Re: [authors] Could someone give us an update on the site-problems ?
Hi @all, sorry that I not answered to the questions about the state of the site problems! But hat no time to answer because I try to fix all the ugly problems! The site is now up again. The following problems should be fixed: * site performance bad, site slowly loads content * members could not access home directory/personal folder * join of new members don't work Last but not least thanks to Jean (for testing) , Jeff and Janet (to hear my call and forget them if I find the solution for my problem by my self). Regards Marko
[authors] Update: Could someone give us an update on the site-problems ?
hello @all, It could be that You have to upload some documents again and that You have to do changes (done on the site in the last 4 days) again. :-( That's why the only (quick) way to get the site back stable was to use an backup and modify it. Sorry for that, but I think that is it a little price for getting the site stable and fast again. Regards Marko OOoAuthors schrieb: Hi @all, sorry that I not answered to the questions about the state of the site problems! But hat no time to answer because I try to fix all the ugly problems! The site is now up again. The following problems should be fixed: * site performance bad, site slowly loads content * members could not access home directory/personal folder * join of new members don't work Last but not least thanks to Jean (for testing) , Jeff and Janet (to hear my call and forget them if I find the solution for my problem by my self). Regards Marko
Re: [authors] Could someone give us an update on the site-problems ?
Hi Marko thanks for the efforts ! Speed on the site : great !! I can work now ( now i have to learn how to translate) -=-=-=-=- Speed on logon : slow : had to refresh few times before success Second time login was fast : very: and has now nice login history ( last login etc. Third login was fast again ( proxy ?? ) =-=- Speed on adding member slow But no failures : and new user was added ... =-=- Logout seems to be slow : will double check twice tested : as myself and as the new user both slow.. =-=-=- I see login history (top of screen has now data !! =-=- The speed to directories is sometimes very fast : sometimes very slow several refreshes .. I always check the ping times to see that the connection was alive and working .. Marko Great work !! cannot tell you how frustrating it used to be just to add some small things sometimes i was busy for three hours for a simple thing like pairing the text to be translated with the dutch text ..) Some user newcomers nearly gave up !! I always used the http://216.62.213.231:9080/oocommunity/nl/ entry to aviod my dns problem ping was watched to see if i was connected .. I use suse Linux 10.1 browser konquerer when i say slow it means the browser mentiones a time out .. and i have to resend the data -- Kind regards, Frank _ Frank W. Kooistra Spoorsingel 89 2613 BB Delft t:+3 16 45 77 00 17
[authors] Jean : new Dutch users :
Jean i will add the new dutch users myself .. I can do finally Thanks to the efforts of Marko Now i have to seduce him to make a tagalog site ... Only if he has time .. -- Kind regards, Frank _ Frank W. Kooistra Spoorsingel 89 2613 BB Delft t:+3 16 45 77 00 17
[authors] welcome new user
Hoi Dirk hartstikke welkom je hebt even moeten wachten, maar ik denk dat je dat wel kunt berijpen. Marko heeft hard gewerkt om ook de Nederlandse site te repareren. Ik moet je toegangen nog maken , maar dat zie je gauw genoeg. als je denkt ik moer ergens iets kunnendoen : meld het me even .. dan kan ik er naar kijken Ik heb een basis document aangemaakt : medewerkers pas daar je verhaal even aan zodat we beter wten wie je bent .. Alle Nederlanders en zelfs alle Belgen kunnen dat ook summary translation : Welcome Dirk Thanks Dirk for telling us you want to join the OpenOffice.org documentation team Thanks a lot for being so patient. Finally we can use our website to the full extend.. I still have to give you the right permissions, but i do not mind if you complain if you feel you are restricted .. By the way : the Dutch group has a has a directory with a document where evereybody can tell who is who .. -- Kind regards, Frank _ Frank W. Kooistra Spoorsingel 89 2613 BB Delft t:+3 16 45 77 00 17
[authors] Request for author role
