Re: Status of $'...' addition (was: ksh93 job control behaviour)

2020-08-01 Thread Steffen Nurpmeso
Hello. David A. Wheeler wrote in : |On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 16:51:56 + (UTC), shwaresyst \ |wrote: |> Please look at my former message.  It stands that \Uu is ISO |> 10646, and that does not represent characters but codepoints, |> multiple of which may be necessary to represent one real

Re: Status of $'...' addition (was: ksh93 job control behaviour)

2020-07-31 Thread David A. Wheeler
On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 16:51:56 + (UTC), shwaresyst wrote: > Please look at my former message.  It stands that \Uu is ISO > 10646, and that does not represent characters but codepoints, > multiple of which may be necessary to represent one real > character, which then may be a valid character in

Re: Status of $'...' addition (was: ksh93 job control behaviour)

2020-07-31 Thread shwaresyst
Yes, right-assoc does exist too, and the standard supports the DBCS varieties in charmaps as an election, even. There's also medials, which have left and right associativity, and a number of other types, depending on primary script family. I agree with your last point that such sequence

Re: Status of $'...' addition (was: ksh93 job control behaviour)

2020-07-31 Thread Steffen Nurpmeso
shwaresyst wrote in <1371185781.9853799.1596158030...@mail.yahoo.com>: |It is not "some sensible \u sequences" alone. First off, there's little \ |agreement on what constitutes 'sensible'. Just the headache of the \ |U300 diacritics adds to XBD6 significantly, if they're to be supported, \

Re: Status of $'...' addition (was: ksh93 job control behaviour)

2020-07-31 Thread Steffen Nurpmeso
Hello. Robert Elz wrote in <12526.1596151...@jinx.noi.kre.to>: |Date:Thu, 30 Jul 2020 15:53:53 +0200 |From:Steffen Nurpmeso |Message-ID: <20200730135353.qwslp%stef...@sdaoden.eu> | || The problem being that what is in the wild does not work out for || many

Re: Status of $'...' addition (was: ksh93 job control behaviour)

2020-07-30 Thread shwaresyst
It is not "some sensible \u sequences" alone. First off, there's little agreement on what constitutes 'sensible'. Just the headache of the U300 diacritics adds to XBD6 significantly, if they're to be supported, as one example. The 'sensible' present solution is to not support them at all;

Re: Status of $'...' addition (was: ksh93 job control behaviour)

2020-07-30 Thread Chet Ramey
On 7/30/20 7:29 PM, Robert Elz wrote: > | And for that it would be tremendous if $'' would be defined so > | that it can be used as the sole quoting mechanism, > > No thanks. Partly because $'' is already implemented (widely) > and used (perhaps slightly less yet) - so that ship has

Re: Status of $'...' addition (was: ksh93 job control behaviour)

2020-07-30 Thread Robert Elz
Date:Thu, 30 Jul 2020 15:53:53 +0200 From:Steffen Nurpmeso Message-ID: <20200730135353.qwslp%stef...@sdaoden.eu> | The problem being that what is in the wild does not work out for | many languages. I admit to not knowing a lot of the internationalisation

Re: Status of $'...' addition (was: ksh93 job control behaviour)

2020-07-30 Thread Steffen Nurpmeso
shwaresyst wrote in <1127836834.9524758.1596121054...@mail.yahoo.com>: |Yes, the additions necessary still for even limited Unicode support \ |above the broken bandaids C11+ provide are one of those issues. Where \ |Unicode is incompatible with POSIX, and is therefore (by design) broken \

Re: Status of $'...' addition (was: ksh93 job control behaviour)

2020-07-30 Thread Steffen Nurpmeso
David A. Wheeler wrote in : |Steffen Nurpmeso wrote: |>> And for that it would be tremendous if $'' would be defined so |>> that it can be used as the sole quoting mechanism, and that would |>> then also include expansion of $VAR (i use \$VAR or \${VAR} in my |>> mailer). But to know

Re: Status of $'...' addition (was: ksh93 job control behaviour)

2020-07-30 Thread Steffen Nurpmeso
Joerg Schilling wrote in <5f22d4b4.8vf9+w1hbegjrn1d%joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de>: |Steffen Nurpmeso wrote: | |> And for that it would be tremendous if $'' would be defined so |> that it can be used as the sole quoting mechanism, and that would |> then also include expansion of $VAR

Re: Status of $'...' addition (was: ksh93 job control behaviour)

2020-07-30 Thread David A. Wheeler
Steffen Nurpmeso wrote: > > And for that it would be tremendous if $'' would be defined so > > that it can be used as the sole quoting mechanism, and that would > > then also include expansion of $VAR (i use \$VAR or \${VAR} in my > > mailer). But to know exactly how problematic splitting of

Re: Status of $'...' addition (was: ksh93 job control behaviour)

2020-07-30 Thread shwaresyst
Yes, the additions necessary still for even limited Unicode support above the broken bandaids C11+ provide are one of those issues. Where Unicode is incompatible with POSIX, and is therefore (by design) broken too needs addressing also. The white papers detailing most of these changes have yet

Re: Status of $'...' addition (was: ksh93 job control behaviour)

2020-07-30 Thread Joerg Schilling
Steffen Nurpmeso wrote: > And for that it would be tremendous if $'' would be defined so > that it can be used as the sole quoting mechanism, and that would > then also include expansion of $VAR (i use \$VAR or \${VAR} in my > mailer). But to know exactly how problematic splitting of quotes >

Re: Status of $'...' addition (was: ksh93 job control behaviour)

2020-07-30 Thread Steffen Nurpmeso
shwaresyst wrote in <311169368.9432836.1596108598...@mail.yahoo.com>: |On Thursday, July 30, 2020 Geoff Clare wrote: |Robert Elz wrote, on 29 Jul 2020: |> |> Speaking of which, what is the current holdup with resolving |> whichever bug it is (I hate searching in mantis, so I won't |> try

RE: Status of $'...' addition (was: ksh93 job control behaviour)

2020-07-30 Thread shwaresyst
Also, as something new, its inclusion is part of a later draft of Issue 8. Additional issues it depends on need to be addressed first, specified fully, and incorporated. This is more why it went on the back burner, that I recall. Various other bugs are in similar state; the prerequisites to