Re: _AM_FILESYSTEM_TIMESTAMP_RESOLUTION incorrect result (was Re: make check(s) pre-release problems)

2023-06-30 Thread Karl Berry
Hi Zack, Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2022 11:35:41 -0400 From: Zack Weinberg [...] the filesystem timestamp resolution was incorrectly detected: Your analysis sounds plausible to me, but it's not obvious to me how best to fix it. ls --full-time or stat may not be available. Maybe just

Re: make check(s) pre-release problems

2022-10-11 Thread Karl Berry
I actually wonder if your sudden "parallelism" failure could be somehow linked to an update of bash, similar to mine ? Good idea, but my bash hasn't changed ... I don't doubt there would be plenty more failures with the new SHLVL change (any such change seems like a terrible idea, but oh

Re: make check(s) pre-release problems

2022-10-11 Thread Frederic Berat
Hello, I don't know if that will help, or if that is completely unrelated, but I'm currently stumbling into a weird issue while working on a new package release for autoconf on Fedora: about 200 tests are now failing, all related to aclocal checks. My current investigation shows that it would be

Re: make check(s) pre-release problems

2022-10-11 Thread Zack Weinberg
Please don't top-post on this mailing list. On Tue, Oct 11, 2022, at 12:15 PM, Frederic Berat wrote: > On Fri, Oct 7, 2022 at 6:11 PM Zack Weinberg wrote: >> On Thu, Oct 6, 2022, at 4:25 PM, Karl Berry wrote: No errors on RHEL7+autoconf2.71 >>> >>> Puzzling. Can you easily try RHEL8 or one

_AM_FILESYSTEM_TIMESTAMP_RESOLUTION incorrect result (was Re: make check(s) pre-release problems)

2022-10-07 Thread Zack Weinberg
On Thu, Oct 6, 2022, at 4:19 PM, Zack Weinberg wrote: > On Thu, Oct 6, 2022, at 1:04 PM, Zack Weinberg wrote: >> On 2022-10-04 6:58 PM, Karl Berry wrote: >>> Perhaps easier to debug: there are two targets to be run before making a >>> release, check-no-trailing-backslash-in-recipes and

Re: make check(s) pre-release problems

2022-10-07 Thread Zack Weinberg
On Thu, Oct 6, 2022, at 4:25 PM, Karl Berry wrote: > No errors on RHEL7+autoconf2.71 > > Puzzling. Can you easily try RHEL8 or one of its derivatives? > It surprises me that that is the culprit, but it seems possible. Unfortunately, no. CMU is mostly an Ubuntu shop these days. It's only dumb

Re: make check(s) pre-release problems

2022-10-07 Thread Jim Meyering
On Thu, Oct 6, 2022 at 1:28 PM Karl Berry wrote: > > No errors on RHEL7+autoconf2.71 > > Puzzling. Can you easily try RHEL8 or one of its derivatives? > It surprises me that that is the culprit, but it seems possible. > > I'm using autoconf-2.71, make-4.3, etc., compiled from source, but am >

Re: make check(s) pre-release problems

2022-10-06 Thread Karl Berry
No errors on RHEL7+autoconf2.71 Puzzling. Can you easily try RHEL8 or one of its derivatives? It surprises me that that is the culprit, but it seems possible. I'm using autoconf-2.71, make-4.3, etc., compiled from source, but am using the OS-provided coreutils. I think I'll try compiling

Re: make check(s) pre-release problems

2022-10-06 Thread Zack Weinberg
On Thu, Oct 6, 2022, at 1:04 PM, Zack Weinberg wrote: > On 2022-10-04 6:58 PM, Karl Berry wrote: >> Perhaps easier to debug: there are two targets to be run before making a >> release, check-no-trailing-backslash-in-recipes and check-cc-no-c-o, >> to try to ensure no reversion wrt these features.

Re: make check(s) pre-release problems

2022-10-06 Thread Zack Weinberg
On 2022-10-04 6:58 PM, Karl Berry wrote: With Zack's latest Python fixes, I was hoping to move towards an Automake release, but I find myself stymied by apparently random and unreproducible test failures. I haven't exhausted every conceivable avenue yet, but I thought I would write in hopes that

Re: make check(s) pre-release problems

2022-10-06 Thread Sam James
> On 4 Oct 2022, at 23:58, Karl Berry wrote: > > With Zack's latest Python fixes, I was hoping to move towards an > Automake release, but I find myself stymied by apparently random and > unreproducible test failures. I haven't exhausted every conceivable > avenue yet, but I thought I would

Re: make check(s) pre-release problems

2022-10-06 Thread Paul Smith
On Wed, 2022-10-05 at 15:24 -0600, Karl Berry wrote: > What troubles me most is that there's no obvious way to debug any > test failure involving parallelism, since they go away with serial > execution. Any ideas about how to determine what is going wrong in > the parallel make?  Any way to make

Re: make check(s) pre-release problems

2022-10-06 Thread Jan Engelhardt
On Wednesday 2022-10-05 23:24, Karl Berry wrote: > >What troubles me most is that there's no obvious way to debug any test >failure involving parallelism, since they go away with serial execution. >Any ideas about how to determine what is going wrong in the parallel >make? Any way to make

Re: make check(s) pre-release problems

2022-10-05 Thread Karl Berry
What version of GNU make are you using? I've been using make 4.3 since its release in 2020. No changes, no prereleases. I'm afraid the problem, whatever it is, is not that simple :(. What troubles me most is that there's no obvious way to debug any test failure involving parallelism, since

Re: make check(s) pre-release problems

2022-10-05 Thread Paul Smith
On Wed, 2022-10-05 at 05:27 +0200, Jan Engelhardt wrote: > > So what the heck?[...] >These always worked before. But now, Jim > > gets hundreds of failures with the first > > Make was in the news recently, maybe that's the component to > switch out for an earlier version? > > 7ad2593b Support

Re: make check(s) pre-release problems

2022-10-04 Thread Jan Engelhardt
On Wednesday 2022-10-05 00:58, Karl Berry wrote: > >Nothing has changed in the tests. Nothing has changed in the automake >infrastructure. Everything worked for me a few weeks ago. Furthermore, >Jim ran make check with much more parallelism than my machine can >muster, and everything succeeded

make check(s) pre-release problems

2022-10-04 Thread Karl Berry
With Zack's latest Python fixes, I was hoping to move towards an Automake release, but I find myself stymied by apparently random and unreproducible test failures. I haven't exhausted every conceivable avenue yet, but I thought I would write in hopes that others (Zack, past Automake developers,