On Tue, 2010-05-04 at 23:06 -0500, Ralph Green wrote:
> On 5/4/10, Shane Fagan wrote:
> So my idea is that the
> > mouse cursor displays the icon of the app (for a few seconds) that needs
> > attention if its not focused.
>
> Howdy,
> For the most part, I'd say it is worth trying to see how it
Theres a possibility that it could be done in a beneficial way, but
honestly, I can't imagine anything more intrusive then an inconsistent
cursor. it would drive me nuts.
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 4:22 PM, Shane Fagan wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> Since we are looking to innovate for 10.10 how about somethi
On 5/3/10, Sense Hofstede wrote:
> In all mock-ups I've added the master volume slider to the bottom of
> the indicator menu, but it might be better to move it to the top to
> make the most-often used action the easiest to reach.
Howdy,
Yes, please leave the master volume at the top.
In the m
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 11:38 PM, Mark Shuttleworth wrote:
> On 03/05/10 20:41, Diego Moya wrote:
> > So my four dimensions for cloud storage are these:
> > - Location: Connected vs Disconnected.
> > - Speed: Fast vs Slow medium.
> > - Persistence: Saved vs Unsaved.
> > - Sharing: Published vs Pri
On 5/4/10, Shane Fagan wrote:
So my idea is that the
> mouse cursor displays the icon of the app (for a few seconds) that needs
> attention if its not focused.
Howdy,
For the most part, I'd say it is worth trying to see how it is to
use it. The biggest problem I can see is that if I am using
On 4/27/10, Martin Owens wrote:
> A few of my community circles react to Design Team news with a *sigh*
> and "Oh god what have they done now". The teams reputation is low and
> it's over shadowing the really great work that's going on. How can I
Howdy,
The team has done a lot of good work, yet
I insist on remembering our problems here, they were stated clearly before, but
this thread needs it's own project wiki..
*Receiving calls..
..without the need to do anything but simply "pick up the phone".
*reliably driving all the necessary hardware in (video) telephony mode
*a way to pause stu
On 4 May 2010 17:18, Jan-Christoph Borchardt wrote:
> On 4 May 2010 20:20, Diego Moya wrote:
>> I preferred the old way where
>> you used a single precise click to reduce a deafening sound, instead
>> of having to wheel down during a couple seconds to achieve an
>> acceptable level. This critical
I usually move my cursor completely out of view when I'm not using it. I've
definitely seen my roommate, brother, and mom all do the same. I don't think
the cursor is a good place to be trying to convey information unless it's
actively being used such as hand over links, resize handle, etc.
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2010/5/4 Scott E. Armitage
> Maybe this is outside the scope of the discussion, but with respect to
> synchronous streams, I can think of many times where I am browsing websites
> and opening new tabs as I'm e.g. reading an article when all of a sudden
> something, somewhere, starts playing audio
2010/5/4 Alex Launi
> These were certainly helpful. I think you've nailed a lot of the sound
> related use cases.
> I think the take home message of this is that there are two distinct types
> of sound streams. I'm going to use the analogy we've been using in
> notifications- Synchronous and Asyn
I think that relying on mouse cursors as notifications is a scary idea. With
the advent of new input methods (and old ones becoming more popular) such as
touch-screens, the role of the mouse cursor does not have a 100% rock-solid
future. Why put the effort into something that may not be there five
On 5 May 2010 01:22, Shane Fagan wrote:
> What im thinking is that if something is going on in the background that
> may not need a notification but a user may want to go to like an app
> opening or just that the app needs attention. So my idea is that the
> mouse cursor displays the icon of the a
oops, didn't mean to sent that just yet (alex), sry... but
Basically: Voice chat, and notifications should just work! Incoming
communication.
For these instances background volume is automatically lowered.
For other use cases and fine tuning a easy to get-to mixer solves the job.
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Hey all,
Since we are looking to innovate for 10.10 how about something as
fundamental as the mouse cursor. Ok at the moment we have very simple
and old school but maybe we can do some indications with the mouse
cursor, im doing something, you can type here...etc.
What im thinking is that if som
2010/5/4 Martín Soto
> Hello everyone:
>
> I just tried to collect some use cases (user stories) based on our recent
> discussion about volume control. Here they are:
>
> * Mary often listens to music from the computer in her room, while
> she's chatting with friends and browsing the web. She n
On Tue, 2010-05-04 at 23:10 +0100, Mark Shuttleworth wrote:
> On 04/05/10 06:30, Luke Morton wrote:
> > Ambiance has a 1px border on the left and right--I don't think that's
> > enough to negate the case for a resize grip. As to your example, I
> > find resizing the terminal to be particularly frus
On 4 May 2010 20:20, Diego Moya wrote:
> I preferred the old way where
> you used a single precise click to reduce a deafening sound, instead
> of having to wheel down during a couple seconds to achieve an
> acceptable level. This critical case is not well supported by the
> current volume control
On 04/05/10 09:03, Sam Spilsbury wrote:
> On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Benjamin Humphrey
> wrote:
>
>> Of course the simple fix is to just add in a few pixels of virtual,
>> invisible grab space around the corner of the window.