Hello, My name is Frank Mirza. I am from Germany. I want to translate openoffice documentations into german. My nickname is frami I request for the author role. Thanks. Regards, Frank
Re: [authors] Request for author role
Hi Frank, Am Wed, 08 Nov 2006 20:10:23 +0100 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello, My name is Frank Mirza. I am from Germany. I want to translate openoffice documentations into german. My nickname is frami Welcome to the German team. :) I'm glad, that you decided, to work with us together on the German documentation. I request for the author role. Thanks. I gave you the author role. Please log off and on again and check, if everything works for you. Please have a look at the German part of the website. There you'll find some instructions how to start and to proceed. If you have any further questions, don't hesitate to ask. There are many helpful people here on this list. ;) Sigrid
[authors] Question about the right for using Screenshots of OOo on Microsoft Windows
Hello @all, (sorry for cross-posting, I'm not sure, which list is the correct one for this topic) We had a long discussion on the German dev-list about using screenshots of OOo made on any MS operating system in our documentation. We found only the following on Microsoft's website: http://www.microsoft.com/about/legal/permissions/default.mspx#E3C (English) or http://www.microsoft.com/germany/unternehmen/informationen/rechtlichehinweise/bilder.mspx#ECGAC (German) We didn't know, how to interpret this, so André Schnabel wrote an email to Microsoft Germany, asking if we're allowed to do this. His question includes the fact, that even when we're doing screen shots of our own software, that title bars, scroll bars and OK buttons are provided by the OS. (And it's self-evident, that we don't do any pictures of logo's, cliparts or any other trademarked stuff.) We want to be sure, that we're allowed to use a free license (PDL) for documentation and screen shots. Can we allow other users to reuse the screen shots, and can we allow them, that they can edit the screenshots (the German website of Microsoft says No to this). The answer from the Microsoft person was, that the mentioned things belong to the OS, and that the rules stated on the above websites are valid. Using screen shots made under Microsoft Windows is acceptable, as long as we mention, that the program runs on MS Windows. Does anyone of you have any experience with this? Or knows more than we about copyright? Is is possible and legal, that MS claims, that we have to follow their rules for the copyright? Has anyone of the other european projects some more experience with this? Should we redo all screen shots by using a different operating system (like Linux, BSD) to prevent every problems with Microsoft? What do you think? We hope for some help and advise. Sigrid PS: I hope, you all understand what I wanted to say, if not, please ask and I'll try to rephrase the problem.
Re: [authors] welcome new user
Hallo Frank, Fijn om te horen dat Dirk nu ook is aangesloten op de lijst. Ik heb overigens de vorige keer al geprobeerd om jouw document 'wie is wie' aan te passen, maar dat is me niet gelukt. Op de één of andere wijze heb ik daar geen schrijfrechten of ik weet niet hoe ik dat document zou moeten wijzigen. Om die reden heb ik maar een kort Engels epistel aan de lijst gezonden. Misschien dat je mij als nitwit nog even wijs kan maken hoe ik dat document wel aan kan passen. Groetjes, Henk van der Burg. Frank W. Kooistra schreef: Hoi Dirk hartstikke welkom je hebt even moeten wachten, maar ik denk dat je dat wel kunt berijpen. Marko heeft hard gewerkt om ook de Nederlandse site te repareren. Ik moet je toegangen nog maken , maar dat zie je gauw genoeg. als je denkt ik moer ergens iets kunnendoen : meld het me even .. dan kan ik er naar kijken Ik heb een basis document aangemaakt : medewerkers pas daar je verhaal even aan zodat we beter wten wie je bent .. Alle Nederlanders en zelfs alle Belgen kunnen dat ook summary translation : Welcome Dirk Thanks Dirk for telling us you want to join the OpenOffice.org documentation team Thanks a lot for being so patient. Finally we can use our website to the full extend.. I still have to give you the right permissions, but i do not mind if you complain if you feel you are restricted .. By the way : the Dutch group has a has a directory with a document where evereybody can tell who is who ..
