included below,
but has subsequently been reopened.

Bugnote 5066

In Issue 8 draft 1 page 2892 lines 97098-97102 (make extended
description), change:
    If the file does not exist in this location, it is unspecified
    whether additional directories are searched. If the file cannot
    be opened, and if the word include was prefixed with a
    <hyphen-minus> character, the file shall be ignored. Otherwise,
    if the file cannot be opened an error shall occur.

to:
    If a target rule or inference rule for the pathname has been
    parsed before the include line is parsed make shall use the
    rule to attempt to create the file or to bring it up to date
    before opening the file. If the pathname is relative, the file
    does not exist, and it cannot be created using such a rule, it
    is unspecified whether additional directories are searched for
    an existing file of the same relative pathname. If, after
    applying such a rule (if any), the file cannot be opened, and
    if the word include was prefixed with a <hyphen-minus> character,
    the file shall be ignored. Otherwise, if the file cannot be
    opened an error shall occur.


In issue 8 draft 1 page 2911 after line 97926 (make rationale),
insert a new paragraph:

    This standard specifies that if a target rule or inference rule
    for an include line pathname has been parsed before the include
    line is parsed, make will use the rule to attempt to create the
    file or to bring it up to date before opening the file. Historical
    versions of GNU make delay the use of the rule until after all
    makefiles have been read, which means that a rule for an include
    file cannot be defined in an earlier include file (that itself
    needs to be made via a rule). Historical versions of BSD make
    do not attempt to (re-)make the include file. This standard
    also specifies that an include file is first (re-)made if
    possible, and only if not possible can other directories be
    searched. Historical versions of GNU make first search the
    include directories, then attempt to (re-)make the include
    file(s) in reverse order of the include line's appearance in
    the makefile.


Bug 1329: Problem in resolution of 0000793: "Regular Expressions: add 
REG_MINIMAL and a minimum repitition modifier"         OPEN
https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1329

We looked briefly at this bug. We will start on this bug at the next meeting.

Gettext draft.

We will return to this on a future call.

The gettext draft in the etherpad is at

https://posix.rhansen.org/p/gettext_draft
https://posix.rhansen.org/p/gettext_split

Next Steps 
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The next calls are on:


October 29th 2020 (Thursday)
This call will be for 90 minutes.

November 2nd 2020 (Monday) NOT YET CONFIRMED
This call will be for 60 minutes.

Calls are anchored on US time. (8am Pacific) 

Apologies in advance:
Eric Blake, 2020-10-29
Eric Ackermann, 2020-10-29 
Tom Thompson, 2020-10-29

Please check the calendar invites for dial in details.

Bugs are at:
https://austingroupbugs.net

An etherpad is usually up for the meeting, with a URL using the date format as 
below:

https://posix.rhansen.org/p/20xx-mm-dd

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for those individuals with gitlab.opengroup.org accounts.
Please contact Andrew if you need to be setup)


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