>>
> That's going to mess with user's expectations when th
On 04/05/10 06:30, Luke Morton wrote:
> Ambiance has a 1px border on the left and right--I don't think that's
> enough to negate the case for a resize grip. As to your example, I
> find resizing the terminal to be particularly frustrating.
Yes, this is a real problem in Ambiance and Radiance. I'd
Those sound like solid use cases.
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On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 10:54 PM, Alex Launi wrote:
> Before this discussion continues, it's essential that we define the problem
> we are trying to solve..--
>
I agree with you. I just sent a message to the list, containing a set of use
cases for volume control. IMO, the problem is that we are n
I think that was a joke, a reference to an Internet meme.
On May 4, 2010, at 2:14 PM, Alex Launi wrote:
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 5:03 PM, David Hamm wrote:
> Problem: All your sound are belong to the sound icon.
Wait what? That barely even means anything at all.
Do you mean that the problem is
How complex do we need to make this? Until there's a bit more specs on
the windicators, I'm quickly becoming of the opinion that to add them
there would be unnecessary clutter for all but media apps that already
have internal volume. The panel sound app should be one volume slider
by default, and a
Hello everyone:
I just tried to collect some use cases (user stories) based on our recent
discussion about volume control. Here they are:
* Mary often listens to music from the computer in her room, while
she's chatting with friends and browsing the web. She needs
a quick way to set the volum
On Tue, 2010-05-04 at 21:38 +0100, Mark Shuttleworth wrote:
> On 03/05/10 20:41, Diego Moya wrote:
> > So my four dimensions for cloud storage are these:
> > - Location: Connected vs Disconnected.
> > - Speed: Fast vs Slow medium.
> > - Persistence: Saved vs Unsaved.
> > - Sharing: Published vs Pri
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 5:21 PM, David Hamm wrote:
> http://design.canonical.com/2010/04/notification-area/
> didn't say there was anything wrong with what we got, but it wouldn't
> hurt to read the above link I posted earlier explaining the whole
> problem with the system-icons.
>
I'm familiar w
http://design.canonical.com/2010/04/notification-area/
didn't say there was anything wrong with what we got, but it wouldn't
hurt to read the above link I posted earlier explaining the whole
problem with the system-icons.
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On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 5:03 PM, David Hamm wrote:
> Problem: All your sound are belong to the sound icon.
Wait what? That barely even means anything at all.
Do you mean that the problem is that only a master volume slider is quickly
available? That's an observation; what's the *problem?* All of
Problem: All your sound are belong to the sound icon.
Redesign is inevitable, we are arguing for the best outcome to solve
this (very general) problem.
Vote: continue this in irc. probably won't happen tho :p
Individual Problems Associated with Sound Menu Redesign:
How will music applications dis
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 4:45 PM, David Hamm wrote:
> http://design.canonical.com/2010/04/notification-area/
> :} I there isn't a Sound Menu UI blueprint yet afaik.
>
> "I almost never have to adjust application volumes"
> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/24627 say yes to the Unicorn!
>
So is the
"The Shut Down (etc.) menu is in the top-right. I understand it was put
there by analogy with the windows' close buttons. Should it now be in
the top-left?"
lol, oh how right you are.
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:} I there isn't a Sound Menu UI blueprint yet afaik.
"I almost never have to adjust application volumes"
http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/24627 say yes to the Unicorn!
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On 03/05/10 20:41, Diego Moya wrote:
> So my four dimensions for cloud storage are these:
> - Location: Connected vs Disconnected.
> - Speed: Fast vs Slow medium.
> - Persistence: Saved vs Unsaved.
> - Sharing: Published vs Private.
>
I think this is good analysis and an interesting idea.
+1 t
On 4 May 2010 05:48, Tyler Brainerd wrote:
> Actually I believe Mark gave some pretty clear reasons why. They want the
> upper right to have a particular analogy, just like they want the upper
> left. Right is for notifications, volume, brightness, and similar controls,
> the left is for menus, op
Can someone point me to a wiki page or a blueprint about the sound
indicator? I've been following this discussion since its inception, but I
can't find a *problem definition*. What exactly is the problem we are trying
to address with this sound indicator?