Re: [authors] welcome new user
Hi Henk You were right : Your permission was removed, because Marko needed some time and a backup to repair the site I have put back your permissions Hoi Henk Klopt inderdaad: marko heeft een backup , en vier dagen nodig gehad om de site te repareren .. Ik heb je toegang weer goed gezet.. voor medewerkers : ik check de rest ook nog even ... Frank On Wednesday 08 November 2006 20:51, H.C. van der Burg wrote: Hallo Frank, Fijn om te horen dat Dirk nu ook is aangesloten op de lijst. Ik heb overigens de vorige keer al geprobeerd om jouw document 'wie is wie' aan te passen, maar dat is me niet gelukt. Op de één of andere wijze heb ik daar geen schrijfrechten of ik weet niet hoe ik dat document zou moeten wijzigen. Om die reden heb ik maar een kort Engels epistel aan de lijst gezonden. Misschien dat je mij als nitwit nog even wijs kan maken hoe ik dat document wel aan kan passen. Groetjes, Henk van der Burg. Frank W. Kooistra schreef: Hoi Dirk hartstikke welkom je hebt even moeten wachten, maar ik denk dat je dat wel kunt berijpen. Marko heeft hard gewerkt om ook de Nederlandse site te repareren. Ik moet je toegangen nog maken , maar dat zie je gauw genoeg. als je denkt ik moer ergens iets kunnendoen : meld het me even .. dan kan ik er naar kijken Ik heb een basis document aangemaakt : medewerkers pas daar je verhaal even aan zodat we beter wten wie je bent .. Alle Nederlanders en zelfs alle Belgen kunnen dat ook summary translation : Welcome Dirk Thanks Dirk for telling us you want to join the OpenOffice.org documentation team Thanks a lot for being so patient. Finally we can use our website to the full extend.. I still have to give you the right permissions, but i do not mind if you complain if you feel you are restricted .. By the way : the Dutch group has a has a directory with a document where evereybody can tell who is who .. -- Kind regards, Frank _ Frank W. Kooistra Spoorsingel 89 2613 BB Delft t:+3 16 45 77 00 17
[authors] default user : Marko : Jean
I have noticed that the default user has changed from member to author .. It might bring a security issue .. I do not use group permissions : we have few members, and the upgrade of each individual gives me a change to control misuse better before i used to upgrade members to authors etc. Now i can give user member permissions and the author permissions are gone.. (hence i assume they are author when becoming a member -- Kind regards, Frank _ Frank W. Kooistra Spoorsingel 89 2613 BB Delft t:+3 16 45 77 00 17
Re: [authors] Update: Could someone give us an update on the site-problems ?
Jean Hollis Weber wrote: Marko wrote: It could be that You have to upload some documents again and that You have to do changes (done on the site in the last 4 days) again. :-( That's why the only (quick) way to get the site back stable was to use an backup and modify it. Sorry for that, but I think that is it a little price for getting the site stable and fast again. Hooray for Marko! Thank you for getting this all working correctly again. I second that! I can't say how grateful I am for Marko's time and effort in doing the site upgrade. Many, many thanks! -- Janet Swisher --- Senior Technical Writer Enthought, Inc. http://www.enthought.com
[authors] Re: Question about the right for using Screenshots of OOo on Microsoft Windows
Sigrid Kronenberger wrote: We had a long discussion on the German dev-list about using screenshots of OOo made on any MS operating system in our documentation. [...] We want to be sure, that we're allowed to use a free license (PDL) for documentation and screen shots. Can we allow other users to reuse the screen shots, and can we allow them, that they can edit the screenshots (the German website of Microsoft says No to this). The answer from the Microsoft person was, that ... Using screen shots made under Microsoft Windows is acceptable, as long as we mention, that the program runs on MS Windows. Does anyone of you have any experience with this? [...] Should we redo all screen shots by using a different operating system (like Linux, BSD) to prevent every problems with Microsoft? What do you think? IANAL, but I have worked professionally as a technical editor for many years before joining OOo. Much of that work was user documentation for programs that run on Microsoft Windows. The usual way to handle this is to put on the copyright page of a document a statement that the program runs on Microsoft Windows and that Windows, Microsoft, Word, etc are trademarks or registered trademarks of Microsoft Corp. At the moment the statement in the OOoAuthors docs does not mention Microsoft Windows specifically. It says All trademarks within this guide belong to their legitimate owners. This could be reworded if we think it is necessary. I don't remember what is on the copyright page for the docs produced directly through the Documentation Project. As for retaking all the screenshots on another OS, some sections of some docs (eg setup guides) specifically talk about how OOo works on Windows, so the screenshots in those sections can not be redone on another operating system. --Jean
[authors] [Fwd: Re: [documentation-dev] Question about the right for using Screenshots of OOo on Microsoft Windows]
