Re: html texinfo install?

2004-02-17 Thread Schleicher Ralph (LLI)
Bruce Korb writes: > Karl Berry wrote: > > > 2. Please make available enable/disable macros for each output type: > > info, html, xml, ps, ... > > > > I agree we could support all the formats (currently: info html xml > > docbook ps pdf plaintext) uniformly, > > Good. I would pref

Re: html texinfo install?

2004-02-17 Thread Alexandre Duret-Lutz
[Eric I don't think you really meant to conceal this from Karl and Patrice, so I've added the Cc: back. Please be careful not to drop it.] >>> "Eric" == Eric Siegerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Eric> On Tue, Feb 17, 2004 at 12:19:05PM -0800, Bruce Korb wrote: [...] >> Yeah! That's the idea!

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Re: html texinfo install?

2004-02-17 Thread Eric Siegerman
On Tue, Feb 17, 2004 at 05:02:45PM -0500, Karl Berry wrote: > Couldn't the developer specify the minimum version of Texinfo which is > required in order to handle the docs? I'd like to see this. Every time I've tried to feed a .info file to a too-old texinfo, I've gotten some random err

Re: html texinfo install?

2004-02-17 Thread Eric Siegerman
On Tue, Feb 17, 2004 at 05:02:45PM -0500, Karl Berry wrote: > If, as in Bruce's proposal, they explicitly say "I want HTML", when > there's no HTML in the distribution, that's one thing. Making it happen > when they say "configure && make install", quite another. BTW, this is another case like co

Re: html texinfo install?

2004-02-17 Thread Eric Siegerman
On Tue, Feb 17, 2004 at 12:19:05PM -0800, Bruce Korb wrote: > Karl Berry wrote: > > > 1. Please shorten to "html" (as is done for "ps") > > > > I'm not sure. By Bob's argument, `html' could be useful to stand for > > any sort of HTML generation, if there is non-Texinfo documentation involve

Re: html texinfo install?

2004-02-17 Thread Karl Berry
Couldn't the developer specify the minimum version of Texinfo which is required in order to handle the docs? In practice, no one has time for that. As you say, they therefore could specify what they use (the latest, probably), and then older versions will fail (when they shouldn't, prob

Re: automake + others being run everytime something changes

2004-02-17 Thread Nigel Kukard
Thanks man, make distcheck dies with because of permissions or something. but if i do a make dist, then untargz it, configure it and make ... PERFECT! thanks again -Nigel On Tue, Feb 17, 2004 at 03:05:55PM -0600, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: > On Tue, 17 Feb 2004, Nigel Kukard wrote: > > > So if i ta

Re: html texinfo install?

2004-02-17 Thread Karl Berry
Doesn't pretty much every distribution use /usr/share/doc for this and other package documentation at this point? Sure, many distributions do this, on a per-package per-version basis as far as I know. /usr/share/doc/emacs-21.2, etc. The distribution makers do it all themselves, it's no

Re: html texinfo install?

2004-02-17 Thread Bruce Korb
Karl Berry wrote: > 1. Please shorten to "html" (as is done for "ps") > > I'm not sure. By Bob's argument, `html' could be useful to stand for > any sort of HTML generation, if there is non-Texinfo documentation involved. Yeah! That's the idea! Type in, ``make html'' and any html-making

Re: html texinfo install?

2004-02-17 Thread Russ Allbery
Karl Berry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > In order to make this most useful for people to browse manuals locally > (with file://localhost), it seems it might finally be time to propose a > standard directory for HTML output from Texinfo manuals. > The obvious directory would be $(datadir)/html by

Re: html texinfo install?

2004-02-17 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Tue, 17 Feb 2004, Karl Berry wrote: > > I can't imagine any method for autoconf to test for a "good enough" > Texinfo, since there's no way to specify exactly which Texinfo features > are (a) used in the source docs, or (b) implemented in the available > Texinfo. Couldn't the developer specify

Re: html texinfo install?

2004-02-17 Thread Karl Berry
If a format is included in the distribution, it is enabled by default. If a format is not included, then it is disabled by default. If someone enables a format that was not distributed, then they are claiming that they have some development tools that are up to the task of regenera

Re: html texinfo install?

2004-02-17 Thread Bruce Korb
Karl Berry wrote: > > We seem to be operating from different starting places. Always true ;-), but I also understood your intent > Having configure options such as --enable-doc-html is fine, if for some > reason installers want to (re)generate the files. Maybe I'm overloading the meaning of tha

Re: html texinfo install?

2004-02-17 Thread Karl Berry
We seem to be operating from different starting places. What I'm concerned about is the standard method for installing GNU packages: if a user downloads and unpacks foo-1.2.tar.gz, and types "./configure && make install", they should not need to have any version of Texinfo (or Bison or Flex or ...

Re: html texinfo install?

2004-02-17 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Tue, 17 Feb 2004, Bruce Korb wrote: > Bob Friesenhahn wrote: > > > I am against having separate install targets because GNU makefiles > > normally install everything by default and that is what users should > > expect. Installing everything is not a problem for distribution > > maintainers sin

Re: html texinfo install?

2004-02-17 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Tue, 17 Feb 2004, Karl Berry wrote: > I am against having separate install targets because GNU makefiles > normally install everything by default and that is what users should > > No, they don't currently install any Texinfo output format except Info. > And I don't see any particular re

Re: html texinfo install?

2004-02-17 Thread Karl Berry
Seems fine to me. Ok, good. Thanks for the feedback. If no objections surface, that's what I'll propose to rms. I am against having separate install targets because GNU makefiles normally install everything by default and that is what users should No, they don't currently install a

Re: html texinfo install?

2004-02-17 Thread Bruce Korb
Bob Friesenhahn wrote: > I am against having separate install targets because GNU makefiles > normally install everything by default and that is what users should > expect. Installing everything is not a problem for distribution > maintainers since they decide which files to package using their >

Re: html texinfo install?

2004-02-17 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Tue, 17 Feb 2004, Karl Berry wrote: > > The obvious directory would be $(datadir)/html by analogy with > $(datadir)/info, but it seems a bit arrogant to use such a generic name > for something which only relates to Texinfo manuals. Maybe texinfo/html > -- then we could have texinfo/xml/ and tex

Re: html texinfo install?

2004-02-17 Thread Bruce Korb
Karl Berry wrote: > > Hi folks, > The obvious directory would be $(datadir)/html by analogy with > $(datadir)/info, but it seems a bit arrogant to use such a generic name Not arrogant so much as conflicting with where folks might want to stash their own stuff. > for something which only relates

html texinfo install?

2004-02-17 Thread Karl Berry
Hi folks, Patrice Dumas and I have been working out a plan to make cross-manual xrefs work in any Texinfo HTML output, so texi2html and makeinfo can work together. In order to make this most useful for people to browse manuals locally (with file://localhost), it seems it might finally be time to

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