"We need a better UI to control applicatio
add it http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/24627 :D lot of good ideas
but hard to sort through them all.
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 12:49 PM, Diego Moya wrote:
> I've created a mockup for a simple version of the panel with
> per-application settings.
>
> Instead of volume sliders for each application,
I've created a mockup for a simple version of the panel with
per-application settings.
Instead of volume sliders for each application, a tri-state button
(muted, low, high) can be used to give priority to the focused
application.
Usually only one application would have high volume, clicking High
2010/5/4 Martín Soto
> 2010/5/4 Frederik Nnaji
>
>> a buttoned interface with columns or rows for the respective
>> apps..with little 3 Bit digital volume meters (2 for stereo/surround, 1 for
>> mono) attached to each app icon
>>
>
> How many applications would you expect to find in practice on
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 20:29, Diego Moya wrote:
> > Left-click, hold, move cursor down a couple of millimeters, release.
> > Muted.
>
> So, does it mean that a direct drag does control the slider?
>
hahaaah, you are misunderstanding each other ;)
alex is referring to the lucid volume indicator w
No, it's identical to clicking "mute all" in two clicks, in one.
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On 4 May 2010 13:24, Alex Launi wrote:
> On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Diego Moya wrote:
>>
>> Yes I know, and it's not enough for me. I preferred the old way where
>> you used a single precise click to reduce a deafening sound, instead
>> of having to wheel down during a couple seconds to achie
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Diego Moya wrote:
> Yes I know, and it's not enough for me. I preferred the old way where
> you used a single precise click to reduce a deafening sound, instead
> of having to wheel down during a couple seconds to achieve an
> acceptable level. This critical case i
On 4 May 2010 12:30, Mario Vukelic wrote:
> On Mon, 2010-05-03 at 23:03 -0500, Diego Moya wrote:
>> And one feature I miss is having a volume slider always shown in the
>> panel. This was removed from the Gnome volume control for unknown
>> reasons, and was a convenient way to quickly set absolute
On Mon, 2010-05-03 at 23:03 -0500, Diego Moya wrote:
> And one feature I miss is having a volume slider always shown in the
> panel. This was removed from the Gnome volume control for unknown
> reasons, and was a convenient way to quickly set absolute volume with
> one click.
Did you notice that
On Wednesday 05,May,2010 12:48 AM, David Hamm wrote:
> I may have suggested getting rid of the system wide volume in the
> past, but only for the reason that most hardware already has a system
> wide volume- and for that reason alone. Linux however caters to such a
> broad environment it is a neces
I may have suggested getting rid of the system wide volume in the
past, but only for the reason that most hardware already has a system
wide volume- and for that reason alone. Linux however caters to such a
broad environment it is a necessity to keep this function.
Was following you up till this
"IMO, we should start by getting rid of the system-wide volume."
read that line again, now consider that all popular os' have this
function. Windows, osx, linux, android, iphone, etc. etc.
Think of how you record volume in a record studio. Do you go around
and adju
2010/5/4 Frederik Nnaji
> a) how about listing mute toggle and play/pause for relevant apps?
>
This may be useful, maybe more so than controlling volume.
> a buttoned interface with columns or rows for the respective
> apps..with little 3 Bit digital volume meters (2 for stereo/surround, 1 for
2010/5/3 Diego Moya
Norman's direct mapping would be the best model if each application
> had volume completely independent of each other. This isn't true
> though, as there is a system-wide volume control that changes all
> applications at once, thus making individual application volumes
> relat
2010/5/4 Martín Soto:
> 2010/5/3 Diego Moya:
> IMO, we should start by getting rid of the system-wide volume. It adds lots
> of complexity without providing any significant advantages.
It has one killer feature that can't be obtained with individual
application controls: dimming all sound from the
On 03/05/10 20:24, Sense Hofstede wrote:
> Without sacrificing usability, clarity and consistency I think that
> the windicators could also make a great place for add-ons.
>
That would be a good fit, yes.
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On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Benjamin Humphrey wrote:
> Of course the simple fix is to just add in a few pixels of virtual,
> invisible grab space around the corner of the window.
That's going to mess with user's expectations when they click on a
black space and start resizing a window instead
Of course the simple fix is to just add in a few pixels of virtual,
invisible grab space around the corner of the window.
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Benjamin Humphrey wrote:
> Meant to send this to everyone but ended up sending it to Alex only:
>
> Alex,
>
> Ha! The theme I use, and the new
Meant to send this to everyone but ended up sending it to Alex only:
Alex,
Ha! The theme I use, and the new default themes, certainly make it very hard
to resize windows. It appears there is only 1px x 1px grab area in Lucid.
There's a bug report somewhere that I was reading a few weeks ago...
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