Forwarded in case some members of the OOoAuthors list are not also members of the Docs list. -- Jean Original Message Subject: Re: [documentation-dev] Question about the right for using Screenshots of OOo on Microsoft Windows Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 12:23:56 -0800 From: marbux [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sigrid, I can not speak to German law, but I suspect it is not different in relative substance from that in the U.S. Under U.S. law, the Microsoft conditions are downright silly and are unenforceable. (I stress, however, that I have retired from the practice of law and am no longer allowed to give legal advice. So this is a personal opinion, not legal advice. You'll need to retain a lawyer if you want advice you can rely on.) It is immaterial that Microsoft asserts such a right now on a web site. The license covering the use of its software is the EULA, not what it says on its web site. Statements on its web site can expand people's rights under the EULA, but it can not reduce those rights. Moreover, Microsoft has unquestionably allowed people to do screenshots that included portions of its software since back in the DOS days. You don't get to sit on your rights, knowing that people are infringing them, for a long period of time. You have to file a lawsuit to enforce your rights. Sleeping on your rights raises the defense of laches, and the defense of estoppel by acquiescence. Inaction is enough. Were one to carry Microsoft's argument to its reductio ad absurdum, then no one but the licensee could view a monitor that was displaying Microsoft software. A copy of the screen is created in the body's nervous system. Remembering what the screen looked like would also be a violation of Microsoft's rights, since that would summon a new copy from a stored memory. What is even worse, that copy might be imperfect and thus constitute a prohibited modification of Microsoft's copyrighted image. What makes it all pretty ridiculous is that the EULA allows use and making a screengrab is a use. Microsoft knows that every screengrabber that runs on Windows makes copies of its dialogs and that none of them automatically superimpose the copyright notice Microsoft claims to require. But under copyright law, the copying happens first when the screengrab is made. Under Microsoft's logic, that screengrab would itself be unlawful because it does not include the Microsoft copyright notice. So I would argue that Microsoft waived its rights when the screen grab was first created. If Microsoft wants a copyright notice displayed in its dialog portions that are displayed in a screengrab, it is perfectly able to code its software so that the copyright notices are visible in the portions that will show in a screen grab. A second line of inquiry would be whether those screen portions are copyrightable to begin with. Apple Computers didn't get very far with its argument that Microsoft had copied the MacIntosh operating system look and feel. At least in the U.S., very simple images are not copyrightable, e.g., icons and fonts. Sliders, icons, and OK bars are also not copyrightable because they have no **originality.** See e.g., 17 U.S.C. 102(a) ([c]opyright protection subsists, in accordance with this title, in ***original*** works of authorship[.] http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode17/usc_sec_17_0102000-.html. E.g., you can not copy the works of Shakespeare and then claim copyright on all copies made from your copy. Just so, you can't imitate others' icons, sliders, and title bars and then claim originality. And as to the words in the title bar, that is just factual information, and facts can not be copyrighted. Every operating system's GUI windows manager provides them, as do a multitude of separate applications that used them before the first version of Windows was created. . E.g., I've got them in my copy of WordPerfect 5.1 for DOS, and I even had them in my CP/M version of WordStar. What is probably dispositive in the U.S. is that prior to March 1, 1989, any release of copyrightable material without a claim of copyright automatically waived copyright. And it is important here that what is copyrighted is the binaries themselves, not the pretty dialogs the software creates on the screen. Icons, sliders, and titlebars were in broad use before that date without claim of copyright, and it is far too late for Microsoft to try to put that horse back in the barn, even were icons, sliders, and titlebars original to Microsoft. Yet a third inquiry is whether, even if they were copyrightable, their use constitutes fair use. If you run icons, sliders, and titlebars through the four-part fair use analysis, I think you'll agree that their use in screengrabs would be fair use even were they copyrightable. See e.g., http://fairuse.stanford.edu/Copyright_and_Fair_Use_Overview/chapter9/9-b.html. The analysis would differ to the extent that trademarked logos were involved. But even with trademarks (and especially
Re: [authors] default user : Marko : Jean
Frank W. Kooistra schrieb: I have noticed that the default user has changed from member to author .. I will check this out today. It might bring a security issue .. I do not use group permissions : we have few members, and the upgrade of each individual gives me a change to control misuse better before i used to upgrade members to authors etc. Now i can give user member permissions and the author permissions are gone.. (hence i assume they are author when becoming a member Regards Marko
Re: [authors] Update: Could someone give us an update on the site-problems ?
Hi janet, Janet Swisher schrieb: Jean Hollis Weber wrote: Marko wrote: It could be that You have to upload some documents again and that You have to do changes (done on the site in the last 4 days) again. :-( That's why the only (quick) way to get the site back stable was to use an backup and modify it. Sorry for that, but I think that is it a little price for getting the site stable and fast again. Hooray for Marko! Thank you for getting this all working correctly again. I second that! I can't say how grateful I am for Marko's time and effort in doing the site upgrade. Many, many thanks! :-) This was only the beginning (bug hunting, fixing errors) :-) The next step is to bring the site step by step to the actual version of Plone/Zope. In Order to prevent site trouble for such a long time I will create a site-backup once a week. Then we will be able to roll-back to a stable site quick and without data loss more than 7 Days. I wrote every thing I made in my private brain log in order to create a small how to for all interested people a little bit later :-) BTW: Thank You (enthought stuff) for a good hardware (with a stable OS) and a stable ssh access to the server. Without this I believe that I gave up on the second day. (And for those who will say this is a kind of toadyism, try to set up a Plone site remote on a win server :-) ) Regards Marko
